Berkley to cease using gendered language like "manhole"

[Nova Cyberia]

It’s “Orwellian”

Usually anyone who throws that term around hasn't actually read Orwell.

How, for instance, does not using the word "manhole" erase the concept of a manhole from existence?

Why does it need to be changed?

Is there any legitimate reason for it to be changed?

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Yeah, how is that? How is someone harmed by being made aware of content so they can decide whether or not they want that content on their mind at the moment?

Encouraging people to avoid anxiety provoking situations or themes makes the anxiety worse. No anxiety disorder, including PTSD, is improved by avoiding the anxiety provoking stimulus. In fact, that's how disorders like agoraphobia worsen.
*have a panic attack in a specific place
*avoid that place because you had a panic attack there
*congratulations, the place itself is now a trigger.
*rinse and repeat until you can't leave home.

Source: ten years of GAD and Agoraphobia.

Agoraphobia can have a profound effect on one's quality of life, whereas people who have traumatic associations with such things as rape and child abuse can avoid detailed portrayals of these things without a major impact on their quality of life so I don't think that's a great comparison.

I also have GAD and I know that there is a right time and place for coping with one's anxiety but also times to avoid it. You can face the things that set off your anxiety in a good environment and in the right state of mind. But when you already have a mountain of shit on top of you, being forced to confront the sources of your anxiety isn't good. Even exposure therapy is done gradually, in a comfortable setting, and one is given the necessary time to prepare for it. If someone is afraid of snakes, their psychiatrist doesn't throw a surprise snake in their face when they walk through the door.

I think you're severely overestimating how many people want content warnings to facilitate relentless avoidance. In reality it's more like it's there so someone who is already having a shitty day doesn't encounter something to set off a panic attack.

[Communal concils]

Yes, I get it. It's a smear. You're using Marxism as a smear word.

I don't see what's the big deal with wanting to draw attention to the lessons of history

If you actually read Marxist Literature, you would know that Marxism contradicts with liberals. In fact, Marxism is anti-Liberal.

[Necroghastia]

Hmm. It does say that this study was conducted on the general public, not with people with PTSD. I'm also seeing a potential flaw with it simply giving a vague warning that could mean absolutely anything, which could lead the mind to make worse assumptions than are actually valid, rather than specifically describing what content is being warned for.

Gallo's source aside, trigger warnings are contrary to accepted protocols for anxiety disorders. No therapist worth a damn is going to tell you to avoid the causes of anxiety and panic unless they are trying to ruin you.

True, but I believe the protocol is that one should still confront it on their own terms, not without knowing what one is getting into.

[Nova Cyberia]

Encouraging people to avoid anxiety provoking situations or themes makes the anxiety worse. No anxiety disorder, including PTSD, is improved by avoiding the anxiety provoking stimulus. In fact, that's how disorders like agoraphobia worsen.
*have a panic attack in a specific place
*avoid that place because you had a panic attack there
*congratulations, the place itself is now a trigger.
*rinse and repeat until you can't leave home.

Source: ten years of GAD and Agoraphobia.

Agoraphobia can have a profound effect on one's quality of life, whereas people who have traumatic associations with such things as rape and child abuse can avoid detailed portrayals of these things without a major impact on their quality of life so I don't think that's a great comparison.

I also have GAD and I know that there is a right time and place for coping with one's anxiety but also times to avoid it. You can face the things that set off your anxiety in a good environment and in the right state of mind. But when you already have a mountain of shit on top of you, being forced to confront the sources of your anxiety isn't good. Even exposure therapy is done gradually, in a comfortable setting, and one is given the necessary time to prepare for it. If someone is afraid of snakes, their psychiatrist doesn't throw a surprise snake in their face when they walk through the door.

I think you're severely overestimating how many people want content warnings to facilitate relentless avoidance. In reality it's more like it's there so someone who is already having a shitty day doesn't encounter something to set off a panic attack.

As someone who actually suffers with anxiety I can tell you that I don't need trigger warnings.

Facing what causes my anxiety has been the most useful thing for helping me to overcome it.

[Communal concils]

Usually anyone who throws that term around hasn't actually read Orwell.

How, for instance, does not using the word "manhole" erase the concept of a manhole from existence?

Why does it need to be changed?

Is there any legitimate reason for it to be changed?

I find this issue useless. It does not really change the course of history and it does not have any real impact upon the life of a man.

what is the reason for Complaining ?

[Nakena]

Agoraphobia can have a profound effect on one's quality of life, whereas people who have traumatic associations with such things as rape and child abuse can avoid detailed portrayals of these things without a major impact on their quality of life so I don't think that's a great comparison.

