Canadian Politics

[Dresderstan]

Meanwhile, in Nova Scotia, the race between the Liberals and PCs is tighter than ever thanks to Houston's promises to increase health spending and dismissals of being compared to other Tory premiers.

Oooh, finally some spice in Nova Scotia's provincial election, could be seen as a potential foreshadowing for the federal election maybe???

[Nilokeras]

Meanwhile, in Nova Scotia, the race between the Liberals and PCs is tighter than ever thanks to Houston's promises to increase health spending and dismissals of being compared to other Tory premiers.

It is interesting to see a Tory party do what everyone thought O'Toole was going to do way back when he first got elected as party leader and run a very 'red Tory' campaign attempting to outflank the Liberals on popular spending items. He kind of backed off of it but it's clearly working out pretty well for Houston. Makes me curious if we'll see a similar triangulation with the Tories in the federal election, given that they're really not doing so hot compared to the two parties to their left.

[Shrillland]

Meanwhile, in Nova Scotia, the race between the Liberals and PCs is tighter than ever thanks to Houston's promises to increase health spending and dismissals of being compared to other Tory premiers.

It is interesting to see a Tory party do what everyone thought O'Toole was going to do way back when he first got elected as party leader and run a very 'red Tory' campaign attempting to outflank the Liberals on popular spending items. He kind of backed off of it but it's clearly working out pretty well for Houston. Makes me curious if we'll see a similar triangulation with the Tories in the federal election, given that they're really not doing so hot compared to the two parties to their left.

I'm not convinced of that myself. O'Toole was chosen specifically to avoid the Red Tory strategy that MacKay was all but prepared to launch, and with Lewis now set to come into Parliament in Haldimand-Norfolk, and in the Shadow Cabinet no less, he'll be under a lot of pressure to go right rather than centre.

[Nilokeras]

It is interesting to see a Tory party do what everyone thought O'Toole was going to do way back when he first got elected as party leader and run a very 'red Tory' campaign attempting to outflank the Liberals on popular spending items. He kind of backed off of it but it's clearly working out pretty well for Houston. Makes me curious if we'll see a similar triangulation with the Tories in the federal election, given that they're really not doing so hot compared to the two parties to their left.

I'm not convinced of that myself. O'Toole was chosen specifically to avoid the Red Tory strategy that MacKay was all but prepared to launch, and with Lewis now set to come into Parliament in Haldimand-Norfolk, and in the Shadow Cabinet no less, he'll be under a lot of pressure to go right rather than centre.

I think it was his line back in November 2020 that really made people sit back up bemoaning the decline of private sector unions and that the 'balance' of power was too far in the hands of the bosses. Which while maybe not as formally 'red' as MacKay was certainly a new populist tack for the Tories. And a relatively smart one given the new tensions between traditional resource extraction/manufacturing unions and the environmentalist left. But it seems to have died on the vine because the Tories cannot escape the trap of Alberta and its ratchet effect on Tory politics.

[Major-Tom]

I'm not convinced of that myself. O'Toole was chosen specifically to avoid the Red Tory strategy that MacKay was all but prepared to launch, and with Lewis now set to come into Parliament in Haldimand-Norfolk, and in the Shadow Cabinet no less, he'll be under a lot of pressure to go right rather than centre.

I think it was his line back in November 2020 that really made people sit back up bemoaning the decline of private sector unions and that the 'balance' of power was too far in the hands of the bosses. Which while maybe not as formally 'red' as MacKay was certainly a new populist tack for the Tories. And a relatively smart one given the new tensions between traditional resource extraction/manufacturing unions and the environmentalist left. But it seems to have died on the vine because the Tories cannot escape the trap of Alberta and its ratchet effect on Tory politics.

Am I wrong to assume that a lot of the "moderate swing voters" in Ontario and the GTA (or whatever you want to call them) would probably be inclined to vote Liberal again even if the Tories tracked more towards the middle?

[Shrillland]

I think it was his line back in November 2020 that really made people sit back up bemoaning the decline of private sector unions and that the 'balance' of power was too far in the hands of the bosses. Which while maybe not as formally 'red' as MacKay was certainly a new populist tack for the Tories. And a relatively smart one given the new tensions between traditional resource extraction/manufacturing unions and the environmentalist left. But it seems to have died on the vine because the Tories cannot escape the trap of Alberta and its ratchet effect on Tory politics.

Am I wrong to assume that a lot of the "moderate swing voters" in Ontario and the GTA (or whatever you want to call them) would probably be inclined to vote Liberal again even if the Tories tracked more towards the middle?

At the moment, the 905 voters seem more content with the Liberals, though O'Toole could gain more there by heading toward the centre....at the expense of Albertans choosing to stay home or vote PPC out of spite(yes, PPC still exists).

