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Who do you intend to vote for in the next Federal General Election?

Liberals
34
13%
Conservatives
73
28%
NDP
74
29%
Bloc Quebecois
15
6%
Greens
12
5%
PPC
13
5%
None of the above (please explain why in the thread)
38
15%
 
Total votes : 259

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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Tue Feb 06, 2024 1:51 pm

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She basically said Palestinians didn't do anything with the land. I bet if she said it about Ukranians or Indigenous she would be blacklisted.

Land acknowledgements, but only if the ethnic cleansing is already over so you don’t have to do anything about it. Remember, human rights are just something to be smug about and don’t need to be actively defended.

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Postby Luziyca » Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:03 pm

Jagmeet Singh puts PM on notice: says if the Pharmacare bill doesn't get introduced by March 1st, he will terminate the supply-and-confidence agreement with the Liberals.

I hope he stands by that date if the Liberals fail to present a Pharmacare bill that is "sufficient" enough by NDP standards, not least because continuing the agreement past March 1st would have all risk for the federal NDP and zero reward.
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Postby ARIsyan- » Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:09 pm

Luziyca wrote:Jagmeet Singh puts PM on notice: says if the Pharmacare bill doesn't get introduced by March 1st, he will terminate the supply-and-confidence agreement with the Liberals.

I hope he stands by that date if the Liberals fail to present a Pharmacare bill that is "sufficient" enough by NDP standards, not least because continuing the agreement past March 1st would have all risk for the federal NDP and zero reward.

Finally he gives him an ultimatum, he really should have used this card sooner I must say.
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Luziyca
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Postby Luziyca » Wed Feb 07, 2024 3:20 pm

ARIsyan- wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Jagmeet Singh puts PM on notice: says if the Pharmacare bill doesn't get introduced by March 1st, he will terminate the supply-and-confidence agreement with the Liberals.

I hope he stands by that date if the Liberals fail to present a Pharmacare bill that is "sufficient" enough by NDP standards, not least because continuing the agreement past March 1st would have all risk for the federal NDP and zero reward.

Finally he gives him an ultimatum, he really should have used this card sooner I must say.

I agree, he really should have used it much sooner. But as the old saying goes, "better late than never," and I think if he does follow through on his word (and I sure hope he does), I think it would help undo most of the damage this supply-and-confidence agreement has done to the federal NDP brand.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:23 pm

Luziyca wrote:Jagmeet Singh puts PM on notice: says if the Pharmacare bill doesn't get introduced by March 1st, he will terminate the supply-and-confidence agreement with the Liberals.

I hope he stands by that date if the Liberals fail to present a Pharmacare bill that is "sufficient" enough by NDP standards, not least because continuing the agreement past March 1st would have all risk for the federal NDP and zero reward.


If that happens would that trigger an election?

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Myth Of Saints
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Myth Of Saints » Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:51 pm

:eek:

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Shrillland
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Shrillland » Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Jagmeet Singh puts PM on notice: says if the Pharmacare bill doesn't get introduced by March 1st, he will terminate the supply-and-confidence agreement with the Liberals.

I hope he stands by that date if the Liberals fail to present a Pharmacare bill that is "sufficient" enough by NDP standards, not least because continuing the agreement past March 1st would have all risk for the federal NDP and zero reward.


If that happens would that trigger an election?


Not by itself, but it would trigger a chain of events that will ultimately lead to an election sometime this summer, one where Trudeau and the Liberals face certain doom. Yeah, Trudeau will probably get the Pharmacare bill up before then.
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Postby ARIsyan- » Thu Feb 08, 2024 2:10 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If that happens would that trigger an election?


Not by itself, but it would trigger a chain of events that will ultimately lead to an election sometime this summer, one where Trudeau and the Liberals face certain doom. Yeah, Trudeau will probably get the Pharmacare bill up before then.

A summer election would certainly result in a conservative majority of at least 20 or so seats.
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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:39 pm

ARIsyan- wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Jagmeet Singh puts PM on notice: says if the Pharmacare bill doesn't get introduced by March 1st, he will terminate the supply-and-confidence agreement with the Liberals.

I hope he stands by that date if the Liberals fail to present a Pharmacare bill that is "sufficient" enough by NDP standards, not least because continuing the agreement past March 1st would have all risk for the federal NDP and zero reward.

Finally he gives him an ultimatum, he really should have used this card sooner I must say.
The NDP doing this now speaks more to the NDP's weakness. It has nothing to lose that it's not already going to lose, and there's nothing left for the liberals to pluck from them for their own gains. So may as well kamikaze into pharmacare, which can at least operate as a landmine for the tories in the election after.
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Quebec and Shingoryeo
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Postby Quebec and Shingoryeo » Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:25 pm

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:26 pm



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Postby Daphomir » Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:29 pm

I do believe that Pierre Poilievre is going to be the next Canadian Prime Minister; and well over half of Canada supports him. Look at some videos of him and Trudeau's fierce debates, and you'll see why.
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Aggicificicerous
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Aggicificicerous » Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:41 pm

Daphomir wrote:I do believe that Pierre Poilievre is going to be the next Canadian Prime Minister; and well over half of Canada supports him. Look at some videos of him and Trudeau's fierce debates, and you'll see why.


