Canadian Politics

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I know virtually nothing about Canadian politics other than that you guys do just about everything better than us.

So what would you guys say are the biggest issues facing Canada as a nation right now?

[Luziyca]

I know virtually nothing about Canadian politics other than that you guys do just about everything better than us.

So what would you guys say are the biggest issues facing Canada as a nation right now?

Besides Roger planning to merge with Shaw, two of our spies are being tried by the Chinese government.

[Nevertopia]

In other news, the Conservative Party cant admit that Global Warming is real, citing that greenhouse reduction policies unfairly targets oil companies and that fossil fuels doesnt sound as nice as hydrocarbons to the average canadian.

Never forget that the Conservative Party's stance on climate change policies last elections was "we'll deal with it." i guess they meant they'll deal with the fact that they dont want to have any.

[Arisyan]

I know virtually nothing about Canadian politics other than that you guys do just about everything better than us.

So what would you guys say are the biggest issues facing Canada as a nation right now?

Well, things aren't as peachy as you'd think they are. Canada has quite a bit of problems, and our Conservative Party is gaining in support.

Some of the problems we face besides the pandemic are: healthcare (we don't have a nationalized healthcare system, though it is mostly free. However prescription drugs and dental costs are not free), electoral reform (we use the same electoral system as the US), government transparency (the Canadian government is surprisingly corrupt) and climate change (we're pretty split on the issue.)

[Kowani]

Conservatives reject accepting that "climate change is real"

Conservative delegates at the party's policy convention have voted to reject adding green-friendly statements to the policy book — including a line that would have stated the party believes "climate change is real" and is "willing to act."

The Portneuf—Jacques—Cartier riding in Quebec, which proposed the policy change, also asked delegates to recognize that "Canadian businesses classified as highly polluting need to take more responsibility" and "reduce their GHG emissions."

The policy proposal also included a call to support "innovation in green technologies" so that Canada can become "a world-class leader" in an emerging industry.

Delegates issued a rebuke to climate-minded Conservatives and rejected the policy shift by a margin of 54 per cent to 46. In fact, it was one of only four policy proposals or modifications on a list of 50 pitched by electoral riding associations (EDAs) that were voted down by the delegates.A double majority of delegates — a majority of delegates overall and the majority of delegates in the majority of provinces — must agree to an official policy change.

The clear rejection came hours after Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole urged party members to embrace change or risk losing again to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberals in the next election.

O'Toole said if party members are serious about winning, they must embrace new ideas — even if they go against party orthodoxy.

O'Toole told delegates the party "cannot ignore the reality of climate change" and that the debate "is over."

"We must also recognize that Canadians expect us to have a real plan for the environment. We need to boldly reclaim the environment as an area where Conservatives are leaders," he said.

O'Toole also said he doesn't want Conservative candidates to be branded as "climate change deniers" in the next election campaign.[...]
O'Toole said he won't be dissuaded from addressing the problem of climate change. "Climate change is real. We will have a serious and comprehensive plan," he said.

"It's important to me as a father of young children, as a member of Parliament. Fighting climate change is important to the Conservative Party."

O'Toole did, however, vow to scrap the national carbon tax — he said it's "unfair for working families" — while promising to make "big emitters" pay.

The party's national campaign manager, Fred DeLorey, also tweeted that, despite the vote, "the debate is over and we need a real plan that works, not Trudeau's carbon tax."

While delegates rejected the "climate change is real" proposal, the "policy document already has a section on climate change," DeLorey said. "Akin to us needing to say 'water is wet.'"

(The policy book does state that "in order to have a strong economy and maintain good health, Canada must have strong, coordinated and achievable environmental policies.") [...]There was a fierce debate over the proposed green policy shift during the policy convention Friday, with a clear split in the party ranks over how far the Conservatives should go.

Some delegates embraced a shift in posture, saying they want Canada to adopt green technology while still supporting extractive industries like the oil and gas sector. Others called the proposal an unnecessary gesture to appease climate activists.

