UK Politics Thread X: Boris' Big Bonkers Brexit Bash

[The New California Republic]

now the pound will go up which is all we fucking need.

Terrible(!)

[Nakena]

He will pack the House of Lords now. Just wait.

[Ostroeuropa]

He will pack the House of Lords now. Just wait.

It's been devolved to an independent committee and they're not going to do that.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

He will pack the House of Lords now. Just wait.

All hope is not yet gone.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

the best thing they could do now is ask the Hungarians for a favour.

[Ostroeuropa]

He may well do, the right leaning papers that aren't full blown populist have started saying Corbyn is better than Brexit.

The absolute boy just needs to pick up a bit of patriotic populism to beat the Tories with and he's got it.

Idk. He should preach to the choir and try and turn out the vote while Starmer goes after potential Liberal swings and they let others go after the populists. Corbyn has never been good at nationalism or patriotism and his record would make it insincere. There is no need for Corbyn to visit every voting bloc himself, he needs to delegate.

Starmer is also a socialist, but he's a human rights lawyer with that kind of record so he can pitch them on social issues. (Starmer is probably leader after Corbyn.).

[Ifreann]

Well hopefully Corbyn will win, because honestly fuck Bojo and this government.

If labour and friends hadn't acted so immaturely the government would be pretty successful.

Sounds like the opposition is the real government now.

[Ifreann]

the best thing they could do now is ask the Hungarians for a favour.

"New phone, who dis?" - Hungary

[Liriena]

The absolute boy just needs to pick up a bit of patriotic populism to beat the Tories with and he's got it.

Idk. He should preach to the choir and try and turn out the vote while Starmer goes after potential Liberal swings and they let others go after the populists. Corbyn has never been good at nationalism or patriotism and his record would make it insincere. There is no need for Corbyn to visit every voting bloc himself, he needs to delegate.

How about John McDonnell?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

If labour and friends hadn't acted so immaturely the government would be pretty successful.

Sounds like the opposition is the real government now.

Sounds like we don't have a government because the opposition can't agree on anything aside from stopping Brexit at all costs.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Time for a caretaker government headed by Ken Clarke as PM.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Idk. He should preach to the choir and try and turn out the vote while Starmer goes after potential Liberal swings and they let others go after the populists. Corbyn has never been good at nationalism or patriotism and his record would make it insincere. There is no need for Corbyn to visit every voting bloc himself, he needs to delegate.

How about John McDonnell?

Do you mean the utter cockwomble who had to be told not to make policy announcements which are incorrect at the Edinburgh Fringe?

[Ostroeuropa]

Idk. He should preach to the choir and try and turn out the vote while Starmer goes after potential Liberal swings and they let others go after the populists. Corbyn has never been good at nationalism or patriotism and his record would make it insincere. There is no need for Corbyn to visit every voting bloc himself, he needs to delegate.

How about John McDonnell?

I'm pretty sure McDonnell is just going to keep trying to convince them Marx was right or some shit and that's not going to fly. My bet would be one of the Welsh MPs given that they're accustomed to patriotism and nationalism rhetoric and how to fuse it with socialism. It's also better optics for a Welsh MP to be raving about the national values and greatness of the UK.

[Ifreann]

Sounds like the opposition is the real government now.

Sounds like we don't have a government because the opposition can't agree on anything aside from stopping Brexit at all costs.

Shouldn't be a problem, for years now the government hasn't agreed on anything aside from stopping Corbyn at all costs.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Sounds like we don't have a government because the opposition can't agree on anything aside from stopping Brexit at all costs.

Shouldn't be a problem, for years now the government hasn't agreed on anything aside from stopping Corbyn at all costs.

Corbyn would make everything worse, the idiot wants to allow people to buy out rented houses.

[Old Tyrannia]

Well hopefully Corbyn will win, because honestly fuck Bojo and this government.

He may well do, the right leaning papers that aren't full blown populist have started saying Corbyn is better than Brexit.

God willing, Corbyn might get into power and manage to negotiate a new deal. If we actually manage to leave the European Union with a half-decent deal under a Corbyn government, you have my solemn promise that I will change my avatar to a red flag and put "Comrade Corbyn Is Almost Always Right" in my signature. Only "almost" always, though, because he's still a republican.

[Shrillland]

And here's the roll: https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/715

Three Labour rebels voted Yes: Kate Hoey, Ronnie Campbell, and Stephen Hepburn; one Independent voted yes: Charlie Elphicke

28 Labour MPs voted no including Margaret Beckett, Owen Smith, and Jess Phillips as did seven independents including Ken Clarke

Two Conservatives either abstained or were absent: Keith Simpson and Dame Caroline Spelman, Most of the independents and excommed Tories also abstained as did the SNP, Labour, Caroline Lucas and one Lib Dem, Sarah Wollaston

[Greater vakolicci haven]

He may well do, the right leaning papers that aren't full blown populist have started saying Corbyn is better than Brexit.

