UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Brexit claims another victim. Poor Bercow.

The speakers job is to be neutral. He should have given it more thought.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Brexit claims another victim. Poor Bercow.

I wonder where the Conservatives are going to find quality candidates to replace all the ones standing down.

[The New California Republic]

Brexit claims another victim. Poor Bercow.

The speakers job is to be neutral. He should have given it more thought.

He seemed pretty neutral to me.

[Nimzonia]

Brexit claims another victim. Poor Bercow.

I wonder where the Conservatives are going to find quality candidates to replace all the ones standing down.

I expect they'll just have a rummage through Nigel Farage's bin.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I shall miss his ties.

[Vassenor]

Brexit claims another victim. Poor Bercow.

The speakers job is to be neutral. He should have given it more thought.

Refusing to be blindly pro-Brexit seems pretty neutral to me.

[Shrillland]

I shall miss his ties.

No, you won't. He'll be Lord Bercow after this and get to speak in the House of Lords.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It is a crime to evade taxation.

Tax evasion and tax avoidance are very different things.

Well, yes, indeed! That’s very clever.

Having undisclosed foreign bank accounts is tax evasion and a crime, though.

[Greater Loegria]

Good Riddance to Bercow for the most part.

Granted he could be quite funny at times and in terms of in-session discipline kept the MPs in line better than some of his predecessors however he was a moderniser and did away with much of the garb that so characterises the job and did away with wigs for the clerks too which was awful. Not only that but the man despite his best efforts was quite partisan and his wife was a flagrant agitator on certain matters.

[North German Realm]

Someone "good".

It's not a crime to want to keep more of your money.

It's a crime to evade taxation. One I'd argue is worse than any form of non-physical violent crime in its nature.

[Greater Loegria]

It's not a crime to want to keep more of your money.

It's a crime to evade taxation. One I'd argue is worse than any form of non-physical violent crime in its nature.

….

Violent crimes tend to be 'physical'...?

[Souseiseki]

if the lib dems actually go forward with the idea of soaking up the tories and abandoning social liberalism in favour of trying to become tory lite and replacing them as the other big party in the two party system then i will completely fucking lose it and write off your country as doomed to authortarianism-lite forever

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Curious that you decided to snip the other half of my post.

<shrugs>



I forgot to mention - there is another set of results which break down what repondents think is preferable based on their position on Brexit and likely voting intentions. Thats probably more enlightening.

I feel like I should clarify here that I'm on school wifi and I can't actually see the images you're posting.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Someone "good".

It's not a crime to want to keep more of your money.

True, but it is a crime to avoid taxation.
It's not a crime to want anything. Thoughtcrime, thankfully, does not exist outside autocratic states, a category that the UK does not fall into.

[Heloin]

I shall miss his ties.

No, you won't. He'll be Lord Bercow after this and get to speak in the House of Lords.

Lord of the Ties.

[North German Realm]

It's a crime to evade taxation. One I'd argue is worse than any form of non-physical violent crime in its nature.

….

Violent crimes tend to be 'physical'...?

Sure, but many physical crimes aren't violent.

[Hirota]

Tax evasion and tax avoidance are very different things.

Well, yes, indeed! That’s very clever.

Having undisclosed foreign bank accounts is tax evasion and a crime, though.

I'm pretty certain Mogg was named in the paradise papers because he partially owned a company based in the Isle of Man that was sold. I'm not certain there was ever evidence he avoided taxation.
On a train at the mo though so it's tricky to verify. Someone want to check? Or you can wait till I get home and with a post work beer in my hands.

Edit: That source itself says...

He subsequently got $680,000 (£520,000) when it was bought up by Canada’s Bank of Montreal in 2011.

There is no suggestion he avoided tax on any profit – but this most recent revelation is being used as fuel to the fire by his critics who see this as further evidence that he is 'out of touch' with voters

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So why we are talking about "tax evasion" when original source says there is no evidence of tax evasion is a mystery to me. NSG's collective illiteracy is disappointing.

[Salandriagado]

You just provided it: there's nothing there that's anywhere near a fast enough reduction to get us anywhere close to 0 emissions by 2050.

How not? The UK's carbon emissions per capita have dropped by almost 50 % since 1980. They are over 1/3 lower than that of germany, much lower than the Netherlands, at a similar level to Italy and only a little higher than France and spain. A third of the united states, much lower than Japan, less than half of Canada, and around half of Australia. Amongst developed countries, we actually have a good record, and it has only improved during a conservative government.

And absolutely none of that says anything about whether these proposals are sufficient to get us to zero emissions by 2050.

[Fartsniffage]

Humble address approved for debate. The Queen is going to be pissed....

[Nimzonia]

Granted he could be quite funny at times and in terms of in-session discipline kept the MPs in line better than some of his predecessors however he was a moderniser and did away with much of the garb that so characterises the job and did away with wigs for the clerks too which was awful.

Good for him. I hope his successor is also able to tell the difference between a 21st century legislature and a Merrie Olde England theme park.

[Vassenor]

Good Riddance to Bercow for the most part.

Granted he could be quite funny at times and in terms of in-session discipline kept the MPs in line better than some of his predecessors however he was a moderniser and did away with much of the garb that so characterises the job and did away with wigs for the clerks too which was awful. Not only that but the man despite his best efforts was quite partisan and his wife was a flagrant agitator on certain matters.

So what did he do that was partisan and how was it objectively bad?

[Ifreann]

I shall miss his ties.

No, you won't. He'll be Lord Bercow after this and get to speak in the House of Lords.

No he won't. The Tories decided a few months ago that Bercow wouldn't be getting a lordship.

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Good Riddance to Bercow for the most part.

Granted he could be quite funny at times and in terms of in-session discipline kept the MPs in line better than some of his predecessors however he was a moderniser and did away with much of the garb that so characterises the job and did away with wigs for the clerks too which was awful. Not only that but the man despite his best efforts was quite partisan and his wife was a flagrant agitator on certain matters.

What does his wife have to do with anything?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It's not a crime to want to keep more of your money.

It's a crime to evade taxation. One I'd argue is worse than any form of non-physical violent crime in its nature.

It's more like self-defence honestly. I see taxation as nothing better than extortion.

[North German Realm]

It's a crime to evade taxation. One I'd argue is worse than any form of non-physical violent crime in its nature.

It's more like self-defence honestly. I see taxation as nothing better than extortion.

And you're wrong.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It's more like self-defence honestly. I see taxation as nothing better than extortion.

And you're wrong.

'pay me money or bad things will happen to you?'