LGBT School Row

[Scomagia]

Did, we, like, forget that there's more to this LGBTQ+ thing than gay men?

Not to mention that gay men don't all have anal sex.

I would talk about how homosexuality is a commonly observed phenomenon in nature, but I think we're a little off track already. This programme isn't to teach people that being gay is good, it's just trying to teach them that other sexualities and gender identities exist. Which is a point of fact, not ideology.

That gay people exist seems like an ideology to those people who don't want them to exist.

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I've never took a dump that particularly stimulated my prostate. What the fuck are you eating?

That's just what I've been told. ¯\(°_o)/¯

You might want to stop believing the things you hear when you're tripping on Peyote, Ifreann.

[Threlizdun]

It's super weird how some people seem to equate homosexuality with anal sex.

I just said my issue was with sodomy, not homosexuality. Homosexuals who remain chaste are good people.

And the prostate just feels good when it's stimulated because...?

Ignoring how far from all LGBT people engage in butt stuff as well.

Lots of things feel good, doesn't mean that its morally right. Every form of sex other than marital intercourse is immoral. Fact.

Not all LGBT people do that you know, so it's asinine to use that flawed argument against all of them.

I never said they did. I just said sodomy was the issue. Though, all forms of sex that aren't marital intercourse are immoral.

Schools aren't meant to teach religious dogma, but to educate students about themselves and the world around them. Regardless of what you want, people are going to have non-marital sex. Most people are going to have non-marital sex at some point in fact. It is the responsibility of the schools to ensure that when they do that, they have the knowledge on how to do it safely and responsibly, and that the lessons on how to do so are accommodating to all people, not merely cishet people.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Not to mention that gay men don't all have anal sex.


That gay people exist seems like an ideology to those people who don't want them to exist.

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That's just what I've been told. ¯\(°_o)/¯

You might want to stop believing the things you hear when you're tripping on Peyote, Ifreann.

Just slide one out for the big lad upstairs

[Scomagia]

What if Aists are extremely good at reproduction and usage of intimidation to keep people from leaving it?

That still wouldn’t work. Reproduction can only do so much if you’re a literal murder cult.

Tell that to most of the world.

Most of the world is foolish in that regard, yes.

Parents absolutely have some limited rights to their children and, more importantly, children have rights to their parents.

I disagree. Children have a right to a proper, non-abusive upbringing. Legal guardians are granted powers to carry that out. The children can be removed from their custody if they fail in their responsibilities.

Yes and other rights can be suspended based on illegal conduct, as well. They're still rights. Children have a right to know their parents, provided certain basic requirements of health and safety are met.

[Ghosteria]

So I personally believe that this shouldn't be taught to children that are so young. This is because of how suggestible children are they may start to believe that they themselves are homosexual or transsexual. Now, many people say that you're born like this, however, many things become reality within the mind of a child if they're exposed to it enough. Because of this I don't think that it should be taught until highschool. And even then it should be optional.

[Great Kauthar]

I just said my issue was with sodomy, not homosexuality. Homosexuals who remain chaste are good people.


Lots of things feel good, doesn't mean that its morally right. Every form of sex other than marital intercourse is immoral. Fact.


I never said they did. I just said sodomy was the issue. Though, all forms of sex that aren't marital intercourse are immoral.

And marital sodomy is immoral to, according to you?

YES it's disgusting.

I just said my issue was with sodomy, not homosexuality. Homosexuals who remain chaste are good people.

So if gay people have sex they are not good people then?

Correct

Every form of sex other than marital intercourse is immoral. Fact.

Nope.avi

Yes.

I never said they did. I just said sodomy was the issue. Though, all forms of sex that aren't marital intercourse are immoral.

You pretty much were. You were using that as the thing to say that it was immoral.

I said that sex between man and man, and woman and woman, was unnatural.

Those goalposts stay right where they were. You said "unnatural," not "morally right."

Yes, something being unnatural makes it morally wrong.

If buttsex was unnatural then it would not be pleasurable.

So the only criteria for something to be unnatural is that it doesn't feel good. You're very smart.

And AGAIN you are ignoring all the LGBT people who have sex that isn't anal.

