Battle for the Pink House(An Argentine Election Thread)

[Liriena]

One of the most fascinating aspects of the post-primaries Macri campaign has been the circulation of videos from Argentinians living abroad or directed at Argentinians living abroad. Argentinians living in Miami trying to lecture Argentinians living in Argentina still on why they should "hold on", bite the bullet and vote for Macri again to prevent our country from turning into another vuvuzela.

And are they going to come back if Macri wins a second term? Or are the going to stay out as Macri further damages the economy?

Nope.

Speaking of Macri and the economy, Macri finally did the one thing that he used to be passionately against, something he used as a talking point against Kirchnerism for a loooooong time: he instituted currency controls again, to mitigate all the capital flight.

And speaking of capital flight, turns out that 8 out of every 10 dollars we got from the IMF have since vanished from our formal economy. In other words, Macri is leaving us with over $44 billion of debt and we didn't even get a lousy shirt for it.

[Nakena]

And are they going to come back if Macri wins a second term? Or are the going to stay out as Macri further damages the economy?

Nope.

Speaking of Macri and the economy, Macri finally did the one thing that he used to be passionately against, something he used as a talking point against Kirchnerism for a loooooong time: he instituted currency controls again, to mitigate all the capital flight.

And speaking of capital flight, turns out that 8 out of every 10 dollars we got from the IMF have since vanished from our formal economy. In other words, Macri is leaving us with over $44 billion of debt and we didn't even get a lousy shirt for it.

The last thing is quite something amount of ebin fail. The first one is a sign of desparation. Those kind of measures usually come when shit is going down. gg Macri.

[Phoenicaea]

currency limits is not the dread of classical liberalism, it may be justified. paper-currency is.

[Liriena]

Some interesting numbers picked up by El Destape.

Clivajes' polling gives Fernández a 20 point lead on Macri. If even close to accurate, these numbers would mean that there won't be a runoff. Fernández will win the presidency outright in October. And the Trotskyist Del Caño would remain in fourth place, above the right-wing libertarian Espert and the right-wing authoritarian Gómez Centurión.

The numbers make sense if you take a look at Fernández's and Macri's respective approval ratings: Fernández has 56% approval, as opposed to Macri's 20%.

[Phoenicaea]

^close to italy, peron kirchner regime seems as berlusconi. people can t climb the well.

[Shrillland]

In the latest news:

The major candidates are looking for ways to increase the amount of US dollars in Argentina's treasury as a way of trying to tame inflation: https://www.clarin.com/economia/dolar-manotazos-gobierno-vision-economista-alberto-f-_0_AOqwYu_.html

Pichetto appeared on a radio show this morning and discussed everything from how he feels about Fernandez to his dismay that the church hasn't done more to help stave off violent crimes in larger cities to his hope for social security reform and the new Food Emergency Law: https://www.clarin.com/politica/miguel-angel-pichetto-duro-uia-falto-cantar-marcha-peronista-_0_j4XzvuQ.html

[Risottia]

Given the situation, I would support making Argentina a colony of the Falkland Islands.

[Opelia]

Given the situation, I would support making Argentina a colony of the Falkland Islands.

Given the situation, it would be better that the United Kingdom, US and Israel start taking the UN seriously and for the United Kingdom to return the islands to Argentina.

[Novus America]

Given the situation, I would support making Argentina a colony of the Falkland Islands.

Given the situation, it would be better that the United Kingdom, US and Israel start taking the UN seriously and for the United Kingdom to return the islands to Argentina.

You cannot return what they never had.

[Auze]

Given the situation, I would support making Argentina a colony of the Falkland Islands.

Given the situation, it would be better that the United Kingdom, US and Israel start taking the UN seriously and for the United Kingdom to return the islands to Argentina.

Argentina "controlled" the falklands for a couple of years and failed to colonize it. The UK has controlled them for almost 200 years and they have been inhabited most of that time.

[The Alma Mater]

Given the situation, I would support making Argentina a colony of the Falkland Islands.

Given the situation, it would be better that the United Kingdom, US and Israel start taking the UN seriously and for the United Kingdom to return the islands to Argentina.

You mean Spain, right ? Argentina has exactly 0 rights to it. Uruguay can make some small claim; but they do not want it.

[Liriena]

Macri's running mate decided to threaten us all with a good time today, claiming that, in the event of a Fernández victory, people who own more than one apartment would be forced to "surrender it to the revolution".

Which, I gotta say, is an outstanding move. Trying to convince our ailing middle class to vote for the neolibs whose incompetence left many of them unemployed and whose austerity left them on the brink of poverty... because the obstinately lukewarm, vaguely progressive Fernández is gonna do a Marxism-Leninism and abolish landlords?

God, I wish I lived in these people's imaginary world.

[Shrillland]

Macri's running mate decided to threaten us all with a good time today, claiming that, in the event of a Fernández victory, people who own more than one apartment would be forced to "surrender it to the revolution".

Which, I gotta say, is an outstanding move. Trying to convince our ailing middle class to vote for the neolibs whose incompetence left many of them unemployed and whose austerity left them on the brink of poverty... because the obstinately lukewarm, vaguely progressive Fernández is gonna do a Marxism-Leninism and abolish landlords?

God, I wish I lived in these people's imaginary world.

Right? Somehow, I don't think land/property reform is high on Fernandez's list of priorities.

[Liriena]

Macri's running mate decided to threaten us all with a good time today, claiming that, in the event of a Fernández victory, people who own more than one apartment would be forced to "surrender it to the revolution".

Which, I gotta say, is an outstanding move. Trying to convince our ailing middle class to vote for the neolibs whose incompetence left many of them unemployed and whose austerity left them on the brink of poverty... because the obstinately lukewarm, vaguely progressive Fernández is gonna do a Marxism-Leninism and abolish landlords?