I also have GAD and I know that there is a right time and place for coping with one's anxiety but also times to avoid it. You can face the things that set off your anxiety in a good environment and in the right state of mind. But when you already have a mountain of shit on top of you, being forced to confront the sources of your anxiety isn't good. Even exposure therapy is done gradually, in a comfortable setting, and one is given the necessary time to prepare for it. If someone is afraid of snakes, their psychiatrist doesn't throw a surprise snake in their face when they walk through the door.

I think you're severely overestimating how many people want content warnings to facilitate relentless avoidance. In reality it's more like it's there so someone who is already having a shitty day doesn't encounter something to set off a panic attack.

As someone who actually suffers with anxiety I can tell you that I don't need trigger warnings.

Facing what causes my anxiety has been the most useful thing for helping me to overcome it.

What if, in some cases, the anxiety is legit though?

[Purgatio]

I don't see what's the big deal with wanting to draw attention to the lessons of history

If you actually read Marxist Literature, you would know that Marxism contradicts with liberals. In fact, Marxism is anti-Liberal.

I made it very clear that when I use the phrase "Cultural Marxism" I am not referring to Marxist-Leninism. I am drawing a historical analogy, in the same way as Marxists preached about how the ruling class developed a 'ruling ideology' which they brainwashed the public into believing through 'ideological state apparatuses' in order to oppress the proletariat through 'false consciousness', modern liberal and progressive cultural movements believe in a very similar worldview, they just have a different view of who are the oppressors and oppressed, but the structure is the same, a 'dominant ideology' which props up the oppression of particular groups of people through 'ideological state apparatuses', and the solution in both cases is blind iconoclasms and indiscriminate deconstruction of everything that forms the bedrock foundation of a nation, its culture, its values and its identity.

Are Marxism and cultural progressivism different? Obviously. But I think more attention needs to be drawn in the similarities in their worldview and saying the two aren't the same thing is a pedantic objection because it misses the point.

[Communal concils]

Encouraging people to avoid anxiety provoking situations or themes makes the anxiety worse. No anxiety disorder, including PTSD, is improved by avoiding the anxiety provoking stimulus. In fact, that's how disorders like agoraphobia worsen.
*have a panic attack in a specific place
*avoid that place because you had a panic attack there
*congratulations, the place itself is now a trigger.
*rinse and repeat until you can't leave home.

Source: ten years of GAD and Agoraphobia.

Agoraphobia can have a profound effect on one's quality of life, whereas people who have traumatic associations with such things as rape and child abuse can avoid detailed portrayals of these things without a major impact on their quality of life so I don't think that's a great comparison.

I also have GAD and I know that there is a right time and place for coping with one's anxiety but also times to avoid it. You can face the things that set off your anxiety in a good environment and in the right state of mind. But when you already have a mountain of shit on top of you, being forced to confront the sources of your anxiety isn't good. Even exposure therapy is done gradually, in a comfortable setting, and one is given the necessary time to prepare for it. If someone is afraid of snakes, their psychiatrist doesn't throw a surprise snake in their face when they walk through the door.

I think you're severely overestimating how many people want content warnings to facilitate relentless avoidance. In reality it's more like it's there so someone who is already having a shitty day doesn't encounter something to set off a panic attack.

If you truly want to stop mental issue like anxiety, then stop the source. changing the words of things isn't enough. If we are talking about rape, then you simply have to suppress and coerce those that do it, make punishments for those that do it and prevent it from happening.

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Agoraphobia can have a profound effect on one's quality of life, whereas people who have traumatic associations with such things as rape and child abuse can avoid detailed portrayals of these things without a major impact on their quality of life so I don't think that's a great comparison.

I also have GAD and I know that there is a right time and place for coping with one's anxiety but also times to avoid it. You can face the things that set off your anxiety in a good environment and in the right state of mind. But when you already have a mountain of shit on top of you, being forced to confront the sources of your anxiety isn't good. Even exposure therapy is done gradually, in a comfortable setting, and one is given the necessary time to prepare for it. If someone is afraid of snakes, their psychiatrist doesn't throw a surprise snake in their face when they walk through the door.

I think you're severely overestimating how many people want content warnings to facilitate relentless avoidance. In reality it's more like it's there so someone who is already having a shitty day doesn't encounter something to set off a panic attack.

As someone who actually suffers with anxiety I can tell you that I don't need trigger warnings.

Facing what causes my anxiety has been the most useful thing for helping me to overcome it.

"Actually." Seems quite presumptuous to declare your own anxiety is valid while others are not.

And I'm pretty sure you didn't actually read the post you quoted. There is a time to deal with anxiety and a time to avoid it. There's a difference between making progress on one's own terms and setting off anxiety when things are already bad.

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Agoraphobia can have a profound effect on one's quality of life, whereas people who have traumatic associations with such things as rape and child abuse can avoid detailed portrayals of these things without a major impact on their quality of life so I don't think that's a great comparison.

