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Who do you intend to vote for in the next Federal General Election?

Liberals
34
13%
Conservatives
73
28%
NDP
74
29%
Bloc Quebecois
15
6%
Greens
12
5%
PPC
13
5%
None of the above (please explain why in the thread)
38
15%
 
Total votes : 259

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:26 pm

Nilokeras wrote:


I really don't envy the Liberals in trying to do the math on this. It really does like they put the wheels in motion for an early fall election back in the spring/summer by negotiating all those funding announcements in the last couple weeks under the assumption that a smooth end to the pandemic would translate into a 'yay everything is normal again' bump in the polls. That bump and the smooth end doesn't seem to have happened (though I'd hesitate to tie a link between the two) and you can feel the hesitation at pulling the trigger.


That and the calendar just doesn't work in their favour. Nova Scotia in two weeks, Nunavut six weeks after that, there's no way to have one before Mid-December at the earliest.
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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:28 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
I really don't envy the Liberals in trying to do the math on this. It really does like they put the wheels in motion for an early fall election back in the spring/summer by negotiating all those funding announcements in the last couple weeks under the assumption that a smooth end to the pandemic would translate into a 'yay everything is normal again' bump in the polls. That bump and the smooth end doesn't seem to have happened (though I'd hesitate to tie a link between the two) and you can feel the hesitation at pulling the trigger.


That and the calendar just doesn't work in their favour. Nova Scotia in two weeks, Nunavut six weeks after that, there's no way to have one before Mid-December at the earliest.

So basically 2022 spring election?

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Postby Nilokeras » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:33 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
I really don't envy the Liberals in trying to do the math on this. It really does like they put the wheels in motion for an early fall election back in the spring/summer by negotiating all those funding announcements in the last couple weeks under the assumption that a smooth end to the pandemic would translate into a 'yay everything is normal again' bump in the polls. That bump and the smooth end doesn't seem to have happened (though I'd hesitate to tie a link between the two) and you can feel the hesitation at pulling the trigger.


That and the calendar just doesn't work in their favour. Nova Scotia in two weeks, Nunavut six weeks after that, there's no way to have one before Mid-December at the earliest.


It's worth noting that there's no law stating that elections cannot overlap one another, and provinces can and have bumped their elections to avoid overlapping with a federal one - like NL and Labrador did in 2015. If the math was in their favour I'd suspect the Liberals wouldn't particularly care if a fall election was called and the provinces/territories had to scramble to avoid it.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:34 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
That and the calendar just doesn't work in their favour. Nova Scotia in two weeks, Nunavut six weeks after that, there's no way to have one before Mid-December at the earliest.

So basically 2022 spring election?


Winter, more like. A December-January date isn't out of the cards.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:35 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
That and the calendar just doesn't work in their favour. Nova Scotia in two weeks, Nunavut six weeks after that, there's no way to have one before Mid-December at the earliest.


It's worth noting that there's no law stating that elections cannot overlap one another, and provinces can and have bumped their elections to avoid overlapping with a federal one - like NL and Labrador did in 2015.


Yeah, but Trudeau wouldn't risk annoying Nova Scotia like that when he needs those Tory and NDP swing seats.
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Postby Nilokeras » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:38 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
It's worth noting that there's no law stating that elections cannot overlap one another, and provinces can and have bumped their elections to avoid overlapping with a federal one - like NL and Labrador did in 2015.


Yeah, but Trudeau wouldn't risk annoying Nova Scotia like that when he needs those Tory and NDP swing seats.


The election is going to be won or lost in Greater Toronto, parts of Quebec and BC. The comparatively safe Liberal territory in NS is not going to be at risk. Doubly so when the Liberal Rankin can be counted on to be cooperative, especially if JT throws some pork his way.
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Postby Rio Cana » Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:33 pm

Kind of off-track but it has to do with Canada. The Canadian government just approved a measure which would ban the sale of new gasoline cars and trucks by 2035.

According to Kilmer, (this guy knows about cars/trucks). They are making a mistake.

He explains it all here. Its short, just the first 2:17. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmt-P-NXkMU&t=01s
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:43 pm

Rio Cana wrote:Kind of off-track but it has to do with Canada. The Canadian government just approved a measure which would ban the sale of new gasoline cars and trucks by 2035.

