'Manspreading chair' and men's boundaries

[Katganistan]

I feel like Manspreading is a great way to just spend eternity talking about an issue instead of having a discussion about the future of public transportation and employment. I've only ever seen feminist voices making an issue on Manspreading to be highlighting scenarios in which people are travelling from and two work in a compact public transport vehicle. Sometimes this is followed up with psychoanalysis involving body language. Honestly though it just reminds me of a moralistic tactic that serves to make issue of the body instead of the environmental surroundings.

Anyways. If your on public transport I'd just keep your legs in. Unless of course it's not busy.

When it's not busy, it's not a problem. It's the same assy behavior as a person who puts their bag next to them It goes on the lap or on the floor if people need a seat.

I've traveled with my backpack on my lap plenty of times since I am only entitled to one seat.

[Ors Might]

See? The first two guys are just being jerks. This doesn't mean that all of us should suffer because of a few guys who don't know the difference between being comfortable, and being a jerk.

The last guy looks like he is sleeping/not paying attention, not being a jerk deliberately.

And if its ever a problem, you can just ask for more space? The while not wanting a confrontation thing typically goes both ways. Most people are not gonna fight you on leg space.

[Highever]

I mean not to be cliche but life isn't fair, and people are assholes. Again, I don't know what to tell you.

Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean nothing can be done about it. There's a simple solution. Ban these assholes from using the Tube so the rest of us don't have to put up with their bullshit. Simple.

I am not about to advocate banning someone from a public service because they sit a little to wide for some people and they were not asked to move while they were doing so. If they cause an altercation when being asked to move then that is potentially a different story.

[Ors Might]

I mean not to be cliche but life isn't fair, and people are assholes. Again, I don't know what to tell you.

Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean nothing can be done about it. There's a simple solution. Ban these assholes from using the Tube so the rest of us don't have to put up with their bullshit. Simple.

Or you could just ask them to make space if there’s nowhere else for you to sit? Like a normal person would? I don’t know about your testes, but mine are too sensitive to force my legs together without feeling any pain or discomfort. Even so, I’m not a dick and will make room if I have to. But maybe extend that same courtesy to me?

[Katganistan]

I've seen people buy whole airplane rows (3 seats) just for a place to put their bag.

They're silly, but they purchased those tickets. There are assigned seats on airlines, and those are ones they entitled to use since they have purchased the right to use (or not use) them. So no one is really inconvenienced by people who want to waste money that way.

If you're using public transportation, if it's crowded and there are more people than seats, then you should try to keep yourself within a single seat and not take up extra space whether with your legs or bags. If there are a shitload of free seats, then go ahead and spread, lie down across 3 seats if you want. This isn't a complicated matter, it's just manners.

Yes, precisely.

[Ors Might]

I've seen people buy whole airplane rows (3 seats) just for a place to put their bag.

They're silly, but they purchased those tickets. There are assigned seats on airlines, and those are ones they entitled to use since they have purchased the right to use (or not use) them. So no one is really inconvenienced by people who want to waste money that way.

Except the people that can no longer purchase those seats.

[Katganistan]

.....

Yeah, I'm done with clown world for the night.

Really NS, THIS IS WHAT I WAKE UP TO? A discussion about the ever pressing and important subject of manspreading

cringe this is it, this thread is the winner of the daily cringeworthy thread award.

Now seeing that this is actually a serious thread, a seriously cringeworthy one I shall state my opinion.

Manspreading and ladyspreading is fucking annoying on public transit. If you need to spread out into two seats on a train then you better buy a second ticket for your balls or snatch.

Be considerate, don’t manspread or ladyspread in public. Ladies don’t spread in public. I don’t spread anywhere!

Complaining about your balls being hot, your own fault for wearing the wrong type of underwear and pants, get over it or buy a second seat. But if you impede my use of a transit vehicle you can damn right bet I’m going to complain and let them fine you.

Do I think NYPD etc need to get involved? No, absolutely not. A train conductor can receive complaints about a manspreader or even a womanspreader and then go to their seat and tell them to cease and desist or face the fine of having to buy the ticket for the seat next to them so they can have two seats just because their balls or fanny are sweaty.

Public ad campaign “Be Frugal, Don’t Spread or Pay The Price!”

People ride transit because it is cheap. If we make it expensive as all hell for spreaders then their behavior will cease or they will cease to use transit.

NYC transit does not function the way you imagine it does. They can't make you pay for a second seat.

[Estanglia]

The last guy looks like he is sleeping/not paying attention, not being a jerk deliberately.

And if its ever a problem, you can just ask for more space? The while not wanting a confrontation thing typically goes both ways. Most people are not gonna fight you on leg space.

And if they did start a fight, and you asked politely for space, you know who's gonna come off as an asshole?
Not you.

I'd always ask if it was me who was stuck next to someone doing that, unless I was living in an area where violence in retaliation to that was unusually (or unacceptably) high. It makes no sense complaining about someone's annoying behavior when you have made no effort getting them to stop the annoying behaviour, especially if they can't tell/don't know that you're annoyed.

If you want someone to stop doing something, tell them. Complaining about it later doesn't change their behaviour (unless it is met with a punishment).