[Nilokeras]

I think it was his line back in November 2020 that really made people sit back up bemoaning the decline of private sector unions and that the 'balance' of power was too far in the hands of the bosses. Which while maybe not as formally 'red' as MacKay was certainly a new populist tack for the Tories. And a relatively smart one given the new tensions between traditional resource extraction/manufacturing unions and the environmentalist left. But it seems to have died on the vine because the Tories cannot escape the trap of Alberta and its ratchet effect on Tory politics.

Am I wrong to assume that a lot of the "moderate swing voters" in Ontario and the GTA (or whatever you want to call them) would probably be inclined to vote Liberal again even if the Tories tracked more towards the middle?

I'm not sure 'moderate swing voters' can be predicted in a bloc like that - the GTA is a pretty complex patchwork of different ethnic and economic strata, particularly outside of the urban core. It's not quite like the American situation where the white flight 'swing' suburbs have a relatively uniform demography. A lot of times there isn't that much air between Tory and Liberal candidates, and the deciding factor is on cultivating MPs with connections to local communities and have name recognition. To that extend I think that there's an incumbent advantage, and I think the Tories have been hurt by the image of premier Doug Ford's handling of the pandemic.

[Luziyca]

Am I wrong to assume that a lot of the "moderate swing voters" in Ontario and the GTA (or whatever you want to call them) would probably be inclined to vote Liberal again even if the Tories tracked more towards the middle?

At the moment, the 905 voters seem more content with the Liberals, though O'Toole could gain more there by heading toward the centre....at the expense of Albertans choosing to stay home or vote PPC out of spite(yes, PPC still exists).

At this point I feel the only chance the PPC will have of winning any seats is if Don Cherry were to take over the party.

[Shrillland]

At the moment, the 905 voters seem more content with the Liberals, though O'Toole could gain more there by heading toward the centre....at the expense of Albertans choosing to stay home or vote PPC out of spite(yes, PPC still exists).

At this point I feel the only chance the PPC will have of winning any seats is if Don Cherry were to take over the party.

sshhhh...don't give them any ideas.

[Dresderstan]

I highly doubt most Western voters will vote for the PPC assuming O'Toole does try any pivot towards the centre, otherwise O'Toole should do what the Liberals have done, a vote for the PPC or the Maverick party (Which is a thing out west it's basically just reform 2.0, or 3.0) is just a vote to let the Liberals or the NDP win to prevent a splitting of the vote.

[Fauzjhia]

I highly doubt most Western voters will vote for the PPC assuming O'Toole does try any pivot towards the centre, otherwise O'Toole should do what the Liberals have done, a vote for the PPC or the Maverick party (Which is a thing out west it's basically just reform 2.0, or 3.0) is just a vote to let the Liberals or the NDP win to prevent a splitting of the vote.

the West cry a lot. but when it come to the urns, the conservatives are able to get elected without even campaigning in there. Since most voter just go conservatives.
there is no real point in any campaign in the west Canada, the districts are too conservatives for other parties to have any real chance, and the conservatives know this perfectly.
I mean, the conservative still do not have any environmental plan, We can receive giec rapports after giec rapports, does not stop the conservative from not even believing in Climate Change, their leader tried to pass a resolution....
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/otoole ... -1.6031239 ( and no, it just show us how much your party care about the subject)

''You do not understand, by sympathizing with the Waffen-SS I am merely rejecting the anglo-wokeist ideology that erases the deep violence and oppression I feel whenever I see a road sign where the English and French text are the same size."

Oversimplification, and refusal to understand. That's very Canadian, and it get olds. At foundation, Canada was supposed to be a bilingual country. Quebec Learn English, other province do not learn French, (even in New-Brunswick who is supposed to be bilingual.)
you can state such statement to attempt to ridiculize my points, but it remains truth that French is in Danger in Canada.
And you don't have to approve Wokeism to be against racism.

[San Lumen]

I highly doubt most Western voters will vote for the PPC assuming O'Toole does try any pivot towards the centre, otherwise O'Toole should do what the Liberals have done, a vote for the PPC or the Maverick party (Which is a thing out west it's basically just reform 2.0, or 3.0) is just a vote to let the Liberals or the NDP win to prevent a splitting of the vote.

the West cry a lot. but when it come to the urns, the conservatives are able to get elected without even campaigning in there. Since most voter just go conservatives.
there is no real point in any campaign in the west Canada, the districts are too conservatives for other parties to have any real chance, and the conservatives know this perfectly.
I mean, the conservative still do not have any environmental plan, We can receive giec rapports after giec rapports, does not stop the conservative from not even believing in Climate Change, their leader tried to pass a resolution....
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/otoole ... -1.6031239 ( and no, it just show us how much your party care about the subject)

''You do not understand, by sympathizing with the Waffen-SS I am merely rejecting the anglo-wokeist ideology that erases the deep violence and oppression I feel whenever I see a road sign where the English and French text are the same size."

