Fascist White Supremacist Rally in Portland Thwarted

[Chernoslavia]

I already think they're bad.

Why?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

his base is not enough to pull of another win

With that logic Trump shouldn’t have been elected in the first place, since he was given the same proverbial bullhorn and allowed to amplify his garbage ideas.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

The armed militias shouldn't even be there in the first place.

Wrong. They have a right to peaceably assemble without fear of some pseudo-communist cunts assaulting them.

An armed militia engaged in political extremism does not equal a peaceful march, especially as the Proud Boys and white supremacists are notorious for brutally beating anyone that happens to disagree with their views or openly oppose their wingnuttery.

[Chernoslavia]

Wrong. They have a right to peaceably assemble without fear of some pseudo-communist cunts assaulting them.

An armed militia engaged in political extremism does not equal a peaceful march, especially as the Proud Boys and white supremacists are notorious for brutally beating anyone that happens to disagree with their views or openly oppose their wingnuttery.

Yes it does, they didn't plan on hurting anyone. And you literally just described antifa.

[Vassenor]

An armed militia engaged in political extremism does not equal a peaceful march, especially as the Proud Boys and white supremacists are notorious for brutally beating anyone that happens to disagree with their views or openly oppose their wingnuttery.

Yes it does, they didn't plan on hurting anyone. And you literally just described antifa.

Remember, it's OK to attack someone with a hammer if you didn't plan on hurting them.

[Chernoslavia]

Yes it does, they didn't plan on hurting anyone. And you literally just described antifa.

Remember, it's OK to attack someone with a hammer if you didn't plan on hurting them.

Are you ever going to present an actual argument?

[Aurevbush]

"USA! USA! USA!" vs. "Nazi punks, eff off!"

Hmmmm...yep there's violence on many sides.

[Torrocca]

Your "accurate legal argument" is pure bullshit which can easily be seen just from watching the fucking videos, chief.

I watched the video and I'm telling you 'Respectable Law' misrepresented what happened in that video in order to smear Andy Ngo with hateful personal attacks, nothing more

And I watched the videos and I'm telling you that your deliberate misrepresentation of what the fuck happened to paint the deliberate attack on nearby bystanders as "collateral damage" is absolute bullshit.

[Vassenor]

Your "accurate legal argument" is pure bullshit which can easily be seen just from watching the fucking videos, chief.

I watched the video and I'm telling you 'Respectable Law' misrepresented what happened in that video in order to smear Andy Ngo with hateful personal attacks, nothing more

So what actually happened then?

[Liriena]

I wonder why far right militias insist on holding armed rallies in Portland, after facing violence from locals every single time in the past.

It's almost like they want to provoke the violence because it's good propaganda for them. They get to play the martyrs if they get hit, and play the badasses if they land a few of their own.

Or...or! And I'm just brain storming here....maybe people should not go around assaulting armed men no?

Both things can be true.

[Kaedijork]

I do love how the pro-fascists are just ignoring any valid point raised that’s over two sentences long.

[Aclion]

I wonder why far right militias insist on holding armed rallies in Portland, after facing violence from locals every single time in the past.

It's almost like they want to provoke the violence because it's good propaganda for them. They get to play the martyrs if they get hit, and play the badasses if they land a few of their own.

They don't even need to face the violence. By the time the Portland rally got violent they'd already left. They can get their PR win just by announcing that they're having a rally and getting antifa to show up.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

An armed militia engaged in political extremism does not equal a peaceful march, especially as the Proud Boys and white supremacists are notorious for brutally beating anyone that happens to disagree with their views or openly oppose their wingnuttery.

Yes it does, they didn't plan on hurting anyone. And you literally just described antifa.

"I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough." - Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys.
Try again. Also see here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/p ... .html?_r=0
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... proud-boys

[Torrocca]

Yes it does, they didn't plan on hurting anyone. And you literally just described antifa.

"I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough." - Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys.
Try again. Also see here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/p ... .html?_r=0
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... proud-boys

The Proud Boys and Co. literally bussed people in from all across the country to Portland looking for a fight, but somehow they had no actual plans to hurt anyone despite seeking out violence.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

"I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough." - Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys.
Try again. Also see here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/p ... .html?_r=0
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... proud-boys

The Proud Boys and Co. literally bussed people in from all across the country to Portland looking for a fight, but somehow they had no actual plans to hurt anyone despite seeking out violence.

Indubitably, they did not hurt anyone. /s

[Nova Cyberia]

"I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough." - Gavin McInnes, the founder of the Proud Boys.
Try again. Also see here:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/p ... .html?_r=0
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate ... proud-boys

The Proud Boys and Co. literally bussed people in from all across the country to Portland looking for a fight, but somehow they had no actual plans to hurt anyone despite seeking out violence.

It's funny when you realize that the Proud Boys were created in response to Antifa.

Almost like violence breeds violence or something. Hm...