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Its unduly hostile to ask in disbelief where exactly you take public transit where you made the claim that the go to interaction is assault and battery? And where exactly was anyone victim blaming for anything?

Oddly enough, the pictures you posted are still how most people sit, and if they do sit a little wider, they hardly take up the exaggerated amount of space that is often claimed.

A lot wider, Highever. And I've been nothing but polite while people are being quite hostile.






Is this necessary?

I think those are just examples of the extreme.

With the way our society is going, companies will probably soon buy and install chairs like that.

Then, we boycott until they recognize that we like to be comfortable too.

Agreed.

[Ors Might]

And if its ever a problem, you can just ask for more space? The while not wanting a confrontation thing typically goes both ways. Most people are not gonna fight you on leg space.

And if they did start a fight, and you asked politely for space, you know who's gonna come off as an asshole?
Not you.

I'd always ask if it was me who was stuck next to someone doing that, unless I was living in an area where violence in retaliation to that was unusually (or unacceptably) high. It makes no sense complaining about someone's annoying behavior when you have made no effort getting them to stop the annoying behaviour, especially if they can't tell/don't know that you're annoyed.

If you want someone to stop doing something, tell them. Complaining about it later doesn't change their behaviour (unless it is met with a punishment).

In my experience, most people do not intentionally act like assholes. Nor do they particularly like assholes who make a scene. So even if they do try to start a fight, guess what? They’ll probably get kicked off the transit system.

[US-SSR]

My two cents on the matter are that men spreading their legs reasonably is not only natural as well as it should be encouraged: testicles tend to hang out of the body for the purpose of cooling as they work optimally below the natural body temperature, and squeezing their space (sitting tightly or crossing legs too often) not only is oftentimes a painful experience, as well as it can go to the extent of stunting the effectiveness of testosterone production, as well as decreased fertility and worse semen quality.

Men take up more room than they are entitled to because sperm.

[Soviet Tankistan]

Ah yes, people are so proper they couldn't resist words. As we've been taught in school, a "please" always works!

Telling them to fuck off has a better chance of getting off their spot.

As someone who “manspreads” if someone tells me to fuck off on the transit system without politely asking if I can make a bit more space for them, my immediate response is to take up even more space. Why would being a rude asshole work in this instance?

It doesn't, but the result is the same almost all of the time. The difference is honesty.

[Purgatio]

Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean nothing can be done about it. There's a simple solution. Ban these assholes from using the Tube so the rest of us don't have to put up with their bullshit. Simple.

Or you could just ask them to make space if there’s nowhere else for you to sit? Like a normal person would? I don’t know about your testes, but mine are too sensitive to force my legs together without feeling any pain or discomfort. Even so, I’m not a dick and will make room if I have to. But maybe extend that same courtesy to me?

Like I told the previous poster, that's what I normally do, ask politely. Which is fine. But not everyone is socially-conscious and considerate enough. There remain people obstinate enough that they will exist on using two or three seats and consigning someone to use less-than-one, and for those stubborn and selfish people a ban on using the service in question seems fair to me, not the people who are polite and oblige when asked.

[Saint Arsenio]

My two cents on the matter are that men spreading their legs reasonably is not only natural as well as it should be encouraged: testicles tend to hang out of the body for the purpose of cooling as they work optimally below the natural body temperature, and squeezing their space (sitting tightly or crossing legs too often) not only is oftentimes a painful experience, as well as it can go to the extent of stunting the effectiveness of testosterone production, as well as decreased fertility and worse semen quality.

Men take up more room than they are entitled to because sperm.

No. Manspreading doesn't even take up as much space as people are complaining about. We do it because we need to be comfortable too. We don't feel entitled to anything. Apparently, you didn't take the time to read the entire paragraph.

[Purgatio]

Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean nothing can be done about it. There's a simple solution. Ban these assholes from using the Tube so the rest of us don't have to put up with their bullshit. Simple.

I am not about to advocate banning someone from a public service because they sit a little to wide for some people and they were not asked to move while they were doing so. If they cause an altercation when being asked to move then that is potentially a different story.

Again, everyone pays the same amount to use the London Tube. They are entitled to expect to receive equal treatment in how they receive that service. If one guy is using 2-3 seats and another is forced to use less than one because the former's selfishness, then either the former guy pays a higher rate to use the service, or he not be allowed to use it at all. I don't understand why you don't think that's fair.

[The South Falls]

It's like being screamed at to "do your fucking job better bitch!" versus "hey, could you improve a little?"

[LiberNovusAmericae]

My two cents on the matter are that men spreading their legs reasonably is not only natural as well as it should be encouraged: testicles tend to hang out of the body for the purpose of cooling as they work optimally below the natural body temperature, and squeezing their space (sitting tightly or crossing legs too often) not only is oftentimes a painful experience, as well as it can go to the extent of stunting the effectiveness of testosterone production, as well as decreased fertility and worse semen quality.

Men take up more room than they are entitled to because sperm.

God forbid actual biological needs are mentioned.

