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How relevant is height discrimination, and who does it affect the most?

Very relevant; men
10
20%
Relevant; men
17
35%
Not all that relevant; men
11
22%
Irrelevant; men
5
10%
Very relevant; women
2
4%
Relevant; women
1
2%
Not all that relevant; women
1
2%
Irrelevant; women
2
4%
 
Total votes : 49

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Postby US-SSR » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:22 am

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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:49 am

Chestaan wrote:I'm not sure if anyone else has found this, and not necessarily complaining, but have you guys/gals found that women are generally opposed to dating men who are even a year younger than them? Height and age are the two big things I found, but I will say that my girlfriend is two years older than me.

Have you seen that? That's never even crossed my mind as an issue - I don't have that preference and I don't think I've talked to anyone else that says they do.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:03 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Chestaan wrote:I'm not sure if anyone else has found this, and not necessarily complaining, but have you guys/gals found that women are generally opposed to dating men who are even a year younger than them? Height and age are the two big things I found, but I will say that my girlfriend is two years older than me.

Have you seen that? That's never even crossed my mind as an issue - I don't have that preference and I don't think I've talked to anyone else that says they do.

I'll admit that I might have a few unconscious biases with regard to height. My last two exes were both over six feet and at least a year or two older. I'm aware that I'd like to date someone who is taller than me when I'm wearing heels, but men will have an average of six inches on me without them, so... that's not really an issue. But the plural of anecdote isn't data.

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Postby Scomagia » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:13 pm

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Scomagia wrote:For insurance purposes.


Could you lift a 80lb lawnmower from the ground to chest height unaided ?

Do you think it's a reasonable thing for a 110lb 5'2" woman to have to perform ?

Or would you say that an 80lb lawnmower should be a two-person lift ?

What about a 120lb lawnmower ?

I could lift that as specified, yes. I wouldn't, though, because a lawn mower is an awkward load. It should be two person not because of the weight but because of the arrangement of the weight.

A better example would be a grain bag. And yes, an 80 pound sack of grain is well within the average woman's abilities to lift and carry, provided she maintains a reasonable base level of fitness.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:14 pm

Fahran wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Have you seen that? That's never even crossed my mind as an issue - I don't have that preference and I don't think I've talked to anyone else that says they do.

I'll admit that I might have a few unconscious biases with regard to height. My last two exes were both over six feet and at least a year or two older. I'm aware that I'd like to date someone who is taller than me when I'm wearing heels, but men will have an average of six inches on me without them, so... that's not really an issue. But the plural of anecdote isn't data.

I'm really just talking about age there. I won't dispute the height thing, because there's data showing that a near-majority of straight women have strong, conscious biases with regards to that.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:39 pm

I've managed being on the shorter side. The only time it really came up was at a cooking class (knife skills) where the counters were set at a comfortable height for six foot tall men, and I had been given a 10" chef's knife to cut with. The instructor called me out on my elbow being out to the side and "flapping like a wing". and I asked if he had a stool or something I could stand on. Once he came over and literally saw that it was not possible for me to cut properly, and got me a box, my form was suddenly just fine.

Anywhere else its been a matter of dragging over a chair or step stool, or asking an employee for help.

It is, however, I would guess from my experiences, more socially acceptable to be a petite woman than to be a petite man. I wouldn't comment, but I know others have.

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... nobody posted Randy Newman yet?

Nah. Nobody remembers that song; it's all You Got A Friend In Me now.
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Barboneia wrote:Honestly it feels like the only places where people complain about height affecting their chances at dating someone or whatever is mostly on 4chan, what with the manlet pits in /fit/ and a desire to be taller and etc... Now, personally, I’m 5’4”, and I can’t think of a single instance where I’ve ever been “discriminated” against due to my height.

Ever tried to go on a roller coaster?

It's a problem.

I'm shorter than five four and have never been turned away from a roller coaster.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:59 pm

Katganistan wrote:I've managed being on the shorter side. The only time it really came up was at a cooking class (knife skills) where the counters were set at a comfortable height for six foot tall men, and I had been given a 10" chef's knife to cut with. The instructor called me out on my elbow being out to the side and "flapping like a wing". and I asked if he had a stool or something I could stand on. Once he came over and literally saw that it was not possible for me to cut properly, and got me a box, my form was suddenly just fine.

Anywhere else its been a matter of dragging over a chair or step stool, or asking an employee for help.

It is, however, I would guess from my experiences, more socially acceptable to be a petite woman than to be a petite man. I wouldn't comment, but I know others have.

