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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:58 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:We are Ahmadi Muslims. We preach peace and love, not hatred. Why should we play into their (the attackers') rhetoric? The extremists who committed this act did do out of fear of the Muslim community. So we should just retaliate and prove their fears to be founded?

This


It can't harm to increase security measures (reinforced doors/windows etc) and start a fundraiser to repair damage and pay for said improvements.

Necroghastia wrote:How absolutely appalling, both the crime itself and that some are celebrating it.


Yeah that is quite telling isn't it?

Fundamentalism seems getting en vogue again.

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Eternal Lotharia wrote:This attack is relatively minor but symbolic of a systemic issue. This emphasized the need for classes on Islam in Western Countries, for tolerance.


People in general need to let to learn to let other people be in peace or there wont be any of it in our time.
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Postby Greater Kongo-Zaire » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:58 pm

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Marquisal wrote:Finally, a bit of decency.
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DEUS VULT

How sickening.

Religious tolerance must always be respected.


Riiight, cause the Al-Qaeda pilots and Paris attackers were sooo tolerant. Because the Quran itself doesn’t advocate genocide of pagans. Tsk tsk tsk, this is really going too far.

I stay, stamp out any and all ideologies that behave this way. That includes Nazism/Fascism, Islam, Antifa/SJW, radical Christianity (like the KKK and Fred Phelps), etc.
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Postby Santa Regada » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:59 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:This attack is relatively minor but symbolic of a systemic issue. This emphasized the need for classes on Islam in Western Countries, for tolerance.

Pretty sure this would just backfire and help the whole "we are under siege by Islam" rhetoric if there is now mandatory classes on Islam separate from regular RE classes. You learn about Islam in RE.
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:00 pm

Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:How sickening.

Religious tolerance must always be respected.


Riiight, cause the Al-Qaeda attackers were sooo tolerant. Because the Quran itself doesn’t advocate genocide of pagans. Tsk tsk tsk, this is really going too far.

I stay, stamp out any and all ideologies that behaves this way. That includes Nazism/Fascism, Islam, Antifa/SJW, radical Christianity (like the KKK and Fred Phelps), etc.

The KKK aren't Radical Christians.
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Postby Imbalistan » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:00 pm

You guys...please stop attacking individuals who follow there religion and say "Well, violence commited by arab regimes on Christians should warrant this", no, vandalizing a house of worship is horrible considering almost every single person there (probably everyone there actually) does not like violence on anyone.
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Postby Greater Kongo-Zaire » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:01 pm

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Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:
Riiight, cause the Al-Qaeda attackers were sooo tolerant. Because the Quran itself doesn’t advocate genocide of pagans. Tsk tsk tsk, this is really going too far.

I stay, stamp out any and all ideologies that behaves this way. That includes Nazism/Fascism, Islam, Antifa/SJW, radical Christianity (like the KKK and Fred Phelps), etc.

The KKK aren't Radical Christians.


Ummm yeah they are lol

(I’m Christian myself, and darn proud of it. Matter of fact, I’m also from the Gulf South. But Jesus would NOT approve of killing black people (or anyone) based on superficialities like the color of their skin.

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Postby Highever » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:02 pm

Nouveau Quebecois wrote:
Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:
Riiight, cause the Al-Qaeda attackers were sooo tolerant. Because the Quran itself doesn’t advocate genocide of pagans. Tsk tsk tsk, this is really going too far.

I stay, stamp out any and all ideologies that behaves this way. That includes Nazism/Fascism, Islam, Antifa/SJW, radical Christianity (like the KKK and Fred Phelps), etc.

The KKK aren't Radical Christians.

Yeah it's not like christian identity is a major pillar of their ideology or anything.
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Postby Cerinda » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:02 pm

Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:How sickening.

Religious tolerance must always be respected.


Riiight, cause the Al-Qaeda pilots and Paris attackers were sooo tolerant. Because the Quran itself doesn’t advocate genocide of pagans. Tsk tsk tsk, this is really going too far.

I stay, stamp out any and all ideologies that behave this way. That includes Nazism/Fascism, Islam, Antifa/SJW, radical Christianity (like the KKK and Fred Phelps), etc.

Whataboutism is a terrible thing you know.
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Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:
Nouveau Quebecois wrote:The KKK aren't Radical Christians.