I also have GAD and I know that there is a right time and place for coping with one's anxiety but also times to avoid it. You can face the things that set off your anxiety in a good environment and in the right state of mind. But when you already have a mountain of shit on top of you, being forced to confront the sources of your anxiety isn't good. Even exposure therapy is done gradually, in a comfortable setting, and one is given the necessary time to prepare for it. If someone is afraid of snakes, their psychiatrist doesn't throw a surprise snake in their face when they walk through the door.

I think you're severely overestimating how many people want content warnings to facilitate relentless avoidance. In reality it's more like it's there so someone who is already having a shitty day doesn't encounter something to set off a panic attack.

If you truly want to stop mental issue like anxiety, then stop the source. changing the words of things isn't enough. If we are talking about rape, then you simply have to suppress and coerce those that do it, make punishments for those that do it and prevent it from happening.

Just because something isn't enough doesn't mean it's not important. Opioids don't heal third degree burns but it's still a good idea to mitigate the pain.

[Cekoviu]

Why does anybody care?

[Nova Cyberia]

As someone who actually suffers with anxiety I can tell you that I don't need trigger warnings.

Facing what causes my anxiety has been the most useful thing for helping me to overcome it.

"Actually." Seems quite presumptuous to declare your own anxiety is valid while others are not.

Well, it's become quite common for people to self-diagnose themselves with anxiety and OCD, despite never having officially been diagnosed with it by a doctor.

So yes, I actually suffer from anxiety.

And I'm pretty sure you didn't actually read the post you quoted. There is a time to deal with anxiety and a time to avoid it. There's a difference between making progress on one's own terms and setting off anxiety when things are already bad.

In pretty sure Gallo twice now provided you with evidence trigger warnings do more harm than good and you ignored him both times.

By the way, trigger warnings is just basic human decency. Like hey, I'm going to discuss rape so maybe you don't want to read this right now because it might bring up painful memories you don't want to relive right now. Is that so terrible? Is that the worst thing the evil cultural Marxists have come up with, just giving a heads up so people can decide for themselves if they want to proceed?

I mean, according to a recent harvard study, probably yes.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... lp-or-harm

A recently published Harvard study tackled these questions. Researchers Benjamin Bullet, Peyton Jones, and Richard McNally had participants read passages from literary texts like Moby-Dick or Crime and Punishment. But before reading these passages, half of the participants received a warning that read: “TRIGGER WARNING: The passage you are about to read contains disturbing content and may trigger an anxiety response, especially in those who have a history of trauma.”

The researchers found that being exposed to trigger warnings caused participants to rate both themselves and others as more vulnerable to developing PTSD. Trigger warnings led to no self-reported differences in anxiety between the two groups overall, but for participants who already held the belief that “words cause harm,” trigger warnings led to an increase in anxiety.

While this study provides some initial evidence for why trigger warnings can be harmful, it has a major limitation: It was conducted with the general public, not with traumatized participants. Since trigger warnings are specifically designed for people with PTSD or those who would otherwise be sensitive to upsetting content that reminds them of past trauma, more research needs to be conducted.

The authors of the study addressed this limitation in their paper, and author Peyton Jones said on Twitter that the researchers plan to do a follow-up study involving participants with trauma histories. But, the authors have also proposed that trigger warnings may be counterproductive for individuals with PTSD because they encourage people to avoid trauma. Research suggests that avoiding trauma, while beneficial in the short term, can worsen symptoms in the long-term. One of the most effective treatments for PTSD is prolonged exposure therapy, which encourages repeated exposure to triggers so that patients can get used to them and no longer find them upsetting.

[Amuaplye]

Can I just point out that the poll is biased?

Oh, and it's just a word. Who cares about if it's removed or not?

[Galloism]

In pretty sure Gallo twice now provided you with evidence trigger warnings do more harm than good and you ignored him both times.

My posts probably need trigger warnings.

[Cekoviu]

Can I just point out that the poll is biased?

Oh, and it's just a word. Who cares about if it's removed or not?

Shocking that NC would want to advance an agenda and use biased language. Truly, I'm surprised.

[Galloism]

Can I just point out that the poll is biased?

Oh, and it's just a word. Who cares about if it's removed or not?

Shocking that NC would want to advance an agenda and use biased language. Truly, I'm surprised.

Something something "tempest in a teacup".

[Scomagia]

Encouraging people to avoid anxiety provoking situations or themes makes the anxiety worse. No anxiety disorder, including PTSD, is improved by avoiding the anxiety provoking stimulus. In fact, that's how disorders like agoraphobia worsen.
*have a panic attack in a specific place
*avoid that place because you had a panic attack there
*congratulations, the place itself is now a trigger.
*rinse and repeat until you can't leave home.

Source: ten years of GAD and Agoraphobia.

Agoraphobia can have a profound effect on one's quality of life, whereas people who have traumatic associations with such things as rape and child abuse can avoid detailed portrayals of these things without a major impact on their quality of life so I don't think that's a great comparison.

