Kubra wrote:And here's the problem.Communal concils wrote:
1. I think it would be best if companies leave the nation. I have no reason as a socialist to really benefit the hoarders of capital.
2. However, waiting to solve problems is not really something we should embrace. what matter is now. There will be poverty and societal ills regardless of immigration policy, but that does not mean that it doesn't matter. Flooding a nation with proletarians would force all of them into being urban lumpens that live in slums are similar situations. it would also cause antagonisms with different demographics. So, I feel like such a thing would speed up the rise of fascism and it would intersect with policies like gentrification.
When I said "abolish the wage system" I said so tongue-in-cheek. I mean, that really is my preferred solution, honest to god, but y'know when we use revolution as a deus ex machina we really do trivialise the whole thing.
As it stands, they're gonna live an immiserated existence, at here or abroad, and *so will we*. Net negative, man.
As always, Saint Marx guides my hand. Most of what I have said has its origins in Marx discussing the very phenomena we are, in relation to Irish labour being sent en masse to England for more or less the same reasons, merely updating for the fact that eventually the irish just become normal ol' proles, indistinguishable from the lot.
Immigration scares come and go, man. They do so for, well, pretty much the same reasons. Like nearly all the time.
1. Yes, thing are still bad. However, I find it important to secure the situation of my nation. If people are force to come over here, they would be force to live in slums and be used as cheap labor. I see no reason to bring more people into another capitalist nation.
2. It is possible that Marx was wrong. I honestly think that orthodox Marxism is dead, and Marxism is only relevant through significant revisions of theory.
3. Yes that is true. But your simply ignoring the major impacts of such a thing. disease, overcrowding, and crime would simply shift into the new areas, and fascism can grow from such conditions. this has little to do with a "irrational" fear, but has to do with the Geo-political. implications and crises of the modern world.