[Cekoviu]

"USA! USA! USA!" vs. "Nazi punks, eff off!"

Hmmmm...yep there's violence on many sides.

No punk is gonna say "eff off," lol.

[Crysuko]

I do love how the pro-fascists are just ignoring any valid point raised that’s over two sentences long.

Because they're brainwashed.

at heart, they're intellectually dishonest, and will refuse to engage with people who can meet their hollow and fallacious arguments toe to toe.

[Katganistan]

I wonder why far right militias insist on holding armed rallies in Portland, after facing violence from locals every single time in the past.

It's almost like they want to provoke the violence because it's good propaganda for them. They get to play the martyrs if they get hit, and play the badasses if they land a few of their own.

Or...or! And I'm just brain storming here....maybe people should not go around assaulting armed men no?

Maybe armed men should not go where they know they're not wanted?
Maybe if they weren't armed, their opposite side wouldn't be armed too?

I mean if you've already brought weapons to a TALK, people think you don't want to talk, you want to hurt them.

Especially when your leaders encourage you to, you know, hurt people.

[Telconi]

Or...or! And I'm just brain storming here....maybe people should not go around assaulting armed men no?

Maybe armed men should not go where they know they're not wanted?
Maybe if they weren't armed, their opposite side wouldn't be armed too?

I mean if you've already brought weapons to a TALK, people think you don't want to talk, you want to hurt them.

Especially when your leaders encourage you to, you know, hurt people.

>People shouldn't go where they're not wanted.

I'm sorry, is this not America?

[Crysuko]

Maybe armed men should not go where they know they're not wanted?
Maybe if they weren't armed, their opposite side wouldn't be armed too?

I mean if you've already brought weapons to a TALK, people think you don't want to talk, you want to hurt them.

Especially when your leaders encourage you to, you know, hurt people.

>People shouldn't go where they're not wanted.

I'm sorry, is this not America?

the land that is becoming increasingly politically polarised and a few people in the wrong place can cause riots and street fights? why yes. yes it is.

[Katganistan]

Maybe armed men should not go where they know they're not wanted?
Maybe if they weren't armed, their opposite side wouldn't be armed too?

I mean if you've already brought weapons to a TALK, people think you don't want to talk, you want to hurt them.

Especially when your leaders encourage you to, you know, hurt people.

>People shouldn't go where they're not wanted.

I'm sorry, is this not America?

Yes, it's America, but go spoiling for a fight and you WILL find it.
And it "being America" does not mean saddling up with hundreds of people from outside an area to go to an area to start shit.

[Purgatio]

I watched the video and I'm telling you 'Respectable Law' misrepresented what happened in that video in order to smear Andy Ngo with hateful personal attacks, nothing more

So what actually happened then?

I already explained like ten times. The activists on the bus were attacked, unprovoked, by ANTIFA vandals tossing rocks at them without first provocation, the activists disembarked and, fearing a continuing attack from the ANTIFA vandals, swung their hammers in the air to protect their bodily integrity, and passers-by were accidentally struck, the fault for that lies on the persons who made the unprovoked attack in the first place, ANTIFA.

Hence, Andy Ngo did not lie when he characterised the activists on the bus as acting in legitimate self-defence, and ANTIFA as the unprovoked aggressors.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Or...or! And I'm just brain storming here....maybe people should not go around assaulting armed men no?

Maybe armed men should not go where they know they're not wanted?
Maybe if they weren't armed, their opposite side wouldn't be armed too?

I mean if you've already brought weapons to a TALK, people think you don't want to talk, you want to hurt them.

Especially when your leaders encourage you to, you know, hurt people.

Bit of an odd assumption to assume rallies are talks lol

[Purgatio]

I watched the video and I'm telling you 'Respectable Law' misrepresented what happened in that video in order to smear Andy Ngo with hateful personal attacks, nothing more

And I watched the videos and I'm telling you that your deliberate misrepresentation of what the fuck happened to paint the deliberate attack on nearby bystanders as "collateral damage" is absolute bullshit.

Your misunderstandings of the law aren't my issue. I've already explained to you how proportionate self-defense works and that accidentally hitting passers-by or others in the vicinity in the course of you defending yourself against an unprovoked, unlawful attack does not nullify the fact that you are acting in lawful self-defence, especially when you are in a crowded area filled with many other persons around you and the aggressors.

What I don't understand is why you are so obsessed with nitpicking what the bus-goers did in the heat of the moment, but you don't see to have any condemnation for the ANTIFA thugs who started the whole mess in the first place by throwing rocks at peaceful individuals without provocation. Surely that's the appropriate target for condemnation, right? Yet you give them a free pass and choose to nitpick the response of the victims of the rock attack and whether they unnecessarily undangered third parties. Why is that? Maybe because you like ANTIFA's political views but disagree with the political views of the bus-goers, so you're willing to countenance a hypocritical double standard?