"I'm not sure why it's necessary for the Conservative Party to declare climate change is real," one delegate from Scarborough-Centre said.

"The way this section is worded befuddles the issue and may cost us some support. Conservatives need to lead with clarity, focus and intelligent solutions, not buzzwords."

Another delegate, from Perth—Wellington in Ontario, said environmental policy should not be focused on driving down greenhouse gas emissions.

"It's not the only pollutant that we have to worry about," he said. "I'm opposed to this amendment because it unfairly centres on greenhouse gas emissions."

[Luziyca]

I know virtually nothing about Canadian politics other than that you guys do just about everything better than us.

So what would you guys say are the biggest issues facing Canada as a nation right now?

Well, things aren't as peachy as you'd think they are. Canada has quite a bit of problems, and our Conservative Party is gaining in support.

Some of the problems we face besides the pandemic are: healthcare (we don't have a nationalized healthcare system, though it is mostly free. However prescription drugs and dental costs are not free), electoral reform (we use the same electoral system as the US), government transparency (the Canadian government is surprisingly corrupt) and climate change (we're pretty split on the issue.)

Last time I checked Canada does not have the electoral college.

[Arisyan]

Well, things aren't as peachy as you'd think they are. Canada has quite a bit of problems, and our Conservative Party is gaining in support.

Some of the problems we face besides the pandemic are: healthcare (we don't have a nationalized healthcare system, though it is mostly free. However prescription drugs and dental costs are not free), electoral reform (we use the same electoral system as the US), government transparency (the Canadian government is surprisingly corrupt) and climate change (we're pretty split on the issue.)

Last time I checked Canada does not have the electoral college.

well, we use the same system (FPTP), however we do not separately elect our head of state/head of government.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Retards of Thunder Bay march on for the ""truth"" of there facebook conspiracy theory group pages.

I know virtually nothing about Canadian politics other than that you guys do just about everything better than us.

So what would you guys say are the biggest issues facing Canada as a nation right now?

Con party lost brain cells and forgot global warming is real, CF-18 hornet is geting kinda old, Trump branded idiocy leaked into Canadian politics, Liberal party refuses to enact the things they promised and, Alberta's economy needs rebuilding.

Other then those things, its allright.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Conservatives reject accepting that "climate change is real"

Conservative delegates at the party's policy convention have voted to reject adding green-friendly statements to the policy book — including a line that would have stated the party believes "climate change is real" and is "willing to act."

The Portneuf—Jacques—Cartier riding in Quebec, which proposed the policy change, also asked delegates to recognize that "Canadian businesses classified as highly polluting need to take more responsibility" and "reduce their GHG emissions."

The policy proposal also included a call to support "innovation in green technologies" so that Canada can become "a world-class leader" in an emerging industry.

Delegates issued a rebuke to climate-minded Conservatives and rejected the policy shift by a margin of 54 per cent to 46. In fact, it was one of only four policy proposals or modifications on a list of 50 pitched by electoral riding associations (EDAs) that were voted down by the delegates.A double majority of delegates — a majority of delegates overall and the majority of delegates in the majority of provinces — must agree to an official policy change.

The clear rejection came hours after Conservative Leader Erin O'Toole urged party members to embrace change or risk losing again to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the Liberals in the next election.

O'Toole said if party members are serious about winning, they must embrace new ideas — even if they go against party orthodoxy.

O'Toole told delegates the party "cannot ignore the reality of climate change" and that the debate "is over."

"We must also recognize that Canadians expect us to have a real plan for the environment. We need to boldly reclaim the environment as an area where Conservatives are leaders," he said.

O'Toole also said he doesn't want Conservative candidates to be branded as "climate change deniers" in the next election campaign.[...]
O'Toole said he won't be dissuaded from addressing the problem of climate change. "Climate change is real. We will have a serious and comprehensive plan," he said.

