Canadian Politics

[Kubra]

If I had Canadian citizenship and the means to run for office, I'd run on a platform of being like the Donald Trump of Canada. Would support bringing back the Residential Schools for the first nation peoples and would push for immigration from developing countries to be closed off in favor of immigration from other rich countries, if not the US, and look to loosening the gun laws by a lot to bring it closer to how guns are in the US.

I would also explore how to integrate Quebec into the rest of Canada so that it isn't culturally separate enough as to be more French than English anymore. The Chinese model of how they govern Tibet is what I'd be keen on importing, provided it can be modified as to be compatible with Canadian law but still accomplish the objective of making Quebec like the rest of Canada over the long term, before my time in office would end.

Why on earth would we do
like
any of this

[Sungoldy-China]

Canada still has politics?
Wouldn’t it be enough to follow the United States?
Judging from the leadership chosen by Canadians, I thought Canadians had accepted this reality.

[Shrillland]

Canada still has politics?
Wouldn’t it be enough to follow the United States?
Judging from the leadership chosen by Canadians, I thought Canadians had accepted this reality.

Well, that leadership is a bit beleaguered at the moment, but they still hold the high ground, else why would Trudeau be so hell-bent on wanting another election just 12 months after the last one?

[Luziyca]

Canada still has politics?
Wouldn’t it be enough to follow the United States?
Judging from the leadership chosen by Canadians, I thought Canadians had accepted this reality.

Well, that leadership is a bit beleaguered at the moment, but they still hold the high ground, else why would Trudeau be so hell-bent on wanting another election just 12 months after the last one?

Looks like they will survive the confidence vote.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Well, that leadership is a bit beleaguered at the moment, but they still hold the high ground, else why would Trudeau be so hell-bent on wanting another election just 12 months after the last one?

Looks like they will survive the confidence vote.

thank god! we did not need an election right now! phew! Also, a bit random but since the Saskatchewan NDP are at a steady 30% in the polls, I don't think they'll form government. However, I think the Saskatchewan party will lose a significant amount of seats in this election, and the NDP will increase their presence. Maybe the 2024 one will be the one to watch out for.

[Luziyca]

Looks like they will survive the confidence vote.

thank god! we did not need an election right now! phew! Also, a bit random but since the Saskatchewan NDP are at a steady 30% in the polls, I don't think they'll form government. However, I think the Saskatchewan party will lose a significant amount of seats in this election, and the NDP will increase their presence. Maybe the 2024 one will be the one to watch out for. Same goes for British

I honestly hope they don't lose the confidence vote, mostly because "if the [provincial] election period would overlap with a federal election period, the provincial election is to be postponed until the first Monday of the following April; in this case: April 5, 2021" according to the Legislative Assembly Act, 2007, and given its text says "In this section, “writ period” means the period commencing on the day that a writ is issued for an election and ending on polling day for that election," it seems to mean that the provincial election would be moved to April 5th, which would be stupid, especially given advanced voting began yesterday.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I called it. I knew there wasnt going to be a new election beacuse of the minorty goverment.

[Luziyca]

I called it. I knew there wasnt going to be a new election beacuse of the minorty goverment.

Yet. The Tories tabled a new motion.

Fortunately, "while the motion will be debated in the House of Commons today, it will not be put to a vote until Monday," which means that if this is a no-confidence vote, it probably won't push the provincial election to April, given that, well, Monday is when us Saskatchewanians go to the polls.

[Shrillland]

I called it. I knew there wasnt going to be a new election beacuse of the minorty goverment.

Yet. The Tories tabled a new motion.

Fortunately, "while the motion will be debated in the House of Commons today, it will not be put to a vote until Monday," which means that if this is a no-confidence vote, it probably won't push the provincial election to April, given that, well, Monday is when us Saskatchewanians go to the polls.

Besides, the NDP made it clear in yesterday's vote they don't want an election just yet. They know that they can't win more seats at the moment, and neither can the Tories at this juncture. Trudeau knows this, too, that's why he wants a vote so badly. They should wait until the Spring at least, let the Liberals fester in the polls and then vote against the budget or some such thing.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Yet. The Tories tabled a new motion.

Fortunately, "while the motion will be debated in the House of Commons today, it will not be put to a vote until Monday," which means that if this is a no-confidence vote, it probably won't push the provincial election to April, given that, well, Monday is when us Saskatchewanians go to the polls.