According to Kilmer, (this guy knows about cars/trucks). They are making a mistake.

He explains it all here. Its short, just the first 2:17. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmt-P-NXkMU&t=01s


It was done last month, and is just moving the target five years ahead of where it was going to be beforehand.

Nothing unusual, the UK's doing it in '30, California in '35, British Columbia was doing it by '40 on their own anyway. This was a campaign promise, however, and now it's a promise without an election.
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Postby Usanguk » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:46 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:So basically 2022 spring election?


Winter, more like. A December-January date isn't out of the cards.


They say it can be delayed until April at the latest.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:00 pm

Usanguk wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Winter, more like. A December-January date isn't out of the cards.


They say it can be delayed until April at the latest.


It can be, but Trudeau won't want it delayed that long. An April vote means the majority is out of his grasp, and Canada gets to do this all again in another 18-24 months.
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Postby Usanguk » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:04 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Usanguk wrote:
They say it can be delayed until April at the latest.


It can be, but Trudeau won't want it delayed that long. An April vote means the majority is out of his grasp, and Canada gets to do this all again in another 18-24 months.


I mean, the votes can turn back towards him, if he overcomes the pandemic for Canada.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:09 pm

Usanguk wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
It can be, but Trudeau won't want it delayed that long. An April vote means the majority is out of his grasp, and Canada gets to do this all again in another 18-24 months.


I mean, the votes can turn back towards him, if he overcomes the pandemic for Canada.


Maybe, but the time to ride a crisis wave has basically passed even as Delta COVID rises.
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Postby Usanguk » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:10 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Usanguk wrote:
I mean, the votes can turn back towards him, if he overcomes the pandemic for Canada.


Maybe, but the time to ride a crisis wave has basically passed even as Δ-COVID rises.


Effective quarantining and pandemic policies can overcome the Delta. South Korea's a good example of it.

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Postby Luziyca » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:14 pm

Usanguk wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Maybe, but the time to ride a crisis wave has basically passed even as Δ-COVID rises.


Effective quarantining and pandemic policies can overcome the Delta. South Korea's a good example of it.

That'd require effective policies from both the federal and provincial governments. Given that the way things are looking, we're going to have an election, and given Alberta is planning to eliminate COVID-19 quarantine rules and my own province has lifted all public health orders several weeks ago...

I wouldn't bank on it.
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Postby Usanguk » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:15 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Usanguk wrote:
Effective quarantining and pandemic policies can overcome the Delta. South Korea's a good example of it.

That'd require effective policies from both the federal and provincial governments. Given that the way things are looking, we're going to have an election, and given Alberta is planning to eliminate COVID-19 quarantine rules and my own province has basically lifted all public health orders...

I wouldn't bank on it.


Yeah, I was sort of expecting a tight measure on this, because we've already reached over a million cases.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:02 am

Canada needs a conservative government. Canada needs black Jamaican Canadian, Leslyn Lewis as Prime Minister of Canada. I have the nations of NS Ottawa Canada and Quebec Quebec, so I have a personal interest in the Politics of Canada.
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Postby Dakini » Wed Aug 04, 2021 12:01 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Canada needs a conservative government. Canada needs black Jamaican Canadian, Leslyn Lewis as Prime Minister of Canada. I have the nations of NS Ottawa Canada and Quebec Quebec, so I have a personal interest in the Politics of Canada.
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The Conservative party voted that climate change isn't real and they didn't elect Leslyn Lewis as their leader (not that she sounds great since she thinks that restricting conversion therapy is bad), but instead selected a man named O'Toole who seems to live up to his name.

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Postby Luziyca » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:37 pm

Dakini wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:-snip-

The Conservative party voted that climate change isn't real and they didn't elect Leslyn Lewis as their leader (not that she sounds great since she thinks that restricting conversion therapy is bad), but instead selected a man named O'Toole who seems to live up to his name.