Ummm yeah they are lol

(I’m Christian myself, and darn proud of it. Matter of fact, I’m also from the Gulf South. But Jesus would NOT approve of killing black people (or anyone) based on superficialities like the color of their skin.

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:03 pm

Marquisal wrote:
Highever wrote:Incredibly ironic that folks are shouting praise to god in a foreign language in celebration of intolerance when these same people would flip their lid if it was done in another language and by another group.


I call it "an eye for an eye"
Our people, The Christian People, have suffered long years while their identity has been destroyed in one way or another. Governments do condemn terrorism, but some of them act as if they were in favour of it, by exporting weapons to countries such as Saudi Arabia or Iran, that provide weapons, asylum and money to islamic terrorist groups, and by silenciating the media of the christian persecution and intensify the feeling that we need to protect islam. I do not see violence as necessary, I regret the use of it. But there has not been violence in this attack, no muslim has been hurted. Most mosques are built without the permission of the native people, while if you try to build a church in an islamic country you could even be sentenced to death. This is not fair, and this makes the people, The Christian People, to start the demolition of the buildings of the invader faith, which has never, and will never be, accepted in many territories.
This so called "vandals" are not saying to muslims "Do not follow your religion, do not praise to your leader" they are saying "I will not accept you building mosques with the money of my people, in the territory of my people, and, most importantly, without the permission of my people" That is not intollerance, but instead what happens when popular soveraignty has been destroyed to the benefict of those who will bring money to the corrupt polliticians.

This is what I think, said propperly without all that "Deus Vult" shouting. I hope that you can understand this, and if not, I will be willing to talk with you calmly about this topic.

Please realize that we Ahmadis have done nothing to cause harm to your community. Plus, does not your statements go against the teachings of Christ himself?

"If someone slaps you, turn the other cheek" or "love your enemies"?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:03 pm

Nothing is more ironic than when people call Muslims terrorists and then engage in terrorism toward Muslims
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:04 pm

Could we not vandalize places of worship? Please?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:04 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Marquisal wrote:
I call it "an eye for an eye"
Our people, The Christian People, have suffered long years while their identity has been destroyed in one way or another. Governments do condemn terrorism, but some of them act as if they were in favour of it, by exporting weapons to countries such as Saudi Arabia or Iran, that provide weapons, asylum and money to islamic terrorist groups, and by silenciating the media of the christian persecution and intensify the feeling that we need to protect islam. I do not see violence as necessary, I regret the use of it. But there has not been violence in this attack, no muslim has been hurted. Most mosques are built without the permission of the native people, while if you try to build a church in an islamic country you could even be sentenced to death. This is not fair, and this makes the people, The Christian People, to start the demolition of the buildings of the invader faith, which has never, and will never be, accepted in many territories.
This so called "vandals" are not saying to muslims "Do not follow your religion, do not praise to your leader" they are saying "I will not accept you building mosques with the money of my people, in the territory of my people, and, most importantly, without the permission of my people" That is not intollerance, but instead what happens when popular soveraignty has been destroyed to the benefict of those who will bring money to the corrupt polliticians.

This is what I think, said propperly without all that "Deus Vult" shouting. I hope that you can understand this, and if not, I will be willing to talk with you calmly about this topic.

Please realize that we Ahmadis have done nothing to cause harm to your community. Plus, does not your statements go against the teachings of Christ himself?

"If someone slaps you, turn the other cheek" or "love your enemies"?


You haven't, indeed, and it would be great if people didn't turn this, which is tragic no matter what one may think of Islam, into a shitshow.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:04 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Nothing is more ironic than when people call Muslims terrorists and then engage in terrorism toward Muslims


It's quite telling imo.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Your solution is laughable-and ironically is SJW-like.


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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:04 pm

Nouveau Quebecois wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Ah yes, violence against Christians by Arabic regimes warrants violence against unrelated Irish Muslims.

That all depends on how you look at it.

I treat people as individuals. Those people in that Mosque are as much deserving of retribution
for the actions of terrorists/oppressive Arabic regimes as anyone else on this earth not in those aforementioned groups.
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:04 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Nothing is more ironic than when people call Muslims terrorists and then engage in terrorism toward Muslims

Vandalism isn't an act of terrorism.
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Postby Imbalistan » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:05 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Could we not vandalize places of worship? Please?

