Canadian Politics

[Saiwania]

Y'all have some of the same extremists, I get that, but certainly in lower quantities and at lower volumes. Even spending a few weeks in deeply conservative Alberta, I felt less culture-shocked than I did when I visited Mississippi or North Carolina.

The Overton window just hasn't been moved to the right far enough in Canada. But with enough time and effort, perhaps one of those days. Alberta has the potential to be as extreme right as Mississippi. Maybe Abortion will be banned there in 20 years or so as one example.

[Major-Tom]

Y'all have some of the same extremists, I get that, but certainly in lower quantities and at lower volumes. Even spending a few weeks in deeply conservative Alberta, I felt less culture-shocked than I did when I visited Mississippi or North Carolina.

The Overton windows just hasn't been moved to the right far enough in Canada. But with enough time and effort, perhaps one of those days. Alberta has the potential to be as extreme right as Mississippi. Maybe Abortion will be banned there in 20 years or so as one example.

I hope to god you're not a betting man, for your own sake.

[The Marlborough]

It won't fly from what I can gather, because too much of Canadian politics revolves around being "not America" rather than focusing on whatever could make or keep Canada being a strong/wealthy nation/society independent of what is going on south of the border.

I mean at times it can be like that but then again, how is this different than how Central Americans want to differentiate themselves from Mexico? Hell, a huge chunk of southern American identity is wrapped up in how they aren't them damn Yankees. Plus we are a strong and wealthy country already, it's not like we're poor as shit lmao.

The status quo of Canadian politics is a bit lame in my view if the prevailing attitudes really are nothing more than to aspire to just do the opposite of what the US is doing no matter what.

Good thing that's not what is happening.

" The US doesn't have universial healthcare? We must keep our system going (even if its constantly losing money and isn't rated well amongst countries with free healthcare).

One of the major debates emerging is how to best reform our healthcare system lol.

The US has lots of guns? We have to have strict gun control because we're far more civilized and British than the Yanks ever can be," and on and on.

This one I'll grant you because Trudeau has been trying to import American gun politics here like an asshole.

The obsession with the War of 1812, about how the Canadians truly "defeated the Americans on their own soil" is a load of petty nonsense for the most part. It is perhaps or maybe compensating for a lack of real accomplishments within Canada's broader history.

We take pride in a lot of things in our history but the War of 1812 rings particularly strong because it's the closest we've come to be wiped out of history. Come back to me when you guys stop obsessing over the American Revolution.

I have hopes that maybe one of these days, Canada will progress beyond this counterproductive framework, just as American Liberals should stop automatically looking to Canada as the prime model for how they wish they could transform the US to become more alike its neighbor to the north.

I actually hope we stay as far away from coming close to the BS you guys have to deal with.

[Fauzjhia]

Y'all have some of the same extremists, I get that, but certainly in lower quantities and at lower volumes. Even spending a few weeks in deeply conservative Alberta, I felt less culture-shocked than I did when I visited Mississippi or North Carolina.

The Overton window just hasn't been moved to the right far enough in Canada. But with enough time and effort, perhaps one of those days. Alberta has the potential to be as extreme right as Mississippi. Maybe Abortion will be banned there in 20 years or so as one example.

Ho please. Canada banning abortion is exactly what the nationalists want to hear. so we can argue that there is a large difference of culture between Canada and Québec, And that independence is the only Quebec Women could protect their rights.
Sadly. the Supreme of Canada, will cite article 7 of the charters of rights, and poof, any bill banning abortion will be unconstitutional.

Seriously, any talk about banning abortion in Canada is not realist at all. That won't happen, don't dream.

[Stellar Colonies]

I sometimes have the impression that Québec and maybe British Columbia pull Canadian politics to what Americans would generally call the left the same way that the American South and Midwest pull US politics to the right, although that is probably an inaccurate oversimplification.