Besides, the NDP made it clear in yesterday's vote they don't want an election just yet. They know that they can't win more seats at the moment, and neither can the Tories at this juncture. Trudeau knows this, too, that's why he wants a vote so badly. They should wait until the Spring at least, let the Liberals fester in the polls and then vote against the budget or some such thing.

yeah, that seems like exactly what they should because right now we'd get 2015 all over again just with a much less happy NDP.

[Nilokeras]

In BC election news what was turning out to be a relatively quiet and short run to the polls has turned exciting for the BC Liberals (but not in a good way). It began when the BC Liberal MLA for North Vancouver-Seymour, Jane Thornthwaite, made inappropriate sexual comments about NDP incumbent MLA for North Vancouver-Lonsdale Bowinn Ma during a Zoom 'roast' of another outgoing Liberal MLA. This might have gotten contained but Thornthwaite decided to issue a classic 'not-pology' and let it stew for almost a whole day before revising it to actually apologize for her actions. BC Liberal leader Andrew Wilkinson, seen in the Zoom footage laughing about the remarks, issued a weak apology over Twitter and when that didn't work publicly threw Thornthwaite under the bus.

A few days later, in response to a BC NDP promise to fund universal contraception coverage Laurie Throness, the sitting BC Liberal MLA for Chiliwack-Kent, made comments in an all-candidates debate that compared the contraception plan to eugenics. Via Twitter Wilkinson responded by pledging his party's support for the contraception plan, condemned Throness' comments and 'accepted his resignation' from the Liberal nomination in the riding. Throness is now running as an independent, and the stunt has cost the BC Liberals a safe seat in an election where they're already behind in the polls by multiple digits.

All this wouldn't be surprising in and of itself from a party that seemingly hasn't recovered from its loss in 2017 but there is speculation that the expulsion of Throness - who has been a perennial social conservative thorn in the side of the BC Liberals - represents a more fundamental shift in the internal politics of the BC Liberals. The BC Liberals are sort of weird 'free enterprise' big tent party combining a largely socially liberal urban segment and a socially conservative rural segment. Up until recently BC Liberal leaders have largely attempted to walk the tightrope between the two contingents and keep everyone happy, but changes in the acceptability of social conservatism in BC politics have made associating with people like Throness a liability for the party as a whole, who need moderate potential NDP supporters to form government. Add to that the fact that Wilkinson was an unpopular fifth ballot compromise choice for leader and the looming potential defeat and it seems likely a schism might be in the works.

[Shrillland]

In BC election news what was turning out to be a relatively quiet and short run to the polls has turned exciting for the BC Liberals (but not in a good way). It began when the BC Liberal MLA for North Vancouver-Seymour, Jane Thornthwaite, made inappropriate sexual comments about NDP incumbent MLA for North Vancouver-Lonsdale Bowinn Ma during a Zoom 'roast' of another outgoing Liberal MLA. This might have gotten contained but Thornthwaite decided to issue a classic 'not-pology' and let it stew for almost a whole day before revising it to actually apologize for her actions. BC Liberal leader Andrew Wilkinson, seen in the Zoom footage laughing about the remarks, issued a weak apology over Twitter and when that didn't work publicly threw Thornthwaite under the bus.

A few days later, in response to a BC NDP promise to fund universal contraception coverage Laurie Throness, the sitting BC Liberal MLA for Chiliwack-Kent, made comments in an all-candidates debate that compared the contraception plan to eugenics. Via Twitter Wilkinson responded by pledging his party's support for the contraception plan, condemned Throness' comments and 'accepted his resignation' from the Liberal nomination in the riding. Throness is now running as an independent, and the stunt has cost the BC Liberals a safe seat in an election where they're already behind in the polls by multiple digits.

All this wouldn't be surprising in and of itself from a party that seemingly hasn't recovered from its loss in 2017 but there is speculation that the expulsion of Throness - who has been a perennial social conservative thorn in the side of the BC Liberals - represents a more fundamental shift in the internal politics of the BC Liberals. The BC Liberals are sort of weird 'free enterprise' big tent party combining a largely socially liberal urban segment and a socially conservative rural segment. Up until recently BC Liberal leaders have largely attempted to walk the tightrope between the two contingents and keep everyone happy, but changes in the acceptability of social conservatism in BC politics have made associating with people like Throness a liability for the party as a whole, who need moderate potential NDP supporters to form government. Add to that the fact that Wilkinson was an unpopular fifth ballot compromise choice for leader and the looming potential defeat and it seems likely a schism might be in the works.

Well, with the rise of social conservatism nationwide, it's certainly possible to see the resurrection of the BC Conservatives in a year or two.

