'Manspreading chair' and men's boundaries

[Ors Might]

Oddly enough, politely asking them to move if you need them to will make them do that.

Ah yes, people are so proper they couldn't resist words. As we've been taught in school, a "please" always works!

Telling them to fuck off has a better chance of getting off their spot.

As someone who “manspreads” if someone tells me to fuck off on the transit system without politely asking if I can make a bit more space for them, my immediate response is to take up even more space. Why would being a rude asshole work in this instance?

[Katganistan]

Check the link in my post.

Look at all the hostility in the answers above. Goodness. Is there a reason for hurling accusations and victim blaming simply for making a statement that your knees should reside within the same zipcode?

Honestly, men didn't used to do this on subways.

Its unduly hostile to ask in disbelief where exactly you take public transit where you made the claim that the go to interaction is assault and battery? And where exactly was anyone victim blaming for anything?

Oddly enough, the pictures you posted are still how most people sit, and if they do sit a little wider, they hardly take up the exaggerated amount of space that is often claimed.

A lot wider, Highever. And I've been nothing but polite while people are being quite hostile.


I have since been told that the above is a stock photo. I was not aware of that earlier, so I am marking it out.



Is this necessary?

[Purgatio]

Hi, man here. I'm complaining because I've been personally inconvenienced on the London Tube by assholes taking up two or three seats on an already-crowded-as-shit train. Hence, why I'm complaining about it even though I'm a guy. It's not just women who are upset about this bullshit.

I share in your frustration. It's agitating. I've experienced it myself. But if people start calling for it to be banned, then what's next? It sets a dangerous standard. And it would be ridiculous to face arrest over spreading your legs a bit.

If you are using and train as a single individual you should be using only one seat. I don't want people who take up more than one arrested but as I've explained earlier companies always impose internal regulations on what customers can do as a condition of using its service, in order to protect other paying customers from getting what they bargained for and not having to put up with unnecessary inconvenience. If someone is deliberately taking up more than one seat for any reason, not just "manspreading" but placing your property on other seats and refusing to move them, whatever the reason, they should be suspended from using that service for a certain period of time, to be fair to the other customers.

[Highever]

Ah yes, people are so proper they couldn't resist words. As we've been taught in school, a "please" always works!

Telling them to fuck off has a better chance of getting off their spot.

As someone who “manspreads” if someone tells me to fuck off on the transit system without politely asking if I can make a bit more space for them, my immediate response is to take up even more space. Why would being a rude asshole work in this instance?

Something tells me that there may be a reason why people are saying that manspreaders wont move or act rude when confronted. Surely it inst because the person in question was told to fuck off or anything and not actually asked in a polite manner if they could make some room.

[Estanglia]

Oddly enough, politely asking them to move if you need them to will make them do that.

Ah yes, people are so proper they couldn't resist words. As we've been taught in school, a "please" always works!

Telling them to fuck off has a better chance of getting off their spot.

From my experience, telling people to fuck off for doing something rude just makes them do it more (a behaviour that I am guilty of).

Sure, being polite doesn't always work, but being a dick to them just makes you come off as an asshole.

[Chestaan]

I mean... occupying an unnecessarily large amount of space in public transportation is a dick move regardless of who you are and how or why you do it. But this thing... eh? The chair itself looks ugly and uncomfortable as sin, but then again I didn't study furniture design.

Not particularly interested in the biopolitics of male fertility and spreading your legs wide open in public transportation. The world doesn't need people to be more fertile.

I mean if a man wants to be fertile and closing their legs close damages that it's not fair to demand that they close their legs, regardless of whether fertility rates are too high or not.

[Katganistan]

Or introduce gender segregated seating or better yet non mixed public transit.

So you’ll just get the Parkus wagon attached to the back of the train. Don’t worry this way you won’t have to see anything offensive

Yeah, it was just peachy keen when we discriminated that way against people of color, wasn't it?

Disgusting.
Thermo, not directed at you.

[Purgatio]

Yes, obviously, and some agreed, others didn't. I'm saying the latter are a problem that need to be fixed, see?