[Nevertopia]

I sometimes have the impression that Québec and maybe British Columbia pull Canadian politics to what Americans would generally call the left the same way that the American South and Midwest pull US politics to the right, although that is probably an inaccurate oversimplification.

Probably. Without data we cant say for certain. Anyone watch the game tonight? Canucks vs leafs? I wouldnt know, never been a hockey guy. Yay sports?

[Fauzjhia]

I sometimes have the impression that Québec and maybe British Columbia pull Canadian politics to what Americans would generally call the left the same way that the American South and Midwest pull US politics to the right, although that is probably an inaccurate oversimplification.

Dunno. might depend on what topics you are speaking.

when we presented the bill 21, we were presented in the English Canada as extremely conservative and racists. (the bill that that prevent you from wearing religious symbol when you are in service of the State

Apparently. and I quote : "This type of bill increases racism and discrimination by providing futile grounds to white nationalism, neo-nazis, and white supremacists," Opponent even compared our government to the NAZI, nothing less.
Man we're preventing you from wearing your religious when you represent the neutral, just as we would prevent you from wearing a t-shirt of the Parti Québecois or the Montreal Canadians... It has nothing to do with Nazi..
And Quebecois would not be allowed to wear their religious too, so it has nothing to with discrimination, religion or race, its a law that apply to everyone.

Every single Quebec time, or nationalists in Quebec are trying to push foward nationalism, we are being directly associated to the right-wing in English Canada and US. I just don't understand. We accept and include cultural minorities in our project. Come on, this is not some white nationalism.

Even my party (Québec Solidaire) Oppose the bill 21, because it apparently oppress the minorities.

[Nilokeras]

I sometimes have the impression that Québec and maybe British Columbia pull Canadian politics to what Americans would generally call the left the same way that the American South and Midwest pull US politics to the right, although that is probably an inaccurate oversimplification.

BC is sort of in a weird category all its own I think. Up until 2017 we had a very bog standard small l liberal pro-business party in power for 20 years, and the vast majority of BC's history consisted of decades-long conservative Social Credit governments. There were a few punctuating NDP governments here and there that tended to make an outsized impact though, including Dave 'here for a good time, not for a long time' Barrett in the 70's who famously rammed through an average of three bills a day over the course of a three year majority term and in so doing set the stage for much of BC's left leaning institutions, like the first environmental protection laws and our human rights tribunal. On a federal stage too we have a sharp urban rural divide: 50% of the province lives in Metro Vancouver, which votes much like urban centres anywhere else in Canada (smattering of Liberal, NDP and Tory seats) while the rural parts of the province are split between the coasts (which vote NDP, largely as a legacy of strong forestry unions) and the interior, which votes as hard Tory as anywhere in Alberta. If I had to characterize the leftward shift of the province it's probably a result of growing urbanization and transition to a service economy, paired with an electoral backlash triggered by a long slow process of mismanagement by the reigning liberals as the 'we've been in power for too long' rot set in.

[Nevertopia]

I sometimes have the impression that Québec and maybe British Columbia pull Canadian politics to what Americans would generally call the left the same way that the American South and Midwest pull US politics to the right, although that is probably an inaccurate oversimplification.

BC is sort of in a weird category all its own I think. Up until 2017 we had a very bog standard small l liberal pro-business party in power for 20 years, and the vast majority of BC's history consisted of decades-long conservative Social Credit governments. There were a few punctuating NDP governments here and there that tended to make an outsized impact though, including Dave 'here for a good time, not for a long time' Barrett in the 70's who famously rammed through an average of three bills a day over the course of a three year majority term and in so doing set the stage for much of BC's left leaning institutions, like the first environmental protection laws and our human rights tribunal. On a federal stage too we have a sharp urban rural divide: 50% of the province lives in Metro Vancouver, which votes much like urban centres anywhere else in Canada (smattering of Liberal, NDP and Tory seats) while the rural parts of the province are split between the coasts (which vote NDP, largely as a legacy of strong forestry unions) and the interior, which votes as hard Tory as anywhere in Alberta. If I had to characterize the leftward shift of the province it's probably a result of growing urbanization and transition to a service economy, paired with an electoral backlash triggered by a long slow process of mismanagement by the reigning liberals as the 'we've been in power for too long' rot set in.

its funny how the coastal provinces share the same sentiments on politics.