[Dresderstan]

In BC election news what was turning out to be a relatively quiet and short run to the polls has turned exciting for the BC Liberals (but not in a good way). It began when the BC Liberal MLA for North Vancouver-Seymour, Jane Thornthwaite, made inappropriate sexual comments about NDP incumbent MLA for North Vancouver-Lonsdale Bowinn Ma during a Zoom 'roast' of another outgoing Liberal MLA. This might have gotten contained but Thornthwaite decided to issue a classic 'not-pology' and let it stew for almost a whole day before revising it to actually apologize for her actions. BC Liberal leader Andrew Wilkinson, seen in the Zoom footage laughing about the remarks, issued a weak apology over Twitter and when that didn't work publicly threw Thornthwaite under the bus.

A few days later, in response to a BC NDP promise to fund universal contraception coverage Laurie Throness, the sitting BC Liberal MLA for Chiliwack-Kent, made comments in an all-candidates debate that compared the contraception plan to eugenics. Via Twitter Wilkinson responded by pledging his party's support for the contraception plan, condemned Throness' comments and 'accepted his resignation' from the Liberal nomination in the riding. Throness is now running as an independent, and the stunt has cost the BC Liberals a safe seat in an election where they're already behind in the polls by multiple digits.

All this wouldn't be surprising in and of itself from a party that seemingly hasn't recovered from its loss in 2017 but there is speculation that the expulsion of Throness - who has been a perennial social conservative thorn in the side of the BC Liberals - represents a more fundamental shift in the internal politics of the BC Liberals. The BC Liberals are sort of weird 'free enterprise' big tent party combining a largely socially liberal urban segment and a socially conservative rural segment. Up until recently BC Liberal leaders have largely attempted to walk the tightrope between the two contingents and keep everyone happy, but changes in the acceptability of social conservatism in BC politics have made associating with people like Throness a liability for the party as a whole, who need moderate potential NDP supporters to form government. Add to that the fact that Wilkinson was an unpopular fifth ballot compromise choice for leader and the looming potential defeat and it seems likely a schism might be in the works.

Well, with the rise of social conservatism nationwide, it's certainly possible to see the resurrection of the BC Conservatives in a year or two.

That could be a possibility if we see a schism/revolt among the BC Liberals, but I have my doubts in the return of the BC Tories to provincial politics.

[Nevertopia]

Well, with the rise of social conservatism nationwide, it's certainly possible to see the resurrection of the BC Conservatives in a year or two.

That could be a possibility if we see a schism/revolt among the BC Liberals, but I have my doubts in the return of the BC Tories to provincial politics.

personally I voted NDP specifically because Wilkinson tried to scum his way back into office by calling a vote during the pandemic.

[Saiwania]

Why on earth would we do like any of this?

To accomplish the Canadian equivalent of "owning the libs" I guess. I expect it'd be for much the same reasons for why Trump 2016 happened. My campaign would probably lose, but I am curious as to how much of Canada would back such a platform. One that breaks from all previous precedent in terms of Canadian history.

[Nevertopia]

Why on earth would we do like any of this?

To accomplish the Canadian equivalent of "owning the libs" I guess. I expect it'd be for much the same reasons for why Trump 2016 happened. My campaign would probably lose, but I am curious as to how much of Canada would back such a platform. One that breaks from all previous precedent in terms of Canadian history.

We tend to not want Americanized politics.

[Luziyca]

Why on earth would we do like any of this?

To accomplish the Canadian equivalent of "owning the libs" I guess. I expect it'd be for much the same reasons for why Trump 2016 happened. My campaign would probably lose, but I am curious as to how much of Canada would back such a platform. One that breaks from all previous precedent in terms of Canadian history.

Maxime Bernier was the closest thing to that, and his party went from 1 seat to fuck all in the last election. So unless the Tories really piss off their bases of support once more, I don't see the People's Party or any further-right ilk be an official party.

[Nilokeras]

Well, with the rise of social conservatism nationwide, it's certainly possible to see the resurrection of the BC Conservatives in a year or two.

That could be a possibility if we see a schism/revolt among the BC Liberals, but I have my doubts in the return of the BC Tories to provincial politics.

I think it depends on just how badly the election turns out - if the NDP are going to get a majority it's through turning suburban and urban seats within Metro Vancouver, which also tends to be the home of the 'socially liberal, fiscally conservative' wing that has up until recently been the driving force. A large NDP majority might deplete the influence of the urban caucus and discredit them within the party enough to let a moderate social conservative win the race next time around. A smaller majority might allow them to stay intact, particularly if it was close enough that Wilkinson can be perceived to have done as best as he could have under the circumstances.

