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Would you take the deal?

No (please explain)
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17%
Yes (I would feel no resentment, this is 100% a gain overall and the King is really doing me a favor)
21
30%
Yes (I would feel little bit of resentment, I am gaining more than I'm losing so I won't feel TOO resentful, but its still a bit patronizing)
16
23%
Yes (I would feel moderate resentment, I am human and I cannot help it, this is exploitation)
6
9%
Yes (I would feel a lot of resentment, I 100% hate the fact that I have to do this, those smug royals, if I could I would get rid of them all)
6
9%
Other
8
12%
 
Total votes : 69

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Postby UniversalCommons » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:57 pm

Take the deal. Get cured. Sell off my assets and go somewhere else.

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:39 pm

Where do you come up with this shit?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:54 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Where do you come up with this shit?

It's probably some obscure hentai game.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:57 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Where do you come up with this shit?

It's probably some obscure hentai game.

Gross, but not implausible.
Fun fact: the total insect biomass is estimated to decrease by 2.5% each year. If left unresolved, this could have catastrophic effects on ecosystems around the world.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:59 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Where do you come up with this shit?

It's probably some obscure hentai game.


... where does hentai fit into this????
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:36 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's probably some obscure hentai game.


... where does hentai fit into this????

Failure to pretend he doesn't know.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:43 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
... where does hentai fit into this????

Failure to pretend he doesn't know.


There’s no hentai components.

These are wholesome thought experiments.

Would you take the king’s Offer in the op?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:48 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Failure to pretend he doesn't know.


There’s no hentai components.

These are wholesome thought experiments.

Would you take the king’s Offer in the op?

I'm still stuck on the wheelchair and medicine in Medieval Europe. Frankly, I should be burned as a witch.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:11 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
There’s no hentai components.

These are wholesome thought experiments.

Would you take the king’s Offer in the op?

I'm still stuck on the wheelchair and medicine in Medieval Europe. Frankly, I should be burned as a witch.


in-scenario you have no reason to suspect that you are the real Annie, as far as you know, the Witch Queen is dead and you are just a peasant woman without parents
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:15 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:I'm still stuck on the wheelchair and medicine in Medieval Europe. Frankly, I should be burned as a witch.


in-scenario you have no reason to suspect that you are the real Annie, as far as you know, the Witch Queen is dead and you are just a peasant woman without parents

You've failed to see the problem.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:17 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in-scenario you have no reason to suspect that you are the real Annie, as far as you know, the Witch Queen is dead and you are just a peasant woman without parents

You've failed to see the problem.


which is?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:17 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:You've failed to see the problem.


which is?

A wheelchair and medicine in Medieval Europe.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:19 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
which is?

A wheelchair and medicine in Medieval Europe.


technology and social policies are more advanced in this alternate historical timeline
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:21 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:A wheelchair and medicine in Medieval Europe.


technology and social policies are more advanced in this alternate historical timeline

Clearly not, if they’ve still got absolute monarchy.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:23 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:A wheelchair and medicine in Medieval Europe.


technology and social policies are more advanced in this alternate historical timeline

Nope. I don't accept it. Particularly, I don't accept your insistence upon putting us in a setting, and then immediately disregarding the consequences of the setting.

You routinely over-complicate your hypotheticals with details that actively thwart them, and then hand-wave away all reasonable criticism of your incompetence.

The worst part is: almost always these details are pointless. Including them added nothing of value.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:29 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
technology and social policies are more advanced in this alternate historical timeline

Nope. I don't accept it. Particularly, I don't accept your insistence upon putting us in a setting, and then immediately disregarding the consequences of the setting.

You routinely over-complicate your hypotheticals with details that actively thwart them, and then hand-wave away all reasonable criticism of your incompetence.

The worst part is: almost always these details are pointless. Including them added nothing of value.


why would you not work with the king?

why wouldn't you want to benefit yourself and your family (while serving the king)?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:30 pm

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
technology and social policies are more advanced in this alternate historical timeline

Clearly not, if they’ve still got absolute monarchy.


they believe in the divine right of kings and in the importance of bloodlines
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Postby Galloism » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:32 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
There’s no hentai components.

