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by Definitely Not Trumptonium » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:51 am
by Definitely Not Trumptonium » Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:56 am
by Baltenstein » Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:01 pm
by Shrillland » Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:07 pm
Baltenstein wrote:I find it interesting that Southern Poland seems to be much more densely populated than Northern or Western Poland. Are those still the after-effects of the territorial exchange post-WW2?
by San Lumen » Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:14 pm
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:looks like duda will win on an even narrower margin than his 51% / 49% in 2015.
by Latvijas Otra Republika » Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:39 pm
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:San Lumen wrote:https://www.euronews.com/2020/07/09/poland-presidential-election-pro-eu-hopeful-rafal-trzaskowski-neck-and-neck-with-incumbent
election is too close to call with the most recent polls. Warsaw Mayor Rafal Tzaskowski leads by the narrowest of margins heading into the sunday runoff. If the incumbent lost it would be huge blow to the populist and nationalist movement in Europe
do you think that people across europe hold hands and decide what to vote together or something
by Katovice » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:15 am
by Definitely Not Trumptonium » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:14 pm
Baltenstein wrote:I find it interesting that Southern Poland seems to be much more densely populated than Northern or Western Poland. Are those still the after-effects of the territorial exchange post-WW2?
by Definitely Not Trumptonium » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:22 pm
by Major-Tom » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:32 pm
Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:San Lumen wrote:Given how tight polls are there is possibility he could lose which I hope he does
Just for context, in 2015 when the polls were 49% and 51% on election night one minute after ballots closed when the poll was released, the loser conceded the election before the results.
Given that Duda is leading, it's extremely unlikely.
Exit poll is in about 40 min anyway.
by Thermodolia » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:57 pm
Major-Tom wrote:Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Just for context, in 2015 when the polls were 49% and 51% on election night one minute after ballots closed when the poll was released, the loser conceded the election before the results.
Given that Duda is leading, it's extremely unlikely.
Exit poll is in about 40 min anyway.
The exit poll came out, Duda w 50.4% to Trz...Trzaskowski? Jesus Christ, Polish is consonant soup, anyways, here it is;
See here.
by New Rogernomics » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:01 pm
It is unlikely that Poland will have any results today, and given how close the vote is overseas votes could make the difference, and overseas voters don't favor Duda.Major-Tom wrote:Definitely Not Trumptonium wrote:
Just for context, in 2015 when the polls were 49% and 51% on election night one minute after ballots closed when the poll was released, the loser conceded the election before the results.
Given that Duda is leading, it's extremely unlikely.
Exit poll is in about 40 min anyway.
The exit poll came out, Duda w 50.4% to Trz...Trzaskowski? Jesus Christ, Polish is consonant soup, anyways, here it is;
See here.
by New Rogernomics » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:22 pm
Well, if Duda has his way Poland will be joining the Russian Federation soon enough (culturally if not politically), as Poland's ruling party will just grow more and more hostile to Germany and their other neighbors. Plus Trump can only legally be President for four more years, if he is re-elected, and the President after will be a Democrat - who will want to repair US-EU relations, and not create a rift by supporting Poland's far-right party.Katovice wrote:All I can say as a Silesian is that Warsaw (and Poland) sucks. I don’t care who wins or loses this election, because it means more of the same for us Silesians. More exploitation and destruction of Silesian land. More closure of our (relatively) well-run industry. More marginalisation. And more destruction of our culture and way of life.
As a Silesian, allow me to cast my vote for... making Silesia Czech again. Seriously, we’d be better off in Czechia. We fought the Germans in 1919-1921, but we chose to join the wrong country (Poland). Wszyjscy Hanysy mojou cołki polski bojzel w rzici! My dupcymy wos, polsko!
by Major-Tom » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:29 pm
New Rogernomics wrote:It is unlikely that Poland will have any results today, and given how close the vote is overseas votes could make the difference, and overseas voters don't favor Duda.
Though if Duda wins, I guess the EU can say hello to the newest nation in the tin-pot dictators club within the next year or two, maybe a poor man's Belarus, as Poland will rapidly become as corrupt as Russia with no political or judicial accountability. So other EU member states should start preparing to offer political asylum to Poland's LGBT community and opposition activists, and maybe to consider kicking Poland out of the EU entirely for having no human rights values, as it only gets worse from here if Duda wins.
by New Rogernomics » Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:39 pm
The EU will cut their budget eventually, as this has already been threatened. Though what is more likely to happen is that Poland will rapidly form pro-EU, anti-EU pro Polexit, pro-Russia factions, and Poland as you've known it will be gone forever. I wouldn't be surprised if Poland leaves the EU of it's own accord, as EU-Poland relations grow more and more tense and the ruling party push extreme nationalism to retain power.Major-Tom wrote:New Rogernomics wrote: It is unlikely that Poland will have any results today, and given how close the vote is overseas votes could make the difference, and overseas voters don't favor Duda.