Either way I agree that I don't think it's going to benefit or lead to an exodus of MLAs to the Tories too much. It's too much of a moribund party I think. Though the thought of a bunch of MLAs doing entryism on them is very funny.

[Luziyca]

That could be a possibility if we see a schism/revolt among the BC Liberals, but I have my doubts in the return of the BC Tories to provincial politics.

I think it depends on just how badly the election turns out - if the NDP are going to get a majority it's through turning suburban and urban seats within Metro Vancouver, which also tends to be the home of the 'socially liberal, fiscally conservative' wing that has up until recently been the driving force. A large NDP majority might deplete the influence of the urban caucus and discredit them within the party enough to let a moderate social conservative win the race next time around. A smaller majority might allow them to stay intact, particularly if it was close enough that Wilkinson can be perceived to have done as best as he could have under the circumstances.

Either way I agree that I don't think it's going to benefit or lead to an exodus of MLAs to the Tories too much. It's too much of a moribund party I think. Though the thought of a bunch of MLAs doing entryism on them is very funny.

Still probably more likely than the Socreds returning to the legislature, though.

[Nevertopia]

To accomplish the Canadian equivalent of "owning the libs" I guess. I expect it'd be for much the same reasons for why Trump 2016 happened. My campaign would probably lose, but I am curious as to how much of Canada would back such a platform. One that breaks from all previous precedent in terms of Canadian history.

Maxime Bernier was the closest thing to that, and his party went from 1 seat to fuck all in the last election. So unless the Tories really piss off their bases of support once more, I don't see the People's Party or any further-right ilk be an official party.

Ah yes, Maxime "I have ideas" bernier. Gotta love his platform on forming concrete policies.

[Nevertopia]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/a ... ies-about/

The CCP can go to hell.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-china-warns-canada-not-to-damage-relations-further-with-lies-about/

The CCP can go to hell.

That has already been agreed upon. I really don't know why countries try and make friends with them so much. It's not like North Korea and they'll nuke you if you say something bad about them. There are other countries to make friends with you know. They're not worth it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I called it. I knew there wasnt going to be a new election beacuse of the minorty goverment.

Yet. The Tories tabled a new motion.

Fortunately, "while the motion will be debated in the House of Commons today, it will not be put to a vote until Monday," which means that if this is a no-confidence vote, it probably won't push the provincial election to April, given that, well, Monday is when us Saskatchewanians go to the polls.

After reading it, I think it's good and that we need more COVID 19 and reviewing now.

But also the Libs wouldn't want to post an election over this so I really don't think one will happen untill another 4 years.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-china-warns-canada-not-to-damage-relations-further-with-lies-about/

The CCP can go to hell.

"Create a FREE account to read this article"

No globe and mail, i'm not going to give you my email address.


But yeah CCP can go fuck it's self. Totalitarian government that chains the rights of it's people. Just like the emperors of China that lost there mandate from heaven before them, they take from the people instead of giving.

They also commit genocide against Muslim culture and put Muslims in camps. While also having horrid LGBT rights. Dumping carbon in the atmosphere.

I don't want war with them but all I'm saying is that if Taiwan where to retake the mainland, I wouldn't be against supporting Taiwan in such an endeavor.

[Luziyca]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-china-warns-canada-not-to-damage-relations-further-with-lies-about/

The CCP can go to hell.

That has already been agreed upon. I really don't know why countries try and make friends with them so much. It's not like North Korea and they'll nuke you if you say something bad about them. There are other countries to make friends with you know. They're not worth it.

Probably because they're, I don't know, the second largest economy on the planet, and the largest country by population?

[Nilokeras]

I think it depends on just how badly the election turns out - if the NDP are going to get a majority it's through turning suburban and urban seats within Metro Vancouver, which also tends to be the home of the 'socially liberal, fiscally conservative' wing that has up until recently been the driving force. A large NDP majority might deplete the influence of the urban caucus and discredit them within the party enough to let a moderate social conservative win the race next time around. A smaller majority might allow them to stay intact, particularly if it was close enough that Wilkinson can be perceived to have done as best as he could have under the circumstances.

Either way I agree that I don't think it's going to benefit or lead to an exodus of MLAs to the Tories too much. It's too much of a moribund party I think. Though the thought of a bunch of MLAs doing entryism on them is very funny.

Still probably more likely than the Socreds returning to the legislature, though.

Former Socred premier Bill Vander Zalm - famous for living in a windmill in a garden theme park - is still alive and has a bit of a QAnon vibe about him so who knows?