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What is your favoured form of brexit?

Mays deal
28
5%
EFTA
36
6%
Some other sort of deal (please elaborate in the comments)
24
4%
Mays deal without Irish backstop
9
2%
No deal
132
23%
No deal+ (no deal minus NI and Scotland)
20
4%
I want a second referendum
208
37%
Revoke article 50 without even calling a referendum
105
19%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:01 pm

Zhivotnoye wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
>Nepotism is the granting of jobs to one's relatives in various fields, including business, politics, entertainment, sports, religion and other activities. Nepotism is the act of using one's power to get good jobs or unfair advantages for the members of your family when the members of your family do not deserve it.

Not sure how that's happening here.


Hmmm, it seems google failed me in a translation there :(

Maybe Cronyism is a better translation, or favouritism, not sure.
What i meant was that they are too busy with themselves, keeping their position and advancing their own personal goals, rather than leading the nation forward as they should.


You mean like the MPs pushing No Deal because they stand to personally profit from it?
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:19 pm

The division is now going...and Labour and SNP are just sitting there as expected.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:32 pm

Ayes: 293
Nos: 46
Abstentions and Absentees: 312

A worse showing than last time.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:44 pm

Shrillland wrote:Ayes: 293
Nos: 46
Abstentions and Absentees: 312

A worse showing than last time.

what happens now?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Ayes: 293
Nos: 46
Abstentions and Absentees: 312

A worse showing than last time.

what happens now?


Parliament shuts down until 14th October.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Ayes: 293
Nos: 46
Abstentions and Absentees: 312

A worse showing than last time.

what happens now?


Now the prorougation begins and nothing happens until October 14 when Parliament re-opens.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:46 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:what happens now?


Now the prorougation begins and nothing happens until October 14 when Parliament re-opens.

I dont think there is going to be a deal at this point and no deal Brexit is a near certainty

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Postby Auristania » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:00 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Zhivotnoye wrote:
Hmmm, it seems google failed me in a translation there :(

Maybe Cronyism is a better translation, or favouritism, not sure.
What i meant was that they are too busy with themselves, keeping their position and advancing their own personal goals, rather than leading the nation forward as they should.


You mean like the MPs pushing No Deal because they stand to personally profit from it?

Unlike Remoaner MPs obeying the Bankers' instructions.
It's not as if Bankers can reward their obedient minions.

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Postby Novus America » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Now the prorougation begins and nothing happens until October 14 when Parliament re-opens.

I dont think there is going to be a deal at this point and no deal Brexit is a near certainty


There will obviously be no deal but probably no Brexit at all. No they will not revoke Brexit either. Instead it will just be delayed again.
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Postby True Refuge » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:06 pm

Auristania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You mean like the MPs pushing No Deal because they stand to personally profit from it?

Unlike Remoaner MPs obeying the Bankers' instructions.
It's not as if Bankers can reward their obedient minions.


So wanting the economy not to tank means you're a banking industry puppet.

Okay.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:30 pm

And here's the roll: https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/717?byMember=false

Three independents and one Lib Dem voted for it, 23 Labourites voted against, and six Tories, 29 independents, and three TIGs abstained or were absent.

Now, the official prorougation address is going in the House of Lords.
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Postby Zhivotnoye » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:29 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Zhivotnoye wrote:
Hmmm, it seems google failed me in a translation there :(

Maybe Cronyism is a better translation, or favouritism, not sure.
What i meant was that they are too busy with themselves, keeping their position and advancing their own personal goals, rather than leading the nation forward as they should.


You mean like the MPs pushing No Deal because they stand to personally profit from it?


I can smell the bias from here.

But yes, among others.

Novus America wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I dont think there is going to be a deal at this point and no deal Brexit is a near certainty


There will obviously be no deal but probably no Brexit at all. No they will not revoke Brexit either. Instead it will just be delayed again.


Let's hope not.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:50 pm

Former ambassador to the US Kim Darroch is now officially Lord Darroch: https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-british-diplomat-targeted-trump-made-lord-013222622.html
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Postby Cupofchar » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:46 pm

I wonder what they're going to talk about at their conferences?

Most of their speeches have probably been written for three years.

Old garbage, recycled?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:13 am

Cupofchar wrote:I wonder what they're going to talk about at their conferences?


General elections.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:15 am

Zhivotnoye wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You mean like the MPs pushing No Deal because they stand to personally profit from it?


I can smell the bias from here.

But yes, among others.


And what bias would that be?
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:08 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
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And you don't have to stay in the same country.

That has always been the plan, however all countries charge for services I never plan to use. A fairer solution would be to allow for an opt-out of things that you don't want to use, with the catch that if you don't pay for it you can't use them.


Deal with it. No country wants to provide the service that you want to you, so you can't get it. Deal with it.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:13 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Novus America wrote:
But you cannot rent half a bedroom.
And I bet you you cannot rent just the bedroom in a one bedroom flat.

Also I said just the bathroom, not the bedroom. You cannot just rent that.

Because it would make it very hard to rent out the rest.

And again why should everyone be forced to follow only your approved business model?

Many owners will not rent out only part of a property. Some do, some do not.

Because it allows for increased customisation. Choice is always better than not having it.


And yet you wish to remove the choice of business model from business owners.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:17 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Because it allows for increased customisation. Choice is always better than not having it.


And yet you wish to remove the choice of business model from business owners.

Is the country a business owner? If it is, then surely it should be ran for profit, yes? We can get rid of minimum wage laws and health and safety regulations and unions?
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:19 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
And yet you wish to remove the choice of business model from business owners.

Is the country a business owner?


Yes.

If it is, then surely it should be ran for profit, yes?


If it wants to be. As it turns out, it doesn't want to be, much like a great many other businesses.

We can get rid of minimum wage laws and health and safety regulations and unions?


All of those would be a net loss for the government.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:29 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Is the country a business owner?


Yes.

If it is, then surely it should be ran for profit, yes?


If it wants to be. As it turns out, it doesn't want to be, much like a great many other businesses.

We can get rid of minimum wage laws and health and safety regulations and unions?


All of those would be a net loss for the government.

We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:59 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes.



If it wants to be. As it turns out, it doesn't want to be, much like a great many other businesses.



All of those would be a net loss for the government.

We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!


Let's see your supporting evidence. Or are you just assuming that because workhouses were a thing in Victorian times they must be a brilliant idea now too?
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:52 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes.



If it wants to be. As it turns out, it doesn't want to be, much like a great many other businesses.



All of those would be a net loss for the government.

We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!


Taxation is extortion according to you, but forcing people into workhouses is perfectly fine. Your political opinions are incoherent, infantile and narcissistic.
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Postby Duhon » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:55 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes.



If it wants to be. As it turns out, it doesn't want to be, much like a great many other businesses.



All of those would be a net loss for the government.

We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!


is this a fucking joke
are you fucking kidding me
if this is what you want
fuck you

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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Yes.



If it wants to be. As it turns out, it doesn't want to be, much like a great many other businesses.



All of those would be a net loss for the government.

We could make a profit by getting rid of minimum wage laws and making economic generation mandatory, everyone who isn't generating income ends up working for very little in poor conditions. This way we can solve our issues with the shortage of people taking up unskilled labour, which could result in a higher standard of living for everybody else. We'd attract so much investment that we'd become the next super-rich nation!

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