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Who do you intend to vote for in the next Federal General Election?

Liberals
34
13%
Conservatives
72
29%
NDP
73
29%
Bloc Quebecois
15
6%
Greens
11
4%
PPC
13
5%
None of the above (please explain why in the thread)
34
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Total votes : 252

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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:well thats good! lets keep it up! Maybe we'll improve on mitigating illegal access next!


You already lost that battle, the entire world did tbh. Internet access and a printer more or less defeats gun control as a concept entirely.

And the expertise barrier to assembling firearm parts into a functioning weapon is laughably low now.
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Nilokeras
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Postby Nilokeras » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:31 am

Shrillland wrote:Trudeau's talking about how dysfunctional Parliament is

AKA we're going to lose the budget vote tomorrow and have an election in the next couple of months.


It'll be interesting to see if the trigger does get pulled - Liberal party organs and MPs certainly have been banging the drum of parliament and the NDP 'playing partisan games', but if that's the excuse for triggering an election I think it'll be less of a strong one than they anticipate. Certainly it's a major gamble against the chances that a federal election is what snaps through the pandemic stupor hanging over the media and turns a lens back on the Liberals' performance of late.

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Postby Luziyca » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:32 am

Nilokeras wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Trudeau's talking about how dysfunctional Parliament is

AKA we're going to lose the budget vote tomorrow and have an election in the next couple of months.


It'll be interesting to see if the trigger does get pulled - Liberal party organs and MPs certainly have been banging the drum of parliament and the NDP 'playing partisan games', but if that's the excuse for triggering an election I think it'll be less of a strong one than they anticipate. Certainly it's a major gamble against the chances that a federal election is what snaps through the pandemic stupor hanging over the media and turns a lens back on the Liberals' performance of late.

I honestly cannot wait for the election if it does occur. Here's hoping the NDP sees a surge and at the bare minimum wins back my seat.
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Postby Nevertopia » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:35 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You already lost that battle, the entire world did tbh. Internet access and a printer more or less defeats gun control as a concept entirely.

And the expertise barrier to assembling firearm parts into a functioning weapon is laughably low now.


sounds like a case to modernize gun laws, not erode them even further to me.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:49 am

Shrillland wrote:Trudeau's talking about how dysfunctional Parliament is

AKA we're going to lose the budget vote tomorrow and have an election in the next couple of months.

He is likely to get a majority. Let's face the facts here, O'Toole is just that, a tool. Doug Ford and Jason Kenney have fucked him and his party over so bad right now, no amount of asskissing O'Toole does to the public will make him any more popular. Scheer would have had a better chance digging his ass out of the jam O'Toole is in right now. He will get the Sask, Alberta, and most of Manitoba sure. The greens will vote split between the NDP and the Liberals.
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Postby Kubra » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:03 am

Nevertopia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:They aren't available to civilians at all here. Not legally.

In terms of illegal access it's not the hardest endeavour.

well thats good! lets keep it up! Maybe we'll improve on mitigating illegal access next!
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:51 am

Nevertopia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:And the expertise barrier to assembling firearm parts into a functioning weapon is laughably low now.


sounds like a case to modernize gun laws, not erode them even further to me.

And what good will that do?
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Postby Luziyca » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:35 pm

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Postby Shrillland » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:50 pm

For the record, the Budget did end up passing with NDP and Bloc support a couple of days ago....just making sure everyone knows.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:56 pm

Shrillland wrote:For the record, the Budget did end up passing with NDP and Bloc support a couple of days ago....just making sure everyone knows.

Ah, right.

Guess then I'll hope that bill passes before the next budget vote or before Trudeau calls a snap election.
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Postby Shrillland » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:00 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Shrillland wrote:For the record, the Budget did end up passing with NDP and Bloc support a couple of days ago....just making sure everyone knows.

Ah, right.

Guess then I'll hope that bill passes before the next budget vote or before Trudeau calls a snap election.


So, in about a month then? I think he'll go to Rideau Hall as soon as the new GG gets appointed.
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Postby Luziyca » Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:36 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Ah, right.

Guess then I'll hope that bill passes before the next budget vote or before Trudeau calls a snap election.