Yes, probalby 85-90% or more will simply move and the crisis is resolved. Again it seems like you are making the simple fact that some people will be dicks into some sort of crisis issue that can be fixed through law or regulation. It can't. Sometimes you just have to deal with people being assholes. I don't really know what to tell you when you bump into someone that wants to be an ass when you're out and about.

Because I pay money to use the London Tube, the same amount everyone else pays. Why should I be forced to use less-than-one seat when some asshole who paid the same amount uses two or three? Where is the fairness in that? Am I not entitled as a customer to demand that the company I'm giving money to adopt a policy to suspend these people from using their service and hurting their other customers?

[Ors Might]

As someone who “manspreads” if someone tells me to fuck off on the transit system without politely asking if I can make a bit more space for them, my immediate response is to take up even more space. Why would being a rude asshole work in this instance?

Something tells me that there may be a reason why people are saying that manspreaders wont move or act rude when confronted. Surely it inst because the person in question was told to fuck off or anything and not actually asked in a polite manner if they could make some room.

I mean, shit. If the bus is crowded and the only available seats are next to me, I’ll probably make room without being asked. But if you go out of your way to be a dick about it, fuck you?

[Highever]

Its unduly hostile to ask in disbelief where exactly you take public transit where you made the claim that the go to interaction is assault and battery? And where exactly was anyone victim blaming for anything?

Oddly enough, the pictures you posted are still how most people sit, and if they do sit a little wider, they hardly take up the exaggerated amount of space that is often claimed.

A lot wider, Highever. And I've been nothing but polite while people are being quite hostile.

Is this necessary?

Did I ever say that no one ever manspreads or that they never take up too much space? No? Then your selected pic spam is pointless and irrelevant.

Yes, sometimes people are assholes and do in fact conform to the evil manspreader ideal. These people are, as mentioned, assholes.

Is spamming massive pictures in large numbers and not spoiling them necessary?

[Katganistan]

I never said all men do.
But I am subject to jeering and hostility for asking for a bit of courtesy.
Funny, yeah?

Where is the hostility, hm? I'm not being hostile towards you, or anyone here, but if I came off that way, I do apologize.

No, you personally are not. I direct you to read back through the thread though for less measured responses than yours.

[Saint Arsenio]

Its unduly hostile to ask in disbelief where exactly you take public transit where you made the claim that the go to interaction is assault and battery? And where exactly was anyone victim blaming for anything?

Oddly enough, the pictures you posted are still how most people sit, and if they do sit a little wider, they hardly take up the exaggerated amount of space that is often claimed.

A lot wider, Highever. And I've been nothing but polite while people are being quite hostile.






Is this necessary?

See? The first two guys are just being jerks. This doesn't mean that all of us should suffer because of a few guys who don't know the difference between being comfortable, and being a jerk.

[Ors Might]

Its unduly hostile to ask in disbelief where exactly you take public transit where you made the claim that the go to interaction is assault and battery? And where exactly was anyone victim blaming for anything?

Oddly enough, the pictures you posted are still how most people sit, and if they do sit a little wider, they hardly take up the exaggerated amount of space that is often claimed.

A lot wider, Highever. And I've been nothing but polite while people are being quite hostile.






Is this necessary?

In my experience, most men don’t spread their legs that far apart. Just far enough to where we aren’t in pain.

Some guys has more sensitive testes than others. I mean, I sometimes feel pain while laying down if my legs are too close. I’m sorry if my not wanting to suffer inconveniences you, though.

[Katganistan]

I never said all men do.
But I am subject to jeering and hostility for asking for a bit of courtesy.
Funny, yeah?

Maybe because this is such a non-issue. And it's certainly not going to be changed by a bunch of harpies preaching about "manspreading" and making humiliating chairs specifically for men.

Saint Arsenio, I rest my case.
Hostile. Jeering. And I never mentioned that ridiculous chair.
Perhaps someone needs to work on their reading comprehension.

[Highever]

Yes, probalby 85-90% or more will simply move and the crisis is resolved. Again it seems like you are making the simple fact that some people will be dicks into some sort of crisis issue that can be fixed through law or regulation. It can't. Sometimes you just have to deal with people being assholes. I don't really know what to tell you when you bump into someone that wants to be an ass when you're out and about.

