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Cedoria wrote:And if the day ever comes when GOP lawmakers have any interest in treating all violence as equally reprehensible regardless of political origin, I might be inclined to give them a fair hearing, but anyone who thinks they're doing that has just got fingers in their ears.

Cedoria wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:I provided evidence that Antifa attacked innocent people. You tried to justify it by invoking fictitious racism.

It's pathetically disingenuous. I mean, you could use it to try and justify assaulting virtually any group of right-wingers, which is probably what you believe but you're unwilling to admit it.

Like Torra.

Evidence was posted just minutes ago in this very thread. So much for 'fictitious'. And as I think I indicated, it wasn't event a serious remark, I was making a sarcastic comment mirroring your own attitude to Antifa so you could see how absurd it was. I just happened to right about the facts as well later on.

Nice try.

If I believed in assaulting any right-winger I liked, I'd have a much more active outdoors life, a criminal record and far fewer friends. The fact I don't I think puts this nonsense to bed quite handily. But I love how you go again with the assumptions on no evidence at all about what I believe and do. Do you see the point of my sarcastic earlier remark now?

Torrocca wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:I provided evidence that Antifa attacked innocent people. You tried to justify it by invoking fictitious racism.

It's pathetically disingenuous. I mean, you could use it to try and justify assaulting virtually any group of right-wingers, which is probably what you believe but you're unwilling to admit it.

Like Torra.

Get over your obsession with me. I didn't ask to live rent-free inside your head.

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Get over your obsession with me. I didn't ask to live rent-free inside your head.

Lol

Torrocca wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:Lol

Get over your obsession with me. I didn't ask to live rent-free inside your head.

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Cedoria wrote:Evidence was posted just minutes ago in this very thread. So much for 'fictitious'. And as I think I indicated, it wasn't event a serious remark, I was making a sarcastic comment mirroring your own attitude to Antifa so you could see how absurd it was. I just happened to right about the facts as well later on.

Nice try.

If I believed in assaulting any right-winger I liked, I'd have a much more active outdoors life, a criminal record and far fewer friends. The fact I don't I think puts this nonsense to bed quite handily. But I love how you go again with the assumptions on no evidence at all about what I believe and do. Do you see the point of my sarcastic earlier remark now?

Your attempt to draw comparisons is hilarious.

One of us is trying to justify assault, and it isn't me.

Kowani wrote:So, today in redefining terrorism…

Torrocca wrote:

Strahcoin wrote:That's the problem with antifa. They call everything with which they don't agree "fascist".

Fascists believe in silencing opposing opinions. Since when did the police institutions attack/arrest those who peacefully and lawfully express their disagreement?

Like, are we forgetting that UC Davis happened? If that doesn't tickle your fancy, here's a much more recent incident.

There's far more to find if you look a little bit.

Cedoria wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:Your attempt to draw comparisons is hilarious.

One of us is trying to justify assault, and it isn't me.

Nah, you're just happy for tiki-torch wielding Stormfronters to run people down with vehicles and chant 'Jews will not replace us' and openly call for ethnic cleansing and race war with impunity and no repercussions. I bow to your moral supremacy.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:

Kassimo wrote:I would argue quite the opposite. In times of social peace, where people either have faith in the electoral system or are politically apathetic, sure. But in times such as ours when most people are disillusioned with our political and media institutions, that is, when capitalist power structures feel vulnerable, fearing the rise of extra-parliamentary dissent and revolutionary perspectives, it is standard practice to enable and utilise the political violence of reactionaries, both inside and outside of repressive organs of the State. In this sense, most people, even antifascists, are on the wrong page in fearing some kind of fascist coup in America. Fascism is far more effectively being utilised as a minoritarian current to defend the status quo, i.e. our current democratic institutions.

It is in this sense that the targets of intensified violence - non-natives, socialists, and anarchists in particular - feel the need to organise themselves defensively, hence the proliferation of antifa activity.

Unless your view of "stable democracy" is a conflict (violent presumably) between revolutionaries and the status quo, nothing you just said countered my claim.

Strahcoin wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Like, are we forgetting that UC Davis happened? If that doesn't tickle your fancy, here's a much more recent incident.

There's far more to find if you look a little bit.

They were blocking traffic. The protesters refused orders from the police officers to move out of the way.

So again, I ask: since when did the police institutions attack/arrest those who peacefully and lawfully express their disagreement.