[Kowani]

Canada's House of Commons to vote on accusing China of genocide against the Uygurs in Xinjiang

[Shrillland]

Canada's House of Commons to vote on accusing China of genocide against the Uygurs in Xinjiang

Trudeau'd better not fuck this up.

[Kowani]

Canada vows to be next country to make Facebook pay for news

[Fauzjhia]

Canada vows to be next country to make Facebook pay for news

Guess its good new that Canada try to pay facebook for their usage of canadians news, but they should make facebook pay Quebec newpapers and Canadian newpapers seperatly. Canada is just not my country and never was,

[Shrillland]

Today, the government released a White Paper calling for 56 changes to the Official Languages Act, most of which would encourage increased Francophone language rights.

[Arisyan]

whoah, a lot happened in this thread when I was away. whew!

Today, the government released a White Paper calling for 56 changes to the Official Languages Act, most of which would encourage increased Francophone language rights.

this is good, more French language rights are always welcomed and will also appease Quebec so win-win.

Canada vows to be next country to make Facebook pay for news

Yes, finally! make those mega-corporations pay up!

Canada's House of Commons to vote on accusing China of genocide against the Uygurs in Xinjiang

Show China who's boss!

I sometimes have the impression that Québec and maybe British Columbia pull Canadian politics to what Americans would generally call the left the same way that the American South and Midwest pull US politics to the right, although that is probably an inaccurate oversimplification.

this is both correct and incorrect at the same time. Quebec currently has a very conservative government in place, and hasn't really ever had a "centre-left" government per se. (most of the time it was either a PQ minority government or centre-right liberal majority). British Columbia only recently became the California of Canada, previously mainly being a pretty economically liberal province.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Keep in mind I RP the real world based nations of Quebec Quebec, NS Ottawa Canada, and many nations, but they need editing to be current. So I have an interest in Quebec and Canada politics.

Lesly Lewis, the Black Canadian Lady From Jamaica is awesome, I hope one day she becomes the first Lady Prime Minister of Canada of foreign birth and descent. I would RP her as Prime Minister of NS Ottawa Canada.

Her views are socially conservative: This is an awesome nationalist video of Canada from Lesly Lewis, I have not been able to find her views on legal and illegal immigration in Canada, where I might strongly disagree with the lady.

was from Leslyn Lewis

[16] While she considers conversion therapy "an atrocious thing", she raised concerns about the Canadian government's proposed ban, citing an unclear definition that risks penalizing conversations with parents or religious leaders.

Interesting.

[17] She stated that while she personally defines marriage as between a man and a woman, she would not roll back existing legislation allowing equal marriage in Canada - and that she thinks reactions to climate change are overblown "in some respects".

I strongly agree with the Lady.

[18] She has stated that she would like to make marijuana access more restrictive and that she thinks reactions to climate change are overblown "in some respects".

I would make marijuana very restrictive. I would make all illegal criminal drugs very restrictive. I would have to study medical marijuana. I don't believe in the climate change believers, but there are specific problems that need to be fixed, on a case by case basis no matter what one calls them.

[19] She has publicly desc as "pro-life, no hidden agenda" and as leader would have the Conservative Party move to ban sex-selective abortion and coerced abortion. Increase government funding for crisis pregnancy centres (which counsel women against abortion), and she would end foreign aid funding for abortion.

I strongly agree with the Lady. I am against abortions unless it hurts the life of the mother or the kid to be is to be born with an incurable disease or deformed. I would end funding for abortions in other nations. I consider abortion as preventing the life of a baby to be, a kid to be and a person to be, this is how I define it. All government and private social services should be provided by private and religious non profit social organizations, government funding to these non profit organizations would depend on their needs on a case by case basis.