God willing, Corbyn might get into power and manage to negotiate a new deal. If we actually manage to leave the European Union with a half-decent deal under a Corbyn government, you have my solemn promise that I will change my avatar to a red flag and put "Comrade Corbyn Is Almost Always Right" in my signature. Only "almost" always, though, because he's still a republican.

If he goes full remain though he's doomed in quite a lot of his constituencies.

[Ostroeuropa]

You could go full blown old school and have one of the Christian Socialist Welsh MPs go full cromwellian shit at them and scream that this nation will succeed at investing in schools, welfare, and infrastructure BECAUSE IT IS A GODLY NATION AND WE WALK HAND IN HAND WITH THE LORD WHEN WE DO SO!

Bonus points if they then flip out about parliament having too much luxurious stuff in it and command people to remove "these baubles" while tearing at the leather on the seats for being sinful.

But that might give everyone else in the country an embolism when they realize what Welsh socialism is sometimes like.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You could go full blown old school and have one of the Christian Socialist Welsh MPs go full cromwellian shit at them and scream that this nation will succeed at investing in schools, welfare, and infrastructure BECAUSE IT IS A GODLY NATION AND WE WALK HAND IN HAND WITH THE LORD WHEN WE DO SO!

But that might give everyone else in the country an embolism when they realize what Welsh socialism is sometimes like.

Seriously? Salvation army level stuff?

[Ostroeuropa]

You could go full blown old school and have one of the Christian Socialist Welsh MPs go full cromwellian shit at them and scream that this nation will succeed at investing in schools, welfare, and infrastructure BECAUSE IT IS A GODLY NATION AND WE WALK HAND IN HAND WITH THE LORD WHEN WE DO SO!

But that might give everyone else in the country an embolism when they realize what Welsh socialism is sometimes like.

Seriously? Salvation army level stuff?

Every now and then mate. It results in a "Woh mate, calm down. We're not religious anymore, that's all well and good for church, you do you. The socialism is nice but keep the god stuff on the down low, kay?", but I won't deny the ones who occasionally let the mask slip are the most fanatical socialists, probably because it's a legit good or evil heaven or hell thing for them under the mask.

My bet would be to go for a Welsh MP whose more secular but nationalistic when campaigning in wales and ask them to just adjust their rhetoric to apply to the UK, then send them out into heavy Leave areas.

[Liriena]

How about John McDonnell?

I'm pretty sure McDonnell is just going to keep trying to convince them Marx was right or some shit and that's not going to fly. My bet would be one of the Welsh MPs given that they're accustomed to patriotism and nationalism rhetoric and how to fuse it with socialism.

Cool, cool, cool.

They could and probably should consider doing a bit of Peronism, discourse-wise. Be "national and popular". Hammer in the idea that their opponents are elitist, anti-patriotic traitors who despise The People and will sell The Fatherland off to the highest bidder. If our history is anything to go by, there's a lot of power in framing and marketing your political party as something other than a political party, as a broader movement that's inseparable from national and popular identity. You can get away with lots of socialism like that.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

There is no reason now for the Brexit Party not to take on the Conservatives in all constituencies.

[Old Tyrannia]

You could go full blown old school and have one of the Christian Socialist Welsh MPs go full cromwellian shit at them and scream that this nation will succeed at investing in schools, welfare, and infrastructure BECAUSE IT IS A GODLY NATION AND WE WALK HAND IN HAND WITH THE LORD WHEN WE DO SO!

Bonus points if they then flip out about parliament having too much luxurious stuff in it and command people to remove "these baubles" while tearing at the leather on the seats for being sinful.

But that might give everyone else in the country an embolism when they realize what Welsh socialism is sometimes like.

Doesn't sound too bad to me, other than perhaps the "Cromwellian" bit. I'm quite sympathetic towards Christian Socialism, at least when it's allied to a general constitutional conservatism. I would like to live in a country where Labour was dominated by Christian Socialists and social patriots whilst the Conservative Party was stacked with One Nation and High Tories.

[Souseiseki]

all he needs to do is not fuck it and stop being such a whiny commie over free movement of labour and how he thinks we'd be happily toiling in the factories and picking the fields ourselves for £12 a pop without it.

just change freedom of movement within EU rules just enough so that he can call it "free movement of workers" (a phrase which he mentioned at before) and then go for single market and customs unions. boom. a decent majority of remainers on board and a slim majority of leavers. boom. pack it up, send it home and be done with this bullshit. if this sounds like the exact same thing i've been saying for the past three years, it is because it is precisely what i have been saying for the past three years. it is so simple yet he will never do it.