"It's important to me as a father of young children, as a member of Parliament. Fighting climate change is important to the Conservative Party."

O'Toole did, however, vow to scrap the national carbon tax — he said it's "unfair for working families" — while promising to make "big emitters" pay.

The party's national campaign manager, Fred DeLorey, also tweeted that, despite the vote, "the debate is over and we need a real plan that works, not Trudeau's carbon tax."

While delegates rejected the "climate change is real" proposal, the "policy document already has a section on climate change," DeLorey said. "Akin to us needing to say 'water is wet.'"

(The policy book does state that "in order to have a strong economy and maintain good health, Canada must have strong, coordinated and achievable environmental policies.") [...]There was a fierce debate over the proposed green policy shift during the policy convention Friday, with a clear split in the party ranks over how far the Conservatives should go.

Some delegates embraced a shift in posture, saying they want Canada to adopt green technology while still supporting extractive industries like the oil and gas sector. Others called the proposal an unnecessary gesture to appease climate activists.

"I'm not sure why it's necessary for the Conservative Party to declare climate change is real," one delegate from Scarborough-Centre said.

"The way this section is worded befuddles the issue and may cost us some support. Conservatives need to lead with clarity, focus and intelligent solutions, not buzzwords."

Another delegate, from Perth—Wellington in Ontario, said environmental policy should not be focused on driving down greenhouse gas emissions.

"It's not the only pollutant that we have to worry about," he said. "I'm opposed to this amendment because it unfairly centres on greenhouse gas emissions."

Atleast O'Toole isn't being a tool about this, but with this policy change will insure my vote doesn't go to the cons.

Milltary is the only thing I agree with them, other then that they can go get stuffed.

Any party that is dumb enough to deny science looses my respect. Fuck science denial.

[Jedi Council]

I know virtually nothing about Canadian politics other than that you guys do just about everything better than us.

So what would you guys say are the biggest issues facing Canada as a nation right now?

Well, things aren't as peachy as you'd think they are. Canada has quite a bit of problems, and our Conservative Party is gaining in support.

Some of the problems we face besides the pandemic are: healthcare (we don't have a nationalized healthcare system, though it is mostly free. However prescription drugs and dental costs are not free), electoral reform (we use the same electoral system as the US), government transparency (the Canadian government is surprisingly corrupt) and climate change (we're pretty split on the issue.)

Uhhhhhh the Tories are not gaining support, they've been stuck around 30% since the pandemic started. Since that time the story has been about the same; the Liberals hold a stable, if narrow, lead while the NDP bob up and down and the Conservatives hold steady.

In other news, the Conservative Party cant admit that Global Warming is real, citing that greenhouse reduction policies unfairly targets oil companies and that fossil fuels doesnt sound as nice as hydrocarbons to the average canadian.

Never forget that the Conservative Party's stance on climate change policies last elections was "we'll deal with it." i guess they meant they'll deal with the fact that they dont want to have any.

The Tories will never, ever care about the environment. They are too worried about being outflanked by a Reform style Western movement.

It will be an issue for then; most Canadians think climate change is very important and the Liberal climate plan is actually quite good.

[Luziyca]

Retards of Thunder Bay march on for the ""truth"" of there facebook conspiracy theory group pages.

There've been rallies against masks and what not for basically the past several weekends. I've not bothered linking to the news articles because those anti-maskers don't need any more attention nor a platform to peddle their nonsense.

Anyway, after a report showed that the RCMP discriminated against the Boushie family, they're going to implement the recommendations.

[Nilokeras]

the Liberal climate plan is actually quite good.

Ah yes the Liberal climate plan - bringing you the best of 2003, today.

[Luziyca]

the Liberal climate plan is actually quite good.

Ah yes the Liberal climate plan - bringing you the best of 2003, today.

Still better than what the Tories have on the table.

[Nilokeras]

Ah yes the Liberal climate plan - bringing you the best of 2003, today.