The only form of sex that's moral is matiral intercourse.

And I'd love to see how you can justify calling "every form of sex other than marital intercourse is immoral" a fact. What the hell does "marital intercourse" even mean?

Because the Bible is quite clear when it says that, making it a fact. Marital intercourse = Sexual intercourse taking place between a married couple.

[Ors Might]

That still wouldn’t work. Reproduction can only do so much if you’re a literal murder cult.


Most of the world is foolish in that regard, yes.


I disagree. Children have a right to a proper, non-abusive upbringing. Legal guardians are granted powers to carry that out. The children can be removed from their custody if they fail in their responsibilities.

Yes and other rights can be suspended based on illegal conduct, as well. They're still rights. Children have a right to know their parents, provided certain basic requirements of health and safety are met.

Do children conceived via sperm donations have a right to know the provider?

[Necroghastia]

So I personally believe that this shouldn't be taught to children that are so young. This is because of how suggestible children are they may start to believe that they themselves are homosexual or transsexual. Now, many people say that you're born like this, however, many things become reality within the mind of a child if they're exposed to it enough. Because of this I don't think that it should be taught until highschool. And even then it should be optional.

Which is so bad... why?

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

(Preface: I'm gay. This is important because some of my opinions, if taken out of context, can be seen as homophobic, and as a gay man, I am tired of being called homophobic.) You can't just hide that stuff from your kids. It's extremely common to see LGBT related things now, so unless you lock them in a basement until they're adults, they're going to see it. The point is to educate them about it and teach them that it's OK. If they see it and they don't understand, they'll ask their parents, who in this situation, are stupid bigots and will spread their propaganda to their kids, creating more bigots. The schools need to teach that being LGBT is fine and completely natural, and not: 1. Ridicule LGBT people 2. Encourage the kids to become LGBT or 3. Demonize the children's parents because of their bigoted beliefs.

You can teach kids to treat all people with dignity without discussing all this.

[Ifreann]

It's super weird how some people seem to equate homosexuality with anal sex.

I just said my issue was with sodomy, not homosexuality. Homosexuals who remain chaste are good people.

Do not turn this thread into a house of lies.

... two people of the same gender having sex is not natural, and is extremely harmful.

You very clearly think that gay sex is wrong and unnatural, and when asked to elaborate you referred to sodomy. There is such a thing as gay sex that is not anal sex.

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basic morals

"gay people bad" is not "basic morals"

Being gay is good actually. *nods*

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Not to mention that gay men don't all have anal sex.


That gay people exist seems like an ideology to those people who don't want them to exist.

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That's just what I've been told. ¯\(°_o)/¯

You might want to stop believing the things you hear when you're tripping on Peyote, Ifreann.

I didn't say I believed it.

[Ors Might]

And marital sodomy is immoral to, according to you?

YES it's disgusting.

So if gay people have sex they are not good people then?

Correct

Nope.avi

Yes.

You pretty much were. You were using that as the thing to say that it was immoral.

I said that sex between man and man, and woman and woman, was unnatural.

Those goalposts stay right where they were. You said "unnatural," not "morally right."

Yes, something being unnatural makes it morally wrong.

If buttsex was unnatural then it would not be pleasurable.

So the only criteria for something to be unnatural is that it doesn't feel good. You're very smart.

And AGAIN you are ignoring all the LGBT people who have sex that isn't anal.

The only form of sex that's moral is matiral intercourse.

And I'd love to see how you can justify calling "every form of sex other than marital intercourse is immoral" a fact. What the hell does "marital intercourse" even mean?

Because the Bible is quite clear when it says that, making it a fact. Marital intercourse = Sexual intercourse taking place between a married couple.

The Bible is not a great source of morality, nor is it one quite a few of us subscribe to. We don’t care what it says.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So if gay people have sex they are not good people then?

Correct

Nope.avi

Yes.

What a fucking sad viewpoint to hold.

Well thankfully you and your god dont get to dictate whats moral and what isnt.