Well over half of Canada supports him? Nah, he's poised to win because Trudeau and the Liberals are crashing and burning. If Poilievre had run in 2015, or even 2019 or 2021, nothing would have changed and he'd be out and forgotten just like O'Toole.

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Quebec and Shingoryeo
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Quebec and Shingoryeo » Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:46 pm

In Canada Prime Ministers tend to get voted out, not voted in.

Harper survived three elections over 9-year period, and things quickly soured by end of his third tenure.

J. Trudeau survived three elections in 8.5 years so far, and things start to sour at what's currently his third tenure as PM.

There is coincidence.
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Soviet Haaregrad
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:46 am

Canada needs reminded how bad the Tories are, unfortunately.

I don't know why we wouldn't let the UK remind us, but no, we want to win stupid prizes too.
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Postby Free Conservative Provinces of Canada » Fri Feb 09, 2024 5:13 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Canada needs reminded how bad the Tories are, unfortunately.

I don't know why we wouldn't let the UK remind us, but no, we want to win stupid prizes too.

They aren't bad. You just have to learn that Trudeau acts "liberal" but actually isn't. The Tories ain't bad at all. I'm telling you.
Yeah, this is basically just Canada but ruled by Pierre Poilievre.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri Feb 09, 2024 5:19 pm

Free Conservative Provinces of Canada wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Canada needs reminded how bad the Tories are, unfortunately.

I don't know why we wouldn't let the UK remind us, but no, we want to win stupid prizes too.

They aren't bad. You just have to learn that Trudeau acts "liberal" but actually isn't. The Tories ain't bad at all. I'm telling you.


Trudeau bad, Tories worse. :ugeek:
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:47 pm

Canadian politics is so weird. People in a trucker protest can have their bank account shut down for alleged Neo-Nazism but the prime minister can wear blackface and the parliament cheers for a Waffen-SS veteran.

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Postby Free Conservative Provinces of Canada » Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:48 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Free Conservative Provinces of Canada wrote:They aren't bad. You just have to learn that Trudeau acts "liberal" but actually isn't. The Tories ain't bad at all. I'm telling you.


Trudeau bad, Tories worse. :ugeek:

Tories amazing, Trudeau DEMON. :ugeek:
Yeah, this is basically just Canada but ruled by Pierre Poilievre.
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Postby Kaumudeen » Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:58 pm

Free Conservative Provinces of Canada wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Trudeau bad, Tories worse. :ugeek:

Tories amazing, Trudeau DEMON. :ugeek:


Pollievre has some good rhetoric, but the man has been in federal politics 20 years, including during the last time Tories governed, what is he gonna do differently? The "Conservative" Party does not conserve anything

Bear Stearns wrote:Canadian politics is so weird. People in a trucker protest can have their bank account shut down for alleged Neo-Nazism but the prime minister can wear blackface and the parliament cheers for a Waffen-SS veteran.

How do I get in on this grift?


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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 09, 2024 6:59 pm

Free Conservative Provinces of Canada wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Trudeau bad, Tories worse. :ugeek:

Tories amazing, Trudeau DEMON. :ugeek:

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Postby ARIsyan- » Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:32 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Canadian politics is so weird. People in a trucker protest can have their bank account shut down for alleged Neo-Nazism but the prime minister can wear blackface and the parliament cheers for a Waffen-SS veteran.

How do I get in on this grift?

are you going to come in this thread once a year and proclaim this and then leave?

Genuinely though i find it absolutely enraging that conservatives will say that the government is implementing north korean style policies by shutting down the truckers after 3 weeks of blocking border crossings and disrupting downtown Ottawa but they go batshit crazy whenever indigenous people peacefully block a pipeline from being built on their ancestral territory. Would you at least say that first nations have the right to block pipelines if truckers can block the ambassador bridge?
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Postby Quebec and Shingoryeo » Fri Feb 09, 2024 7:38 pm

Free Conservative Provinces of Canada wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Canada needs reminded how bad the Tories are, unfortunately.

I don't know why we wouldn't let the UK remind us, but no, we want to win stupid prizes too.

They aren't bad. You just have to learn that Trudeau acts "liberal" but actually isn't. The Tories ain't bad at all. I'm telling you.

Nothing like a good ole 'trust me bro'.
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Luziyca
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Luziyca » Fri Feb 09, 2024 9:24 pm

I'm feeling quite down about federal politics, so here's some positively provincial news.

The NDP is leading the polls, with 49% of decided voters casting a ballot in favor of the NDP, and 44% for the Sask Party. In Regina and my hometown, 53% and 66% of respondents respectively will be voting for the NDP in the next election. Given that 23-28% are undecided, it seems like the provincial NDP might be in the best position it has been in nearly twenty years.
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