Still better than what the Tories have on the table.

An attitude that ensures our politics remain trapped in 2003 while the world moves on around us.

[Major-Tom]

Still better than what the Tories have on the table.

An attitude that ensures our politics remain trapped in 2003 while the world moves on around us.

Could be worse. If Canada is in 2003, then where are we, your friendly neighbors to the south?

[Kowani]

An attitude that ensures our politics remain trapped in 2003 while the world moves on around us.

Could be worse. If Canada is in 2003, then where are we, your friendly neighbors to the south?

hell

[Dresderstan]

An attitude that ensures our politics remain trapped in 2003 while the world moves on around us.

Could be worse. If Canada is in 2003, then where are we, your friendly neighbors to the south?

On the verge of civil war and potential revolution and coup.

[Nilokeras]

An attitude that ensures our politics remain trapped in 2003 while the world moves on around us.

Could be worse. If Canada is in 2003, then where are we, your friendly neighbors to the south?

Moving on, for better or for worse. It's one of Canada's great ironies that we think of ourselves as being so enlightened and progressive, when in reality so much of our political culture is focus on ensuring that nothing ever changes or becomes better.

[Nevertopia]

Could be worse. If Canada is in 2003, then where are we, your friendly neighbors to the south?

Moving on, for better or for worse. It's one of Canada's great ironies that we think of ourselves as being so enlightened and progressive, when in reality so much of our political culture is focus on ensuring that nothing ever changes or becomes better.

Your personal feelings aside, objectively the climate denial by the conservatives is a poor decision and they've guaranteed that I will not be voting for them.

[Kubra]

the Liberal climate plan is actually quite good.

Ah yes the Liberal climate plan - bringing you the best of 2003, today.

tis the nature of Canada to always be a few years behind the trends.
Could be worse, could be a couple decades. *Y'all know who you are.*

[Jedi Council]

Ah yes the Liberal climate plan - bringing you the best of 2003, today.

Still better than what the Tories have on the table.

An exceedingly low bar

[Nilokeras]

Moving on, for better or for worse. It's one of Canada's great ironies that we think of ourselves as being so enlightened and progressive, when in reality so much of our political culture is focus on ensuring that nothing ever changes or becomes better.

Your personal feelings aside, objectively the climate denial by the conservatives is a poor decision and they've guaranteed that I will not be voting for them.

It's a poor decision on multiple fronts - both for the Tories' leadership under O'Toole, who have seemingly lost the battle with their oil culture war wing and doomed themselves to permanent minority status, and for us as a country, since with the NDP being relegated to bouncing up and down in the House saying 'me too me too!' to all of the Liberals' policy platforms there's nothing to drive the Liberals to follow through with any of their policies or innovate in any way.

[Shrillland]

The Government will not appeal Ontario Superior Court's ruling striking down key section of the Elections Act 2018

The court ruled specifically that a section that banned mis- and disinformation violated Section 2.

[Nilokeras]

The Government will not appeal Ontario Superior Court's ruling striking down key section of the Elections Act 2018

The court ruled specifically that a section that banned mis- and disinformation violated Section 2.

Probably a good thing - the section was apparently a bit too broad, since it banned either knowingly or unknowingly spreading mis or disinformation. It might be worth having a law about knowingly spreading false information but not having a qualifier there is a pretty dangerous line to cross.

[Shrillland]

The Government will not appeal Ontario Superior Court's ruling striking down key section of the Elections Act 2018

The court ruled specifically that a section that banned mis- and disinformation violated Section 2.

Probably a good thing - the section was apparently a bit too broad, since it banned either knowingly or unknowingly spreading mis or disinformation. It might be worth having a law about knowingly spreading false information but not having a qualifier there is a pretty dangerous line to cross.

Hmmm...it could pass the Oakes test, but it would have to be pretty specific as to what mis and disinformation actually is, otherwise it faces pretty long odds at Supreme Court level.