[Fartsniffage]

(Preface: I'm gay. This is important because some of my opinions, if taken out of context, can be seen as homophobic, and as a gay man, I am tired of being called homophobic.) You can't just hide that stuff from your kids. It's extremely common to see LGBT related things now, so unless you lock them in a basement until they're adults, they're going to see it. The point is to educate them about it and teach them that it's OK. If they see it and they don't understand, they'll ask their parents, who in this situation, are stupid bigots and will spread their propaganda to their kids, creating more bigots. The schools need to teach that being LGBT is fine and completely natural, and not: 1. Ridicule LGBT people 2. Encourage the kids to become LGBT or 3. Demonize the children's parents because of their bigoted beliefs.

You can teach kids to treat all people with dignity without discussing all this.

And that is exactly what the schools are doing.

[Vassenor]

This is because of how suggestible children are they may start to believe that they themselves are homosexual or transsexual.

Fun fact: This doesn't actually happen in the really real world, no matter how much the self-appointed moral guardians wax lyrical about it.

[The New California Republic]

You pretty much were. You were using that as the thing to say that it was immoral.

I said that sex between man and man, and woman and woman, was unnatural.

You are talking nonsense. This is what you said:

however the schools should be teaching the reality that is two people of the same gender having sex is not natural, and is extremely harmful.

And when asked for clarification on that, you said this:

Sodomy is objectively unnatural. The anus is clearly meant for stuff to come out of it, not for sexual penetration.

So stop lying. The evidence of what you said is right there.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I just said my issue was with sodomy, not homosexuality. Homosexuals who remain chaste are good people.

So if gay people have sex they are not good people then?

It depends, like all forms of intercourse, on their intentions in having sex, imo. If they're having sex to satisfy themselves, then it's sinful, like with all intercourse, but if they're having sex as an expression of love for one-another, then I would say it is morally permissible or even perhaps good, but it's an issue I struggle with. That said, I think it's possible to be a good person without following all of the commandments, as long as one follows the Two Great Commandments, which is possible while engaging in homosexuality.

[Scomagia]

And marital sodomy is immoral to, according to you?

YES it's disgusting.

So if gay people have sex they are not good people then?

Correct

Nope.avi

Yes.

You pretty much were. You were using that as the thing to say that it was immoral.

I said that sex between man and man, and woman and woman, was unnatural.

Those goalposts stay right where they were. You said "unnatural," not "morally right."

Yes, something being unnatural makes it morally wrong.

If buttsex was unnatural then it would not be pleasurable.

So the only criteria for something to be unnatural is that it doesn't feel good. You're very smart.

And AGAIN you are ignoring all the LGBT people who have sex that isn't anal.

The only form of sex that's moral is matiral intercourse.

And I'd love to see how you can justify calling "every form of sex other than marital intercourse is immoral" a fact. What the hell does "marital intercourse" even mean?

Because the Bible is quite clear when it says that, making it a fact. Marital intercourse = Sexual intercourse taking place between a married couple.

I don't find it disgusting, I find it to be a pleasurable experience with my wife. I don't care much for the antiquated authoritarianism of a supposedly "holy" book. If my wife and I want to get down to some marital sodomy, that's what's going to happen, Allah and Jesus be damned.

[Threlizdun]

So I personally believe that this shouldn't be taught to children that are so young. This is because of how suggestible children are they may start to believe that they themselves are homosexual or transsexual. Now, many people say that you're born like this, however, many things become reality within the mind of a child if they're exposed to it enough. Because of this I don't think that it should be taught until highschool. And even then it should be optional.

Why is it inappropriate to teach children about homosexuality and gender identity at a young age but appropriate to teach them about heterosexuality? Is it not much more likely that LGBTQ children taught about only one sexual orientation are much more likely to grow up confused thinking they are heterosexual or cisgender than it is for children to become confused if we just speak to them honestly and let them figure it out for themselves? What's even wrong with kids being curious? If they think they might be gay but it turns out that they aren't, then nothing was lost from them questioning things. If anything it allows them to have more confidence in their identities.

[Necroghastia]

And marital sodomy is immoral to, according to you?

YES it's disgusting.

Why?

You pretty much were. You were using that as the thing to say that it was immoral.