Now, there were some situations where security has violated the freedom of speech and assembly. Ben Shapiro being barred from entering DePaul University was one of them. However, the police institutions almost always enforce the law, not suppression. We should respect them, not call them "fascists".

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Cedoria wrote:
Nah, you're just happy for tiki-torch wielding Stormfronters to run people down with vehicles and chant 'Jews will not replace us' and openly call for ethnic cleansing and race war with impunity and no repercussions. I bow to your moral supremacy.

Yeah, because garden-variety conservatives are definitely doing that. It is hilarious to watch you claim moral superiority while branding anyone assaulted by Antifa cockroaches as a Stormfronter.

Also, by the way, I'm Jewish on my father's side. So if you could quite trying to use my heritage to justify your scummy views that'd be great.

Cedoria wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:Yeah, because garden-variety conservatives are definitely doing that. It is hilarious to watch you claim moral superiority while branding anyone assaulted by Antifa cockroaches as a Stormfronter.

Also, by the way, I'm Jewish on my father's side. So if you could quite trying to use my heritage to justify your scummy views that'd be great.

No garden-variety conservative who wasn't doxxing or engaged in race hate or proudboyism has had any contact with Antifa in any meaningful way, as you are probably unaware, because you seem to think Ngo and his ilk qualify as 'garden variety'.

As for your ancestry, that wasn't relevant nor do I care. I'm quite happy for people to throw rotten tomatoes at murderous fascists and anti-Semites who want a race war. If you don't, that's on you. Ethnic self-righteousness here is not relevant.

Cedoria wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:Yeah, because garden-variety conservatives are definitely doing that. It is hilarious to watch you claim moral superiority while branding anyone assaulted by Antifa cockroaches as a Stormfronter.

Also, by the way, I'm Jewish on my father's side. So if you could quite trying to use my heritage to justify your scummy views that'd be great.

No garden-variety conservative who wasn't doxxing or engaged in race hate or proudboyism has had any contact with Antifa in any meaningful way that I know of, as you are probably unaware, because you seem to think Ngo and his ilk qualify as 'garden variety'. You're perfectly well aware conservatives are not the people I'm referring to.
Unless you want to deny such people were at Charlottesville, among other places?

As for your ancestry, that wasn't relevant nor do I care. I'm quite happy for people to throw rotten tomatoes at murderous fascists and anti-Semites who want a race war. If you don't, that's on you. Ethnic self-righteousness here is not relevant.

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Cedoria wrote:
No garden-variety conservative who wasn't doxxing or engaged in race hate or proudboyism has had any contact with Antifa in any meaningful way, as you are probably unaware, because you seem to think Ngo and his ilk qualify as 'garden variety'.

Really? Because, as the source I provided you with that you didn't read demonstrated, there were actually peaceful conservatives at that rally who very much had contact with Antifa.

Because it turns violent left-wing extremists don't like conservatives either. Who knew?

As for your ancestry, that wasn't relevant nor do I care. I'm quite happy for people to throw rotten tomatoes at murderous fascists and anti-Semites who want a race war. If you don't, that's on you. Ethnic self-righteousness here is not relevant.

Antifa isn't protecting me from Nazis or from being ethnically cleansed. In fact, as a right-winger they'd beat the shit out of me.

They aren't stopping fascists or people who want a race war. They hate anyone right of center, because they're degenerate extremist scum.

Torrocca wrote:

Strahcoin wrote:They were blocking traffic. The protesters refused orders from the police officers to move out of the way.

So again, I ask: since when did the police institutions attack/arrest those who peacefully and lawfully express their disagreement.

TIL'd peaceful protests don't count as peaceful protests if they cause a minor inconvenience, which is the point of protests in the first place. TIL'd that this definitely justifies peaceful protesters getting pepper-sprayed.

Now, there were some situations where security has violated the freedom of speech and assembly. Ben Shapiro being barred from entering DePaul University was one of them. However, the police institutions almost always enforce the law, not suppression. We should respect them, not call them "fascists".

lolno

Torrocca wrote:

Cedoria wrote:
No garden-variety conservative who wasn't doxxing or engaged in race hate or proudboyism has had any contact with Antifa in any meaningful way that I know of, as you are probably unaware, because you seem to think Ngo and his ilk qualify as 'garden variety'. You're perfectly well aware conservatives are not the people I'm referring to.
Unless you want to deny such people were at Charlottesville, among other places?