[Katganistan]

I'd hope that there was a reasonable compromise between spending a 1 hour commute with your legs crossed tightly enough to cut off circulation and spreading out across an entire two seats like you're smuggling coconuts in your boxers...

If a seat on public transport can't accommodate someone sitting there with their legs slightly apart, then that's probably a fault with whoever designed the seat. Hell, it's not like we're getting thinner as a society is it?

We're not talking slightly. A two feet or better sprawl into surrounding seats is not slightly.

[Ors Might]

As someone who “manspreads” if someone tells me to fuck off on the transit system without politely asking if I can make a bit more space for them, my immediate response is to take up even more space. Why would being a rude asshole work in this instance?

It doesn't, but the result is the same almost all of the time. The difference is honesty.

“Honesty” is not an excuse to be prick though.

Or you could just ask them to make space if there’s nowhere else for you to sit? Like a normal person would? I don’t know about your testes, but mine are too sensitive to force my legs together without feeling any pain or discomfort. Even so, I’m not a dick and will make room if I have to. But maybe extend that same courtesy to me?

Like I told the previous poster, that's what I normally do, ask politely. Which is fine. But not everyone is socially-conscious and considerate enough. There remain people obstinate enough that they will exist on using two or three seats and consigning someone to use less-than-one, and for those stubborn and selfish people a ban on using the service in question seems fair to me, not the people who are polite and oblige when asked.

Unless the seats are absurdly small, most guys will not take up more than one and a half seats, if that. But lets say they do take up a lot of space. Okay. Which sounds more selfish to you?

Forcing someone to experience notable pain so you don’t have to experience relatively minor discomfort, typically being just having to stand for about ten minutes, or momentarily inconveniencinng someone so that you don’t suffer pain for that same amount of time?

[US-SSR]

Men take up more room than they are entitled to because sperm.

No. Manspreading doesn't even take up as much space as people are complaining about. We do it because we need to be comfortable too. We don't feel entitled to anything.

A man taking up two seats while a woman stands has nothing to do with male entitlement.



Stop, just stop, I'm gonna wet myself.

[Katganistan]

Skeleton shapes of adult men and women are different, hip and thigh bones can be very different.

I can sit with knees together without using any muscles. Hubby has to tense muscles to sit with his knees closer than 1ft between centre of kneecaps, making it uncomfortable to hold that pose.

Sceptical about anyone really needing to slouch with their knees further apart than their elbows.

Yup.

[Ors Might]

I'd hope that there was a reasonable compromise between spending a 1 hour commute with your legs crossed tightly enough to cut off circulation and spreading out across an entire two seats like you're smuggling coconuts in your boxers...

If a seat on public transport can't accommodate someone sitting there with their legs slightly apart, then that's probably a fault with whoever designed the seat. Hell, it's not like we're getting thinner as a society is it?

We're not talking slightly. A two feet or better sprawl into surrounding seats is not slightly.

Is that the most common form of man spreading?

[Saint Arsenio]

I am not about to advocate banning someone from a public service because they sit a little to wide for some people and they were not asked to move while they were doing so. If they cause an altercation when being asked to move then that is potentially a different story.

Again, everyone pays the same amount to use the London Tube. They are entitled to expect to receive equal treatment in how they receive that service. If one guy is using 2-3 seats and another is forced to use less than one because the former's selfishness, then either the former guy pays a higher rate to use the service, or he not be allowed to use it at all. I don't understand why you don't think that's fair.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the two or three seats thing. Whoeven takes up two+ seats must have some really long legs, or just wants to come off as a jerk.

[Hammer Britannia]

We're not talking slightly. A two feet or better sprawl into surrounding seats is not slightly.

Is that the most common form of man spreading?

Nah, clearly men do the splits on trains to purposefully take up as many seats as possible

[Purgatio]

It doesn't, but the result is the same almost all of the time. The difference is honesty.

“Honesty” is not an excuse to be prick though.

Like I told the previous poster, that's what I normally do, ask politely. Which is fine. But not everyone is socially-conscious and considerate enough. There remain people obstinate enough that they will exist on using two or three seats and consigning someone to use less-than-one, and for those stubborn and selfish people a ban on using the service in question seems fair to me, not the people who are polite and oblige when asked.

Unless the seats are absurdly small, most guys will not take up more than one and a half seats, if that. But lets say they do take up a lot of space. Okay. Which sounds more selfish to you?

Forcing someone to experience notable pain so you don’t have to experience relatively minor discomfort, typically being just having to stand for about ten minutes, or momentarily inconveniencinng someone so that you don’t suffer pain for that same amount of time?

I love your biased framing of the problem. Here's mine.

Everyone pays the same rate to use the London Tube. The same amount of money. As paying customers, we are all entitled to receive the same service, if someone receives a better service he should pay more. You know, like how the seats in First Class are bigger than Economy Class.

Two people pay the same rate to use the London Tube. One guy uses 2-3 seats, the other guy is forced to use less than 1 because of the former's selfishness and lack of consideration for others. Why shouldn't the former be forced to either pay double or triple, or better yet, just ban him from the service unless he stops being selfish and recognises all paying customers that pay the SAME AMOUNT should be entitled to use and enjoy the same number of seats.