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Big monkey gets bullied by a bigger monkey, so the take out their frustration on an even smaller monkey. Who takes it on a still smaller monkey. Those at the bottom of the hierarchy are on the receiving end of the chain of bullying coming down from above. It has a detrimental effect on their lives. It's the same with wealth, power ...


... nobody posted Randy Newman yet?

Nah. Nobody remembers that song; it's all You Got A Friend In Me now.
Nova Cyberia wrote:Ever tried to go on a roller coaster?

It's a problem.

I'm shorter than five four and have never been turned away from a roller coaster.

I have been holding that in my back pocket for a while

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Postby New haven america » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:58 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Chestaan wrote:I'm not sure if anyone else has found this, and not necessarily complaining, but have you guys/gals found that women are generally opposed to dating men who are even a year younger than them? Height and age are the two big things I found, but I will say that my girlfriend is two years older than me.

Have you seen that? That's never even crossed my mind as an issue - I don't have that preference and I don't think I've talked to anyone else that says they do.

Oh yeah, there are women who would never date a man younger than they are because they either remind them of their younger brother or believe older men are vastly more mature and sensible.

Conversely, there are women who only want to date men around their age or younger than them, though they are much less common get up there in age (35+).
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:04 pm

So I say this as a person whose genes grace me with height, muscular build, and low body fat with a minimum working out.

We all have attributes that make us attractive from our genes and then we all have things we can do to improve our attractiveness such as career, education, and humor. Just learn to play the hand you are dealt.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:12 pm

I'm surprised that we've gone 15 pages without someone saying "Festivus yes! Bagels no!"...
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:13 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Katganistan wrote:I've managed being on the shorter side. The only time it really came up was at a cooking class (knife skills) where the counters were set at a comfortable height for six foot tall men, and I had been given a 10" chef's knife to cut with. The instructor called me out on my elbow being out to the side and "flapping like a wing". and I asked if he had a stool or something I could stand on. Once he came over and literally saw that it was not possible for me to cut properly, and got me a box, my form was suddenly just fine.

Anywhere else its been a matter of dragging over a chair or step stool, or asking an employee for help.

It is, however, I would guess from my experiences, more socially acceptable to be a petite woman than to be a petite man. I wouldn't comment, but I know others have.


Nah. Nobody remembers that song; it's all You Got A Friend In Me now.

I'm shorter than five four and have never been turned away from a roller coaster.

I have been holding that in my back pocket for a while

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3szOIV9jQ

You and I and a choice other few are probably the only ones who actually REMEMBER this song. :lol2:

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:25 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:I have been holding that in my back pocket for a while

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3szOIV9jQ

You and I and a choice other few are probably the only ones who actually REMEMBER this song. :lol2:


Thanks .... I think.

Randy has said he regrets writing it, though it is such a catchy tune.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:40 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Katganistan wrote:You and I and a choice other few are probably the only ones who actually REMEMBER this song. :lol2:


Thanks .... I think.

Randy has said he regrets writing it, though it is such a catchy tune.

He does have a pretty substantial body of work.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:52 pm

The legendary boxer Rocky Balboa was only 5'10, and he defeated both Apollo Creed (6'2) and Ivan Drago (6'5).
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:04 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:The legendary boxer Rocky Balboa was only 5'10, and he defeated both Apollo Creed (6'2) and Ivan Drago (6'5).

For a bit of reality, actual boxer Mike Tyson was only 5'10.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:07 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:The legendary boxer Rocky Balboa was only 5'10, and he defeated both Apollo Creed (6'2) and Ivan Drago (6'5).

For a bit of reality, actual boxer Mike Tyson was only 5'10.


Are you saying Rocky isn't real?
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:23 pm

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Scomagia wrote:For a bit of reality, actual boxer Mike Tyson was only 5'10.


Are you saying Rocky isn't real?

I'm saying that, as a boxing fan, those movies hurt me.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:23 pm

Scomagia wrote:
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Are you saying Rocky isn't real?

I'm saying that, as a boxing fan, those movies hurt me.


Rocky is real in my heart.
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Postby Forsher » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:26 pm

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Scomagia wrote:For a bit of reality, actual boxer Mike Tyson was only 5'10.


Are you saying Rocky isn't real?


That Rocky isn't.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:28 pm

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Scomagia wrote:For a bit of reality, actual boxer Mike Tyson was only 5'10.


Are you saying Rocky isn't real?

He is real, I'm watching him on TV right now!
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Postby US-SSR » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:38 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:I'm surprised that we've gone 15 pages without someone saying "Festivus yes! Bagels no!"...


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