God, I wish I lived in these people's imaginary world.

Right? Somehow, I don't think land/property reform is high on Fernandez's list of priorities.

I mean, I absolutely wish that Fernández did campaign on land/property reform because that stuff is royally messed up in these parts these days. In urban areas, you have real estate speculation running wild and making home ownership just flat out impossible for most people. And in rural areas, land ownership is very oligopolistic and largely foreign.

A lot of good could be done if we had a government that actually wanted to break apart these insane oligopolies and maybe even pull a New Zealand by banning non-residents from acquiring property.

But yeah, this stuff is nowhere near Fernández's list of priorities. It's not even in his coalition's platform. Pichetto's fear-mongering most likely stems from one progressive leader, Grabois, actually proposing an agricultural reform. Grabois is aligned with Fernández's coalition, but he's not one of those who draft Fernández's policies.

[Liriena]

I mean, I absolutely wish that Fernández did campaign on land/property reform because that stuff is royally messed up in these parts these days. In urban areas, you have real estate speculation running wild and making home ownership just flat out impossible for most people. And in rural areas, land ownership is very oligopolistic and largely foreign.

A lot of good could be done if we had a government that actually wanted to break apart these insane oligopolies and maybe even pull a New Zealand by banning non-residents from acquiring property.

But yeah, this stuff is nowhere near Fernández's list of priorities. It's not even in his coalition's platform. Pichetto's fear-mongering most likely stems from one progressive leader, Grabois, actually proposing an agricultural reform. Grabois is aligned with Fernández's coalition, but he's not one of those who draft Fernández's policies.

This shows how laughable Right-Wing Views are.

It gets even funnier if you look at the right-wing candidates other than Macri.

Espert is a crusty old Mises and Hayek stan who got memed into online relevance by a bunch of baby nerds who just discovered liberal philosophy. He's perfect for the very specific breed of young (usually male) bourgeois Argentinian who is just woke enough to realize that our status quo is shite, but not woke enough to realize that the "free market" is part of the problem. The sort of Argentinian who thinks he's a free-thinker while uncritically regurgitating our liberal conservative myths about how good life in Argentina was until Perón ruined everything.

Gómez Centurión is the one bad Falklands war veteran who denies our last dictatorship's atrocities and is desperately trying to court the vote of religious conservatives who are scared out of their wits by "gender ideology" stuff like giving comprehensive sex ed in schools and not being a dick to LGBT people. He's not even verified on Twitter and already he's promising that he's going to "veto" a gender identity law that was already passed years ago.

[Liriena]

The nicest thing I can say about the Argentine right-wing is that most of them are self-aware enough to know that they can't just go around advocating for the privatization of our healthcare or education. They'd get tarred, feathered and fed to a pack of ravenous coatis if they did.

[Novus America]

Macri's running mate decided to threaten us all with a good time today, claiming that, in the event of a Fernández victory, people who own more than one apartment would be forced to "surrender it to the revolution".

Which, I gotta say, is an outstanding move. Trying to convince our ailing middle class to vote for the neolibs whose incompetence left many of them unemployed and whose austerity left them on the brink of poverty... because the obstinately lukewarm, vaguely progressive Fernández is gonna do a Marxism-Leninism and abolish landlords?

God, I wish I lived in these people's imaginary world.

Right? Somehow, I don't think land/property reform is high on Fernandez's list of priorities.

Her top priorities of course consist of getting pardons/immunity and acquiring greater money and power. The only land reform she would be particularly interested in is if the land goes to her personal ownership.

She is a corrupt populist windbag, certainly no Marxist.

[Xeng He]

Not Argentinian, but I am interested in learning about foreign policy, so once I have more time to look over what people advocate for I might weigh in.

Right now, Fernandez seems cool, though.

[Duhon]

Like the poster above me, not Argentinian. Unlike the poster above me, I'm here to lob a funny story at no direction in particular:

https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-cry-me-d ... socialists

[Duhon]

Macri.

Peronism sucks.

Given the track record of non-Peronist governments (including the present government), can't exactly blame Argentinians for wanting more of Peron.

[Liriena]

Like the poster above me, not Argentinian. Unlike the poster above me, I'm here to lob a funny story at no direction in particular:

https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-cry-me-d ... socialists

Gawd, the Cato people are such cucks...

[Nakena]

Like the poster above me, not Argentinian. Unlike the poster above me, I'm here to lob a funny story at no direction in particular:

https://www.cato.org/blog/dont-cry-me-d ... socialists

Gawd, the Cato people are such cucks...

And lazy. Too.

[Liriena]

Macri.

Peronism sucks.

Given the track record of non-Peronist governments (including the present government), can't exactly blame Argentinians for wanting more of Peron.

To be fair to non-Peronist governments, we did have a couple of good ones (Frondizi and Illia). Their problem was that they were short-lived. It sucks that the Radical Civic Union has since become an ineffectual, milquetoast husk of a party that's burned through most of its centenarian political capital to keep Cambiemos afloat while alienating their own youth.

Comparatively, Peronists are usually more proficient at keeping the country politically and socioeconomically stable long enough that the hot potatoes of this country never blow up in their faces.

[Liriena]

What the fuck? The Central Bank just doxxed and sanctioned 400 people who, apparently, bought more American dollars than our new regulations for the purchase of foreign currency allowed.

[Shrillland]

What the fuck? The Central Bank just doxxed and sanctioned 400 people who, apparently, bought more American dollars than our new regulations for the purchase of foreign currency allowed.

That's a bit excessive. I understand they need hard US currency, but that's no reason to stop people transferring their own cash.