As for your ancestry, that wasn't relevant nor do I care. I'm quite happy for people to throw rotten tomatoes at murderous fascists and anti-Semites who want a race war. If you don't, that's on you. Ethnic self-righteousness here is not relevant.

Imagine using your ancestry to justify your defense of Neo-Nazis, holy shit lmao it's so fucking stupid.

Cedoria wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:Really? Because, as the source I provided you with that you didn't read demonstrated, there were actually peaceful conservatives at that rally who very much had contact with Antifa.

Because it turns violent left-wing extremists don't like conservatives either. Who knew?


Antifa isn't protecting me from Nazis or from being ethnically cleansed. In fact, as a right-winger they'd beat the shit out of me.

They aren't stopping fascists or people who want a race war. They hate anyone right of center, because they're degenerate extremist scum.

Righto, because that's definitely NOT painting people you disagree with with an overly broad brush based on the actions of one particular subset of that group because it's more convenient of you to demonise. Totally different from what you were ranting about me doing a minute ago. Got ya. Do you even read how dumb this stuff is to yourself before you post it?

Strahcoin wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
TIL'd peaceful protests don't count as peaceful protests if they cause a minor inconvenience, which is the point of protests in the first place. TIL'd that this definitely justifies peaceful protesters getting pepper-sprayed.



lolno

1. It's illegal to block traffic whilst protesting. What if there's an emergency somewhere, and the emergency vehicle has to travel across that road to get there? If the protesters intentionally block traffic and refuse to stand and protest somewhere else, then the police has not only the right, but the duty, to get them out.

2. So, you won't respect the very people who protect us, the general populace, from murderers, thieves, rapists, etc.? You won't respect those who put their lives in danger on a daily basis so we can sleep knowing we are safe? If you think that they may abuse their powers and apprehend lawful dissenters, your fears are misplaced. The Constitution and its Bill of Rights prevent the government from obtaining too much power, and the few police officers who abuse their powers can and will be discharged.

Torrocca wrote:

Cedoria wrote:
No garden-variety conservative who wasn't doxxing or engaged in race hate or proudboyism has had any contact with Antifa in any meaningful way that I know of, as you are probably unaware, because you seem to think Ngo and his ilk qualify as 'garden variety'. You're perfectly well aware conservatives are not the people I'm referring to.
Unless you want to deny such people were at Charlottesville, among other places?

As for your ancestry, that wasn't relevant nor do I care. I'm quite happy for people to throw rotten tomatoes at murderous fascists and anti-Semites who want a race war. If you don't, that's on you. Ethnic self-righteousness here is not relevant.

Imagine using your ancestry to justify your defense of Neo-Nazis, holy shit lmao it's so fucking stupid.

Strahcoin wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Imagine using your ancestry to justify your defense of Neo-Nazis, holy shit lmao it's so fucking stupid.

Huh? When did Nova Cyberia defend Neo-Nazis?

Nova Cyberia wrote:

Cedoria wrote:
Righto, because that's definitely NOT painting people you disagree with with an overly broad brush based on the actions of one particular subset of that group because it's more convenient of you to demonise. Totally different from what you were ranting about me doing a minute ago. Got ya. Do you even read how dumb this stuff is to yourself before you post it?

Antifa cockroaches are a subset of a subset of a group. I am painting them with a broad brush because violence is their modus operandi. Or, if we're using commie Newspeak, "direct action".

Strahcoin wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Imagine using your ancestry to justify your defense of Neo-Nazis, holy shit lmao it's so fucking stupid.

Huh? When did Nova Cyberia defend Neo-Nazis?

Torrocca wrote:

Strahcoin wrote:1. It's illegal to block traffic whilst protesting. What if there's an emergency somewhere, and the emergency vehicle has to travel across that road to get there? If the protesters intentionally block traffic and refuse to stand and protest somewhere else, then the police has not only the right, but the duty, to get them out.

Protesters can, have, and do move out of the way of emergency vehicles. They don't need police brutality to do that.

2. So, you won't respect the very people who protect us, the general populace, from murderers, thieves, rapists, etc.? You won't respect those who put their lives in danger on a daily basis so we can sleep knowing we are safe? If you think that they may abuse their powers and apprehend lawful dissenters, your fears are misplaced. The Constitution and its Bill of Rights prevent the government from obtaining too much power, and the few police officers who abuse their powers can and will be discharged.

I'm an Anarchist, chief. Put two and two together.