Though if Duda wins, I guess the EU can say hello to the newest nation in the tin-pot dictators club within the next year or two, maybe a poor man's Belarus, as Poland will rapidly become as corrupt as Russia with no political or judicial accountability. So other EU member states should start preparing to offer political asylum to Poland's LGBT community and opposition activists, and maybe to consider kicking Poland out of the EU entirely for having no human rights values, as it only gets worse from here if Duda wins.
Pretty much, yeah. Watching Poland toy with re-electing Duda // PIS makes me a bit anxious about my own country's situation.
But, hey, we both know the EU won't really hold Poland accountable, why would they? It's not in their greater economic interest to.
by San Lumen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:30 pm
by New Rogernomics » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:36 pm
Because it isn't over by a long shot as the exit poll margin of error is 2% and overseas votes still need to be counted.San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/12/europe/poland-presidential-election-result-intl/index.html
Duda has declared victory but his opponent says he will not concede and is confident of victory.
by San Lumen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:44 pm
New Rogernomics wrote:Because it isn't over by a long shot as the exit poll margin of error is 2% and overseas votes still need to be counted.San Lumen wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/12/europe/poland-presidential-election-result-intl/index.html
Duda has declared victory but his opponent says he will not concede and is confident of victory.
by New Rogernomics » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:48 pm
Tuesday is being put as the date for the official results to be at least mostly in. What has also been pointed out or speculated about by media is that the courts are rigged by the ruling party, so if the result is close Duda could use the courts to rig the election and still claim victory - which would mean the effective end of free elections and democracy there.
by San Lumen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:53 pm
New Rogernomics wrote:Tuesday is being put as the date for the official results to be at least mostly in. What has also been pointed out or speculated about by media is that the courts are rigged by the ruling party, so if the result is close Duda could use the courts to rig the election and still claim victory - which would mean the effective end of free elections and democracy there.San Lumen wrote:
someone else said overseas vote is enough it could decide the election. I hope Duda loses
by Definitely Not Trumptonium » Sun Jul 12, 2020 2:59 pm
New Rogernomics wrote:It is unlikely that Poland will have any results today, and given how close the vote is overseas votes could make the difference, and overseas voters don't favor Duda.
Zwycięzcą drugiej tury okazał się Andrzej Duda, na którego głosowało 55,9 proc. wyborców za granicą (88,6 tys.). Bronisław Komorowski uzyskał 44,0 proc. (69,8 tys.). Największe poparcie Andrzej Duda zdobył w USA (80,8 proc.) i Kanadzie (77,3 proc.),
Though if Duda wins, I guess the EU can say hello to the newest nation in the tin-pot dictators club within the next year or two, maybe a poor man's Belarus, as Poland will rapidly become as corrupt as Russia with no political or judicial accountability. So other EU member states should start preparing to offer political asylum to Poland's LGBT community and opposition activists, and maybe to consider kicking Poland out of the EU entirely for having no human rights values, as it only gets worse from here if Duda wins.
by New Rogernomics » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:01 pm
If the vote is close, and he manages to survive the election anything is possible, as there are plenty of authoritarian models that Poland could follow. Firstly, the ruling party could choose to just rig ballots in the future, as there are no independent courts and nothing to stop the ruling party compelling or bribing officials to ignore ballot stuffing. Secondly, it could go after opposition politicians and activists on trumped up charges, which is how free elections are quashed in Russia generally. Thirdly, it could just let far-right extremists have even more free reign to assault the LGBT community and attack the opposition through violent means and intimidation, which is a tactic used in Chechnya.San Lumen wrote:Given the hard right lurch Poland has taken I could see that happening. Hungary is already a de facto dictatorship and Poland could very well follow. I hope if Duda does that there are massive protests against him.New Rogernomics wrote:Tuesday is being put as the date for the official results to be at least mostly in. What has also been pointed out or speculated about by media is that the courts are rigged by the ruling party, so if the result is close Duda could use the courts to rig the election and still claim victory - which would mean the effective end of free elections and democracy there.
by Definitely Not Trumptonium » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:04 pm
San Lumen wrote:New Rogernomics wrote:Tuesday is being put as the date for the official results to be at least mostly in. What has also been pointed out or speculated about by media is that the courts are rigged by the ruling party, so if the result is close Duda could use the courts to rig the election and still claim victory - which would mean the effective end of free elections and democracy there.
Hungary is already a de facto dictatorship
by Definitely Not Trumptonium » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:06 pm
New Rogernomics wrote:Well, if Duda has his way Poland will be joining the Russian Federation soon enough (culturally if not politically), as Poland's ruling party will just grow more and more hostile to Germany and their other neighbors.Katovice wrote:All I can say as a Silesian is that Warsaw (and Poland) sucks. I don’t care who wins or loses this election, because it means more of the same for us Silesians. More exploitation and destruction of Silesian land. More closure of our (relatively) well-run industry. More marginalisation. And more destruction of our culture and way of life.
As a Silesian, allow me to cast my vote for... making Silesia Czech again. Seriously, we’d be better off in Czechia. We fought the Germans in 1919-1921, but we chose to join the wrong country (Poland). Wszyjscy Hanysy mojou cołki polski bojzel w rzici! My dupcymy wos, polsko!
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