Because I pay money to use the London Tube, the same amount everyone else pays. Why should I be forced to use less-than-one seat when some asshole who paid the same amount uses two or three? Where is the fairness in that? Am I not entitled as a customer to demand that the company I'm giving money to adopt a policy to suspend these people from using their service and hurting their other customers?

I mean not to be cliche but life isn't fair, and people are assholes. Again, I don't know what to tell you.

[The Free Joy State]

Its unduly hostile to ask in disbelief where exactly you take public transit where you made the claim that the go to interaction is assault and battery? And where exactly was anyone victim blaming for anything?

Oddly enough, the pictures you posted are still how most people sit, and if they do sit a little wider, they hardly take up the exaggerated amount of space that is often claimed.

A lot wider, Highever. And I've been nothing but polite while people are being quite hostile.

Is this necessary?

Some people do take up an unnecessary amount of space. I've been pushed to literally the front corner edge of a double-seat before now.

Men not sitting with their legs together is one thing. Taking up a whole double-seat on a full bus is another entirely.

[Saint Arsenio]

Maybe because this is such a non-issue. And it's certainly not going to be changed by a bunch of harpies preaching about "manspreading" and making humiliating chairs specifically for men.

Saint Arsenio, I rest my case.
Hostile. Jeering. And I never mentioned that ridiculous chair.
Perhaps someone needs to work on their reading comprehension.

I was never hostile towards you, so please do not bring me into that.

[Nakena]

Its unduly hostile to ask in disbelief where exactly you take public transit where you made the claim that the go to interaction is assault and battery? And where exactly was anyone victim blaming for anything?

Oddly enough, the pictures you posted are still how most people sit, and if they do sit a little wider, they hardly take up the exaggerated amount of space that is often claimed.

A lot wider, Highever. And I've been nothing but polite while people are being quite hostile.






Is this necessary?

1+2+3 not really. Its rude and somewhat inaproperiate.

4 nothing evil going on there.

[Nantoraka]

I'm used to British far-left doing stupid things, but the scariest part is how she was awarded for it. Stupidity is contagious.

[Highever]

Maybe because this is such a non-issue. And it's certainly not going to be changed by a bunch of harpies preaching about "manspreading" and making humiliating chairs specifically for men.

Saint Arsenio, I rest my case.
Hostile. Jeering. And I never mentioned that ridiculous chair.
Perhaps someone needs to work on their reading comprehension.

Perhaps he was not talking about you and was in fact referencing the person in the OP who made the chair? Indeed, perhaps someone does need to work on their reading comprehension.

[Estanglia]

A lot wider, Highever. And I've been nothing but polite while people are being quite hostile.






Is this necessary?

See? The first two guys are just being jerks. This doesn't mean that all of us should suffer because of a few guys who don't know the difference between being comfortable, and being a jerk.

The last guy looks like he is sleeping/not paying attention, not being a jerk deliberately.

[Saint Arsenio]

Saint Arsenio, I rest my case.
Hostile. Jeering. And I never mentioned that ridiculous chair.
Perhaps someone needs to work on their reading comprehension.

Perhaps he was not talking about you and was in fact referencing the person in the OP who made the chair? Indeed, perhaps someone does need to work on their reading comprehension.

Perhaps so.

[Purgatio]

Because I pay money to use the London Tube, the same amount everyone else pays. Why should I be forced to use less-than-one seat when some asshole who paid the same amount uses two or three? Where is the fairness in that? Am I not entitled as a customer to demand that the company I'm giving money to adopt a policy to suspend these people from using their service and hurting their other customers?

I mean not to be cliche but life isn't fair, and people are assholes. Again, I don't know what to tell you.

Life isn't fair, but that doesn't mean nothing can be done about it. There's a simple solution. Ban these assholes from using the Tube so the rest of us don't have to put up with their bullshit. Simple.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

With the way our society is going, companies will probably soon buy and install chairs like that.

[Saint Arsenio]

With the way our society is going, companies will probably soon buy and install chairs like that.

Then, we boycott until they recognize that we like to be comfortable too.