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Postby Vassenor » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:49 am

Kowani wrote:
Curt Brockways Inferno of Doom wrote:As for you, do you have any actual evidence to support that or are you just going by the propaganda that CNN feeds you?

Example.


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Postby Neko-koku » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:54 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Why do you hate free speech?

American nationalism is almost wholly incompatible with freedom in general.

Is there any nationalism compatible with freedom?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:03 am

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The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:American nationalism is almost wholly incompatible with freedom in general.

Is there any nationalism compatible with freedom?

Probably not.
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Postby Agarntrop » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:04 am

Patriotism is absolutely compatible with freedom. Nationalism, on the other hand, is not.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:10 am

Agarntrop wrote:Patriotism is absolutely compatible with freedom. Nationalism, on the other hand, is not.

Stuff like this transcends above your average run of the mill patriotism where you’re just proud to be an American where at least you know you’re free, this is just blind unfettered nationalism, and that kind of blind nationalism has long since poisoned patriotism in America where stuff like this happens, as well as shaming and punishing others (to varying degrees) who also don’t stand for the anthem (or pledge) which also isn’t that uncommon.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:11 am

Neko-koku wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:American nationalism is almost wholly incompatible with freedom in general.

Is there any nationalism compatible with freedom?

Yes actually. Nationalism has many different strands and sub beliefs across a wide spectrum on the left-right scale.

Irish nationalism, which is largely left wing for example has an extensive history fighting for equal rights, freedom and representation.


Nationalism is not always bad. It depends on the type and who supports it.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:23 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:Is there any nationalism compatible with freedom?

Yes actually. Nationalism has many different strands and sub beliefs across a wide spectrum on the left-right scale.

Irish nationalism, which is largely left wing for example has an extensive history fighting for equal rights, freedom and representation.


Nationalism is not always bad. It depends on the type and who supports it.

Nationalism is natural. People will always usually identify with those that share common values, heritage, language et cetera. And naturally they will want to see their interests put above others.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:26 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Yes actually. Nationalism has many different strands and sub beliefs across a wide spectrum on the left-right scale.

Irish nationalism, which is largely left wing for example has an extensive history fighting for equal rights, freedom and representation.


Nationalism is not always bad. It depends on the type and who supports it.

Nationalism is natural. People will always usually identify with those that share common values, heritage, language et cetera. And naturally they will want to see their interests put above others.


When your ideology is making people smash kids' skulls for wearing hats at the wrong time you seriously need to reconsider your outlook on the world.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:29 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Nationalism is natural. People will always usually identify with those that share common values, heritage, language et cetera. And naturally they will want to see their interests put above others.


When your ideology is making people smash kids' skulls for wearing hats at the wrong time you seriously need to reconsider your outlook on the world.

The first thing I did on this thread was say how outrageous that man was.
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Postby Katganistan » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:21 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:They also charged him with regular assault. Plus he has a pending assault with a deadly weapon charge as well. The guy probably won’t be leaving prison for awhile

I could be wrong, but I read that (legal website) as assault on a minor being a separate charge that can add five years on top of the potential 20 year sentence.

You know, rereading it, I think you're right.
So, he'll be incarcerated for the rest of his original sentence, I suppose, and if convicted, may spend another twenty five years in jail.

TBH if he's that much of a danger to people around him that he pulled up to a parked car in 2010, pulled a gun and threatened to murder a family, and then assaulted a kid, he should NOT be allowed out in public where he is a danger to everyone.

And the asshole judge who presided over his arraignment for this assault let him go on his own recognizance. WHAT?

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Postby Katganistan » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:32 am

Curt Brockways Inferno of Doom wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yes, I’m sure the Founding Fathers really respected England before they rebelled.

That's because England were taxing the living hell out of the colonists. All this guy asked was for this kid to remove his stupid hat for the pledge of allegiance and what did he get? The little shit told him to f**k off! This is the problem with the youth of today, they don't give a damn about this country that our brave boys in blue died multiple times for. They sacrificed their lives for us so we could be free and how do we repay them, he couldn't even take off his hat!

Soldiers swear, quite literally, to uphold the Constitution.

What is part of the Constitution? The First Amendment.

So soldiers have died to protect your right NOT to have to follow a state religion, and for the right to express yourself.

Curt Brockway very much violated the oath he took as a soldier when he decided to lift up and then smash a kid headfirst into the ground for exercising his freedom of expression.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:38 am

Katganistan wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I could be wrong, but I read that (legal website) as assault on a minor being a separate charge that can add five years on top of the potential 20 year sentence.

You know, rereading it, I think you're right.
So, he'll be incarcerated for the rest of his original sentence, I suppose, and if convicted, may spend another twenty five years in jail.