Definitely: plus given the Tories are polling quite poorly compared to the Liberals, and more people prefer Jagmeet Singh as Prime Minister than O'Toole, I am safely confident that we're not going to have a Tory government anytime soon. Which, as much as I don't like the Liberals, I'd prefer the Liberals because at least they pretend to give a shit about you, whereas the Tories quite clearly do not give a damn about the average Canadian.

But yeah, I'm voting NDP because 1) I live in a seat where they're the most viable alternative to the Tories instead of the Liberals, and b) I don't trust the Liberals given that even though they pretend to give a shit about you, they still don't really care about you.
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Postby Nilokeras » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:56 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Dakini wrote:The Conservative party voted that climate change isn't real and they didn't elect Leslyn Lewis as their leader (not that she sounds great since she thinks that restricting conversion therapy is bad), but instead selected a man named O'Toole who seems to live up to his name.

Definitely: plus given the Tories are polling quite poorly compared to the Liberals, and more people prefer Jagmeet Singh as Prime Minister than O'Toole, I am safely confident that we're not going to have a Tory government anytime soon. Which, as much as I don't like the Liberals, I'd prefer the Liberals because at least they pretend to give a shit about you, whereas the Tories quite clearly do not give a damn about the average Canadian.

But yeah, I'm voting NDP because 1) I live in a seat where they're the most viable alternative to the Tories instead of the Liberals, and b) I don't trust the Liberals given that even though they pretend to give a shit about you, they still don't really care about you.


Oof gotta sting a bit to be Annamie Pau/the Greensl and be polling at a 1% rating for 'who would make the best PM', behind Maxime Bernier.

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Postby Luziyca » Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:59 pm

Nilokeras wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Definitely: plus given the Tories are polling quite poorly compared to the Liberals, and more people prefer Jagmeet Singh as Prime Minister than O'Toole, I am safely confident that we're not going to have a Tory government anytime soon. Which, as much as I don't like the Liberals, I'd prefer the Liberals because at least they pretend to give a shit about you, whereas the Tories quite clearly do not give a damn about the average Canadian.

But yeah, I'm voting NDP because 1) I live in a seat where they're the most viable alternative to the Tories instead of the Liberals, and b) I don't trust the Liberals given that even though they pretend to give a shit about you, they still don't really care about you.


Oof gotta sting a bit to be Annamie Pau/the Greensl and be polling at a 1% rating for 'who would make the best PM', behind Maxime Bernier.

I kinda feel sorry for Annamie Paul, but it seems the infighting in the Green Party has finally stopped. That said, I'd imagine Elizabeth May would've polled ahead of Maxime Bernier.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:57 pm

9,000 border guards and customs officers to begin "work-to-rule" strike on Friday

PSAC and the CIU are demanding an end to toxic workplace cultures, equality of status with the RCMP and other enforcement agencies, paid, pensionable meal times, and the right to carry arms in airports.
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Postby Fauzjhia » Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:58 pm

according to 338.com
the liberal have 40.5% chance of getting a majority government
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Although, in Quebec, the Bloc is our only and one friend right now, and we could except something like 27 seats for the Bloc Québécois. I would like more. but at the same time. we don't want a conservative government at all.



and at the same times. I don't trust the current government very much. Our government should not be working for Bayers and Sygenta, two compagnies who do not cares a bit about the health of our farmers, our people, but just want to sell pesticides. it took them too much times to back off their decision to relax the limits on pesticides.



Greater Miami Shores wrote:Canada needs a conservative government. Canada needs black Jamaican Canadian, Leslyn Lewis as Prime Minister of Canada. I have the nations of NS Ottawa Canada and Quebec Quebec, so I have a personal interest in the Politics of Canada.


no we don't need that.
1 Leslyn Lewis is not leader of the Conservatives
2 I don't trust the conservative to have kind of environmental plan.
3 social conservative is very undesirable here, and its often in violation to the charters of rights.
4 Conservatives have even less respects for french and minorities then the liberals. So no thanks.
Edit : the only thing a Leslyn Lewis can accomplish with her pro-life agenda is losing in front of the supreme court of Canada, that's not very productive. You can oppose abortion all you want, but face it. you will never be able to legislate on that subject without affecting the dignity of women, and pretty much anti-abortion laws are going to be unconstitutional, really, pro-lifism has no future here.
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