THANK YOU! I dont care if its Jewish, Islamic, Christian, or whatever you believe in, just, dont vandalize in general.
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Postby Greater Kongo-Zaire » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:05 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:
Riiight, cause the Al-Qaeda attackers were sooo tolerant. Because the Quran itself doesn’t advocate genocide of pagans. Tsk tsk tsk, this is really going too far.

I stay, stamp out any and all ideologies that behaves this way. That includes Nazism/Fascism, Islam, Antifa/SJW, radical Christianity (like the KKK and Fred Phelps), etc.

The fact that you toss in SJW's, normal Muslims, etc. that way in there shows a real ignorance of the Quran despite claiming to be an expert. I am friends with many Muslims who are able to pick apart your misinformed claims with facts, evidence, other verses, etc.

SJW's are annoying perhaps, sure, but seriously?

Your solution is laughable-and ironically is SJW-like.


Ewww no I hate the New Left, it’s a disgrace.

My solution, you ask? French-Revolution-Style Red Terror. Destroy everything to do with selfish people, including snowflakes, the rich, and anyone who believes in autocracy. Including the caliphate. Yes, I am a Communist. A true Communist, and darn proud of it. Love your neighbor as yourself.

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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:05 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Nouveau Quebecois wrote:That all depends on how you look at it.

I treat people as individuals. Those people in that Mosque are as much deserving of retribution
for the actions of terrorists/oppressive Arabic regimes as anyone else on this earth not in those aforementioned groups.

Not everyone treats people the same way you do. This is all opinionated.
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:06 pm

No matter the motive, or any political nature behind, vandalism is still a crime. It is never right to vandalise just because of a political view, no matter what it might be.
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Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:The fact that you toss in SJW's, normal Muslims, etc. that way in there shows a real ignorance of the Quran despite claiming to be an expert. I am friends with many Muslims who are able to pick apart your misinformed claims with facts, evidence, other verses, etc.

SJW's are annoying perhaps, sure, but seriously?

Your solution is laughable-and ironically is SJW-like.


Ewww no I hate the New Left, it’s a disgrace.

My solution, you ask? French-Revolution-Style Red Terror. Destroy everything to do with selfish people, including snowflakes, the rich, and anyone who believes in autocracy. Including the caliphate. Yes, I am a Communist. A true Communist, and darn proud of it. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Call me crazy but I do believe that is a poor solution.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:07 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Could we not vandalize places of worship? Please?

^This.

Religious Tolerance=top priority.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
You haven't, indeed, and it would be great if people didn't turn this, which is tragic no matter what one may think of Islam, into a shitshow.

Jolthig is a great friend, he is a prime representative of the ahmadi community.


I am not accusing Jolthig of anything. I am indeed in agreement that he and his community didn't deserve this.
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Imbalistan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Could we not vandalize places of worship? Please?

THANK YOU! I dont care if its Jewish, Islamic, Christian, or whatever you believe in, just, dont vandalize in general.

Indeed. Religiously aggravated criminal damage is a class B Felony, after all.
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Postby Greater Kongo-Zaire » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:07 pm

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Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:
Ummm yeah they are lol

(I’m Christian myself, and darn proud of it. Matter of fact, I’m also from the Gulf South. But Jesus would NOT approve of killing black people (or anyone) based on superficialities like the color of their skin.

They really aren't. We can take this to TG's though, because the mods have this thread under a microscope.


Why bother? They can see TGs as well. If you have things to hide from the mods, take them elsewhere. Like, off NationStates lol.

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Postby Cerinda » Mon Jul 29, 2019 2:07 pm

Greater Kongo-Zaire wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:The fact that you toss in SJW's, normal Muslims, etc. that way in there shows a real ignorance of the Quran despite claiming to be an expert. I am friends with many Muslims who are able to pick apart your misinformed claims with facts, evidence, other verses, etc.

SJW's are annoying perhaps, sure, but seriously?

Your solution is laughable-and ironically is SJW-like.


Ewww no I hate the New Left, it’s a disgrace.

My solution, you ask? French-Revolution-Style Red Terror. Destroy everything to do with selfish people, including snowflakes, the rich, and anyone who believes in autocracy. Including the caliphate. Yes, I am a Communist. A true Communist, and darn proud of it. Love your neighbor as yourself.

This has to be a troll.
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