Oversimplification, and refusal to understand. That's very Canadian, and it get olds. At foundation, Canada was supposed to be a bilingual country. Quebec Learn English, other province do not learn French, (even in New-Brunswick who is supposed to be bilingual.)
you can state such statement to attempt to ridiculize my points, but it remains truth that French is in Danger in Canada.
And you don't have to approve Wokeism to be against racism.

Liberals will probably get some seats in the cities.

[Deep Dark Dust Dimensions]

(So far, 34% of respondents to the poll have been proven wrong.)

[Dresderstan]

Tomorrow will the provincial election in Nova Scotia, where we will see if the Liberals will win a rare third term in power. Meanwhile the federal election campaign is now officially underway as Trudeau vies for his own third term in power. The question remains the same for both the provincial and federal Liberals, will the election pay off as they had decent leads in the polls, or will it be much closer than normal?

[Luziyca]

(So far, 34% of respondents to the poll have been proven wrong.)

I don't know, given fall officially starts on September 22nd (the autumnal equinox), only 23% of respondents to the poll have been proven wrong, and thus, us 11% percent who voted that an election will be called in the summer of 2021 are, in fact, correct.

If we assume Trudeau gets another majority government in this election, then it's safe to say that 89% of those who responded to the poll, are in fact, wrong.

[Dresderstan]

Updated the poll btw.

[Immortan Khan]

I won't be voting, personally.

[Transjlwanja]

I'm not yet decided b/n the Conservatives, PPC, or spoiling my ballot.

[Deep Dark Dust Dimensions]

(So far, 34% of respondents to the poll have been proven wrong.)

I don't know, given fall officially starts on September 22nd (the autumnal equinox), only 23% of respondents to the poll have been proven wrong, and thus, us 11% percent who voted that an election will be called in the summer of 2021 are, in fact, correct.

If we assume Trudeau gets another majority government in this election, then it's safe to say that 89% of those who responded to the poll, are in fact, wrong.

Your argument is about as convincing as a minority government with 34% popular support claiming that it has won the elections because rules.

[Luziyca]

I don't know, given fall officially starts on September 22nd (the autumnal equinox), only 23% of respondents to the poll have been proven wrong, and thus, us 11% percent who voted that an election will be called in the summer of 2021 are, in fact, correct.

If we assume Trudeau gets another majority government in this election, then it's safe to say that 89% of those who responded to the poll, are in fact, wrong.

Your argument is about as convincing as a minority government with 34% popular support claiming that it has won the elections because rules.

Point is, given September 20th is before September 22nd, which is when fall officially begins, it's obviously that this is technically a summer election, and not really a fall election.

But given the poll has been updated to reflect the current election campaign, this whole discussion is moot. I think it's also worthy of being put in the Awesome Quotes thread.

Updated the poll btw.

Thanks. I cast my vote for the NDP on the poll, and will do so on Election Day, whether it be in-person or by a mail-in ballot.

[Dresderstan]

Nova Scotia is having it's provincial election today, so if you are from Nova Scotia and haven't voted yet do so.

[Shrillland]

Conservatives plan a GST Holiday in December if elected

The NPF has reached a collective bargaining agreement with the government that would raise RCMP salaries considerably with constables seeing pay jumps of over $20,000 annually

[WayNeacTia]

Ford and Kenney have essentially handed Trudeau a majority, and even if he gets a minority, Singh will form a coalition. Nothing is going to change and Erin O'Toole will never be the PM. Just once I would like if the conservatives could pick a leader who is capable of tying his own shoelaces, but at this point the bar has been set so low, there isn't a major player in the conservative party that could take Trudeau in a game of Go Fish, let alone a federal election. Get used to him being the PM for quite a while folks.

P.S. If I am wrong about this (and I'm not), I will eat my own underwear. That is how confident I am that Trudeau will win.

[Arisyan]

I personally plan on voting NDP. Sadly my riding's NDP MP was unseated in 2019 and id like to get them back in, as they're running again.

[Shrillland]

Ford and Kenney have essentially handed Trudeau a majority, and even if he gets a minority, Singh will form a coalition. Nothing is going to change and Erin O'Toole will never be the PM. Just once I would like if the conservatives could pick a leader who is capable of tying his own shoelaces, but at this point the bar has been set so low, there isn't a major player in the conservative party that could take Trudeau in a game of Go Fish, let alone a federal election. Get used to him being the PM for quite a while folks.

P.S. If I am wrong about this (and I'm not), I will eat my own underwear. That is how confident I am that Trudeau will win.

You're wrong about a coalition forming, the day a coalition forms in Canada is the day cows lay eggs.