These are wholesome thought experiments.

Would you take the king’s Offer in the op?

I'm still stuck on the wheelchair and medicine in Medieval Europe. Frankly, I should be burned as a witch.

Have you ever considered not committing heresy?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:36 pm

Galloism wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:I'm still stuck on the wheelchair and medicine in Medieval Europe. Frankly, I should be burned as a witch.

Have you ever considered not committing heresy?

Fair.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:47 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:Clearly not, if they’ve still got absolute monarchy.


they believe in the divine right of kings and in the importance of bloodlines

Not very advanced social policy, then.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:14 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Nope. I don't accept it. Particularly, I don't accept your insistence upon putting us in a setting, and then immediately disregarding the consequences of the setting.

You routinely over-complicate your hypotheticals with details that actively thwart them, and then hand-wave away all reasonable criticism of your incompetence.

The worst part is: almost always these details are pointless. Including them added nothing of value.


1. why would you not work with the king?

2. why wouldn't you want to benefit yourself and your family (while serving the king)?

1. Because the King is a tyrant who wants me to prop up his autocracy.

2. Because there is more at stake than me, more than the frail remnants of this body: Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

And, with my last words, I shall tell the assembled masses:

Debout, les damnés de la terre
Debout, les forçats de la faim
La raison tonne en son cratère
C'est l'éruption de la fin
Du passé faisons table rase
Foule esclave, debout, debout
Le monde va changer de base
Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout
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Postby Kaystein » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:15 pm

That sounds like it'd be an interesting setting and plot for a book or movie.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:16 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
1. why would you not work with the king?

2. why wouldn't you want to benefit yourself and your family (while serving the king)?

1. Because the King is a tyrant who wants me to prop up his autocracy.

2. Because there is more at stake than me, more than the frail remnants of this body: Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

And, with my last words, I shall tell the assembled masses:

Debout, les damnés de la terre
Debout, les forçats de la faim
La raison tonne en son cratère
C'est l'éruption de la fin
Du passé faisons table rase
Foule esclave, debout, debout
Le monde va changer de base
Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout


what about your adoptive parents?

you would repay their kindness by endangering them?

have you not considered that you can perhaps do more for the people by having the ear of the nobles?
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:22 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:1. Because the King is a tyrant who wants me to prop up his autocracy.

2. Because there is more at stake than me, more than the frail remnants of this body: Liberté, égalité, fraternité!

And, with my last words, I shall tell the assembled masses:

Debout, les damnés de la terre
Debout, les forçats de la faim
La raison tonne en son cratère
C'est l'éruption de la fin
Du passé faisons table rase
Foule esclave, debout, debout
Le monde va changer de base
Nous ne sommes rien, soyons tout


what about your adoptive parents?

you would repay their kindness by endangering them?

have you not considered that you can perhaps do more for the people by having the ear of the nobles?

The king is an autocrat, who believes he has the "divine right" to rule others. History shows that Kings who believe in their autocratic right to rule are quick to chop off the heads of those who question them -- even their own councillors.

So, no. Once someone believes they have a "divine right", they are unlikely to be dissuaded from that position. And propping up an inherently corrupt system is something that -- taking into account my RL self (which you said I am meant to do) -- I cannot do. Also, if my adoptive family are anything like my real family, they wouldn't want me to.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:25 pm

The Free Joy State wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
what about your adoptive parents?

you would repay their kindness by endangering them?

have you not considered that you can perhaps do more for the people by having the ear of the nobles?

The king is an autocrat, who believes he has the "divine right" to rule others. History shows that Kings who believe in their autocratic right to rule are quick to chop off the heads of those who question them -- even their own councillors.

So, no. Once someone believes they have a "divine right", they cannot be reasoned with. And propping up an inherently corrupt system is something that -- taking into account my RL self (which you said I am meant to do) -- I cannot do. Also, if my adoptive family are anything like my real family, they wouldn't want me to.


Your adoptive family in this case is a well to do slightly pro monarchy family (hence why the King’s agent went to them and you with the offer)

In fact, they feel honored to be approached with this deal and see it as a chance to improve their commerce

They also see this as a big breakthrough for you; they hope the best for you
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