I also have GAD and I know that there is a right time and place for coping with one's anxiety but also times to avoid it. You can face the things that set off your anxiety in a good environment and in the right state of mind. But when you already have a mountain of shit on top of you, being forced to confront the sources of your anxiety isn't good. Even exposure therapy is done gradually, in a comfortable setting, and one is given the necessary time to prepare for it. If someone is afraid of snakes, their psychiatrist doesn't throw a surprise snake in their face when they walk through the door.

I think you're severely overestimating how many people want content warnings to facilitate relentless avoidance. In reality it's more like it's there so someone who is already having a shitty day doesn't encounter something to set off a panic attack.

Oh yeah. Agoraphobia is its own special suck. It is legitimately the worst part of my life. The process of gradually worsening anxiety that I outlined goes for anything that causes pathological anxiety. Avoid it and it will expand. It absolutely applies to anxiety around child abuse and such. If you can't watch something for fear of a panic attack, you better watch the damn thing.

It depends. Since life is never going to give you trigger warnings, it doesn't make sense to only build people up to resist anticipated anxiety. For me, and you I expect, I don't get advanced warning every time something is going to bring about those horrible doomy, fainty, pukey feelings. And exposure therapy can be gradual. Sometimes, it isn't. Flooding is a valid tactic in some situations.

I think you are underestimating how important it is to be made anxious and uncomfortable without warning. Trigger warnings have no real life analogue so becoming dependent on them to know what to avoid is self sabotage.

[Communal concils]

If you actually read Marxist Literature, you would know that Marxism contradicts with liberals. In fact, Marxism is anti-Liberal.

I made it very clear that when I use the phrase "Cultural Marxism" I am not referring to Marxist-Leninism. I am drawing a historical analogy, in the same way as Marxists preached about how the ruling class developed a 'ruling ideology' which they brainwashed the public into believing through 'ideological state apparatuses' in order to oppress the proletariat through 'false consciousness', modern liberal and progressive cultural movements believe in a very similar worldview, they just have a different view of who are the oppressors and oppressed, but the structure is the same, a 'dominant ideology' which props up the oppression of particular groups of people through 'ideological state apparatuses', and the solution in both cases is blind iconoclasms and indiscriminate deconstruction of everything that forms the bedrock foundation of a nation, its culture, its values and its identity.

Are Marxism and cultural progressivism different? Obviously. But I think more attention needs to be drawn in the similarities in their worldview and saying the two aren't the same thing is a pedantic objection because it misses the point.

Marxism main concern is about economic and social views connected to the economic issues. The Social Liberal movements shouldn't be called Marxist because they don't really have a focus on economics. Marx barely talked about the homosexual, he never mentioned white privilege and never really complained about "abortion " rights. There is no cultural Marxism, your complaining about intersectionality, which isn't Marxist in origin. People like Michel Foucault might be the closest we have to cultural Marxism, but he gave up Marxism because the communist movement at the time rejected homosexuality.

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If this forum existed in the 80's, it would probably be about waitress being changed to server or policeman being changed to police officer and everyone's responses would be about the same.

[Scomagia]

As someone who actually suffers with anxiety I can tell you that I don't need trigger warnings.

Facing what causes my anxiety has been the most useful thing for helping me to overcome it.

What if, in some cases, the anxiety is legit though?

Elaborate?

[Amuaplye]

Can I just point out that the poll is biased?

Oh, and it's just a word. Who cares about if it's removed or not?

Shocking that NC would want to advance an agenda and use biased language. Truly, I'm surprised.

We all have agendas. So what?

[Communal concils]

If you truly want to stop mental issue like anxiety, then stop the source. changing the words of things isn't enough. If we are talking about rape, then you simply have to suppress and coerce those that do it, make punishments for those that do it and prevent it from happening.

Just because something isn't enough doesn't mean it's not important. Opioids don't heal third degree burns but it's still a good idea to mitigate the pain.

If you can't truly find solutions, then what is given is not really helpful. what I see here is just Hedonistic nonsense.

The concern is not the minimization of pain, but rather to just end it .
Changing the words of places does not really help with anything, you have to do real materialistic change. direct action is needed to combat sexual abuse, harassment and sexism. Maybe then will people not suffer from mental issues.

[Nakena]

What if, in some cases, the anxiety is legit though?

Elaborate?

Anexity of actual reasonable present dangers rather than perceived ones.

[Communal concils]

Shocking that NC would want to advance an agenda and use biased language. Truly, I'm surprised.

We all have agendas. So what?

I have an agenda of destroying current western civilization.


anyways, the OP does like to treat this issue as dramatic and serious.

society has fully degenerated to the point that people complain because "Man" is remove from a word. especially when it's a college.

When will this closet anti-intellectualism die !