So, in about a month then? I think he'll go to Rideau Hall as soon as the new GG gets appointed.

To be fair, I do expect there's going to be a snap election in the next couple months, especially given many MPs have given their farewell speeches already, which is typically something one would do near the end of the parliamentary term.

That said I do hope a new governor-general is appointed, and that the new one is nothing like Payette.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:46 pm

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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:56 pm

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Postby Anatoliyanskiy » Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:33 am

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Postby Dakini » Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:49 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubra wrote: To the former, yes. Questions of how the law deals with self-defense aside, restricted firearms are a great way to make ones home *more* attractive to getting hit. To the latter, yeah yeah we get it, the difference between prohib and restricted is at times kafka-esque levels of abritrary. As I said: a good chunk of prohibs should probably be moved into restricted.

I think having a non-restricted shotgun or rifle at home for defensive purposes isn't an unreasonable thing to permit.

...if you're defending yourself from bears, sure.

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Immortan Khan
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Postby Immortan Khan » Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:47 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:well thats good! lets keep it up! Maybe we'll improve on mitigating illegal access next!


You already lost that battle, the entire world did tbh. Internet access and a printer more or less defeats gun control as a concept entirely.

^This tbh. It's already something on a growing level in Europe. It's only a matter of time before it starts happening here as more and more guns are prohibited.

Nevertopia wrote:i feel like gun rights need to be updated and take a more modern context. Why are people allowed to buy military grade weaponry in the first place?
Define military grade weaponry. This isn't getting into how one of the most popular hunting rifles in Canada is the Lee-Enfield.
There needs to be a discussion to what is an acceptable amount of power to warrant self-defence.
Why?
Theres this naive notion that gun laws dont stop criminals from attaining guns, but historically lax gun laws don't stop criminals from attaining guns either. Look no further than whats happening at the south and the lone shooters that pepper their news cycle every few months.
Noticeably a primarily American phenomenon. Even countries where guns are widespread and easily obtainable, you don't see these kinds of mass shootings regularly.
And how some of these mass shooters simply got their weapons from people who procured it for them through legal means. Maybe redefine what a civilian rifle should be? Something that only has a certain amount of power, with up to a certain caliber, maybe nothing automatic or anything that can make the weapon automatic. It'll be hard when military grade weapons are already in circulation but there needs to a de-escalation of firepower in civilian self-defense weapons.
Automatic weapons are already banned and magazine sizes limited. Caliber is meaningless given that rounds transition from military use to civilian use and vise versa often. The .300 Winchester Magnum is one of the most popular calibers for hunters but since the 2010's has been increasingly used by military marksmen because of its good performance in long range sniping.
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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:07 pm

Well if we're back to talking gunz, let's at least let the ones on the prohib list be purchasable for licensed ranges. Sure, you'll have to rent, but for a couple hundo you could have a hell of a day.
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Greater Cesnica
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:09 pm

Kubra wrote:Well if we're back to talking gunz, let's at least let the ones on the prohib list be purchasable for licensed ranges. Sure, you'll have to rent, but for a couple hundo you could have a hell of a day.

But Daddy Trudeau told us that fun is bad.
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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Sat Jun 26, 2021 3:14 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubra wrote:Well if we're back to talking gunz, let's at least let the ones on the prohib list be purchasable for licensed ranges. Sure, you'll have to rent, but for a couple hundo you could have a hell of a day.

But Daddy Trudeau told us that fun is bad.
Well I don't think anyone has ever, like, suggested doing so. It's, you know, it's kind of minor.
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Postby Dakini » Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:20 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubra wrote:Well if we're back to talking gunz, let's at least let the ones on the prohib list be purchasable for licensed ranges. Sure, you'll have to rent, but for a couple hundo you could have a hell of a day.

But Daddy Trudeau told us that fun is bad.

Trudeau legalized weed, he's clearly not anti-fun.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:05 pm

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Postby Immortan Khan » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:08 pm

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Postby Dakini » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:18 pm


I like how even Doug Ford realises that holding a giant celebration like, two weeks after 751 children were found in unmarked graves is a bad call and the federal Conservatives are just like "nah, let's politicise this!".

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