TBH if he's that much of a danger to people around him that he pulled up to a parked car in 2010, pulled a gun and threatened to murder a family, and then assaulted a kid, he should NOT be allowed out in public where he is a danger to everyone.

And the asshole judge who presided over his arraignment for this assault let him go on his own recognizance. WHAT?

Sounds like the law needs to be reformed. Some people should be ineligible for release from pre-trial detention.

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Postby 5 Kingdoms of Britannia » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:48 am

At the end of the day the attack was wrong and all of us on political divide should crush these violent groups but at same time neither side can claim innocence, there for can we just both agree antifar bad nazis bad communism bad and fascist bad.

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Postby Katganistan » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:56 am

5 kingdoms of Britannia wrote:At the end of the day the attack was wrong and all of us on political divide should crush these violent groups but at same time neither side can claim innocence, there for can we just both agree antifar bad nazis bad communism bad and fascist bad.



What does that have to do with anything?

Is the thirteen year old a member of antifa?
Is Brockway a Nazi?

Don't start with this "both sides are wrong" bullshit.
A 39 year old man slammed a child headfirst into the pavement.

Try reading the thread before inserting your unrelated propagandistic talking points into it.

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Postby Minoa » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:07 am

Katganistan wrote:Don't start with this "both sides are wrong" bullshit.
A 39 year old man slammed a child headfirst into the pavement.

Try reading the thread before inserting your unrelated propagandistic talking points into it.

This, but also I feel that the polarisation of politics in the United States is far beyond what we expect in any kind of democracy.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:13 am

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Curt Brockways Inferno of Doom wrote:There is a difference between free speech and disrespecting your nation. This kid clearly has no pride or care for this glorious nation.

Yes, I’m sure the Founding Fathers really respected England before they rebelled.

Actually, most of them did. The rebellion started as a fight for their rights as Englishmen. It didn’t turn into a war for independence until later, after parliament and George III indicated there could be no negotiations.
Prior to 1776 support for independence was small. Even after the declaration support for the rebels and loyalists was split about evenly.
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Postby Bread Herbert » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:15 am

He shouldn't have disrespected the national anthem like that. Millions of people gave their lives to protect America and defend the freedom of its people. That boy should really be grateful that the country is nice enough to give him medical treatment despite his blatant hate for the country.

Of course I am NOT serious. I hope the boy recovers and that the douchbag that hit him gets a taste of his own medicine in prison for "disrespecting" another inmate.

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Postby Gormwood » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:17 am

Bread Herbert wrote:He shouldn't have disrespected the national anthem like that. Millions of people gave their lives to protect America and defend the freedom of its people. That boy should really be grateful that the country is nice enough to give him medical treatment despite his blatant hate for the country.

Of course I am NOT serious. I hope the boy recovers and that the douchbag that hit him gets a taste of his own medicine in prison for "disrespecting" another inmate.

"He deserved to get his skull cracked." Classy.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:18 am

Gormwood wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:He shouldn't have disrespected the national anthem like that. Millions of people gave their lives to protect America and defend the freedom of its people. That boy should really be grateful that the country is nice enough to give him medical treatment despite his blatant hate for the country.

Of course I am NOT serious. I hope the boy recovers and that the douchbag that hit him gets a taste of his own medicine in prison for "disrespecting" another inmate.

"He deserved to get his skull cracked." Classy.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:18 am

Gormwood wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:He shouldn't have disrespected the national anthem like that. Millions of people gave their lives to protect America and defend the freedom of its people. That boy should really be grateful that the country is nice enough to give him medical treatment despite his blatant hate for the country.

Of course I am NOT serious. I hope the boy recovers and that the douchbag that hit him gets a taste of his own medicine in prison for "disrespecting" another inmate.

"He deserved to get his skull cracked." Classy.


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Postby Bread Herbert » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:18 am

Gormwood wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:He shouldn't have disrespected the national anthem like that. Millions of people gave their lives to protect America and defend the freedom of its people. That boy should really be grateful that the country is nice enough to give him medical treatment despite his blatant hate for the country.

Of course I am NOT serious. I hope the boy recovers and that the douchbag that hit him gets a taste of his own medicine in prison for "disrespecting" another inmate.

"He deserved to get his skull cracked." Classy.


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Postby Bread Herbert » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:19 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"He deserved to get his skull cracked." Classy.


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Postby Empire of Asgadr » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:20 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Gormwood wrote:"He deserved to get his skull cracked." Classy.


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Am I dense or did people not read the extremely miniscule text?

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Postby HUElavia » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:21 am

You have to take off your hat, if not the Special Magical Cloth wont Freedom and Democracy!

Jokes aside, I hope he gets a good sentence for that assault. Who cares if someone takes off their hat or not? It's a "Free" country.

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