I said that sex between man and man, and woman and woman, was unnatural.

Which is totally why it can be observed amongst a large amount of the animal kingdom.

Those goalposts stay right where they were. You said "unnatural," not "morally right."

Yes, something being unnatural makes it morally wrong.

Better get off your computer/smartphone, then. That's super unnatural.

If buttsex was unnatural then it would not be pleasurable.

So the only criteria for something to be unnatural is that it doesn't feel good. You're very smart.

Nice job missing the point. Why is there a pleasure buzzer in the booty if it's unnatural?

And AGAIN you are ignoring all the LGBT people who have sex that isn't anal.

The only form of sex that's moral is matiral intercourse.

And I'd love to see how you can justify calling "every form of sex other than marital intercourse is immoral" a fact. What the hell does "marital intercourse" even mean?

Because the Bible is quite clear when it says that, making it a fact. Marital intercourse = Sexual intercourse taking place between a married couple.

Source that the Bible is the objective truth of everything.
Also is anal within the confines of marriage ok then? Oral? Anything other than missionary for the sole purpose of procreation?

[Liriena]

This is because of how suggestible children are they may start to believe that they themselves are homosexual or transsexual.

Fun fact: This doesn't actually happen in the really real world, no matter how much the self-appointed moral guardians wax lyrical about it.

And, if this study is anything to go by, the children who do consider themselves trans actually mean it and are generally correct.

[Great Kauthar]

Correct



Yes.

What a fucking sad viewpoint to hold.

Well thankfully you and your god dont get to dictate whats moral and what isnt.

Even if you don't believe in God, nature exists to enforce it. That's why STDs are so common among those who partake in immoral sexual practises.

I said that sex between man and man, and woman and woman, was unnatural.

You are talking nonsense. This is what you said:

however the schools should be teaching the reality that is two people of the same gender having sex is not natural, and is extremely harmful.

And when asked for clarification on that, you said this:

Sodomy is objectively unnatural. The anus is clearly meant for stuff to come out of it, not for sexual penetration.

So stop lying. The evidence of what you said is right there.

Well yeah and I'm correct in saying that. Two people of the same gender having sex with each other is harmful. That's an objective fact and a simple look at the sheer scale of mental health issues, drug abuse issues and disease issues that sexually active LGB people have justifies it.

I just said my issue was with sodomy, not homosexuality. Homosexuals who remain chaste are good people.

Do not turn this thread into a house of lies.

... two people of the same gender having sex is not natural, and is extremely harmful.

You very clearly think that gay sex is wrong and unnatural, and when asked to elaborate you referred to sodomy. There is such a thing as gay sex that is not anal sex.

Which are just as bad and also harmful.

The Bible is not a great source of morality, nor is it one quite a few of us subscribe to. We don’t care what it says.

How is it not? It doesn't matter whether you subscribe to it or not, that doesn't stop it being objectively correct and doesn't stop people who ignore nature from facing repercussions.

[Solarist VZ]

"gay people bad" is not "basic morals"

"promiscuity bad" is a good moral.

[The Huskar Social Union]

What a fucking sad viewpoint to hold.

Well thankfully you and your god dont get to dictate whats moral and what isnt.

Even if you don't believe in God, nature exists to enforce it. That's why STDs are so common among those who partake in immoral sexual practises.

Thats not because of god, thats because of biology and people not being safe, not your god.

Also nature enforces homosexuality as well considering its documented in a lot of wildlife.

[Scomagia]

Yes and other rights can be suspended based on illegal conduct, as well. They're still rights. Children have a right to know their parents, provided certain basic requirements of health and safety are met.

Do children conceived via sperm donations have a right to know the provider?

I would say they do.

[The New California Republic]

You are talking nonsense. This is what you said:

And when asked for clarification on that, you said this:

So stop lying. The evidence of what you said is right there.

Well yeah and I'm correct in saying that. Two people of the same gender having sex with each other is harmful. That's an objective fact and a simple look at the sheer scale of mental health issues, drug abuse issues and disease issues that sexually active LGB people have justifies it.

So we are just going to casually brush over the fact that you were taking the piss by lying to me?