[20] Her candidacy has been endorsed by pro-life advocacy groups including the Campaign Life Coalition.

I support the right to die Euthanasia with dignity law - in the less painless way possible as determined by medical experts, performed by a licensed doctor, with very few restrictions if any.

[21] She opposed carbon taxes and supports promoting green technology as an alternative policy.[21]

I support the US, Canada, Keystone oil pipeline.

I oppose carbon taxes, I think it increases gas prices at the pumps. I favor almost all kinds of energy production at the same time, oil, gas and solar. I favor oil on land and oppose it off the coasts, I think oil spills on land are easier to deal with. As supported by retired Republican congress Lady Ileana Ros-Lehtinen. I am against nuclear energy, I think it is to dangerous. I strongly support Fracking in states and provinces where needed and wanted. I am against titling windmills, they look so ugly, yuck.

I have read Canada grants citizenship based on both birth right citizenship and non birth right citizenship, depending on certain circumstances. I would end birth right citizenship. Legal immigration is legal immigration with all their rights respected as passed by parliament and signed into laws by the prime ministers. Illegal immigration is illegal immigration and would not be tolerated, it is this easy to do and understand, and it really is this easy to understand.

I don't know who came up with the ridiculous idea to call ethnic minorities visible minorities, there is nothing visible or invisible about them, they are ethnic minorities, I would call them feature minorities and minorities.

For the post record, I might re post any or all of these points on other related threads at any time, word for word or with similar words as the broken record I am, lol. There are just a few different, similar ways of saying the same, lol.

Contrary to popular belief, I have posted many detailed posts on many past and current issues on NS throughout my over 10 years on NS, and I can prove it. But many persons strongly disagree with my detailed views, lol again.

Lesly Lewis is an Awesome Canadian Lady.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslyn_Lewis

[Fauzjhia]

Keep in mind I RP the real world based nations of Quebec Quebec, NS Ottawa Canada, and many nations, but they need editing to be current. So I have an interest in Quebec and Canada politics.

Lesly Lewis, the Black Canadian Lady From Jamaica is awesome, I hope one day she becomes the first Lady Prime Minister of Canada of foreign birth and descent. I would RP her as Prime Minister of NS Ottawa Canada.
...... bla bla bla edited and shorted

Lesly Lewis is an Awesome Canadian Lady.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslyn_Lewis

you know why I believeI might like this.
because the first nationalist leader will this advantage of such a politician to illustrate the difference of value between Quebec and Canada and will speak how the sovereignty of Quebec is only solution to protect individuals, So, present us a Conservative anglophone Prime Minister of Canada.

Miss Lewis might not be a (native canadian) but I assure, she do not understand Québec and nationalist are just waiting for such a candidacy to be proposed.

Edit : Both referendum on Quebec Independance where won by important francophone campaigning on the no side, not by anglophones, they would probably loses.

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

I sometimes have the impression that Québec and maybe British Columbia pull Canadian politics to what Americans would generally call the left the same way that the American South and Midwest pull US politics to the right, although that is probably an inaccurate oversimplification.

A big eeeeeek.....

Where would the Maritimes belong in that case?

[Arisyan]

I sometimes have the impression that Québec and maybe British Columbia pull Canadian politics to what Americans would generally call the left the same way that the American South and Midwest pull US politics to the right, although that is probably an inaccurate oversimplification.

A big eeeeeek.....

Where would the Maritimes belong in that case?

Most likely pulling Canada towards the centre.

[Dresderstan]

Canada's House of Commons to vote on accusing China of genocide against the Uygurs in Xinjiang

266 voted yes, weirdly 72 abstained. Also Trudeau himself abstained.

EDIT: This is the CBC article

[Yawkland]

Y'all have some of the same extremists, I get that, but certainly in lower quantities and at lower volumes. Even spending a few weeks in deeply conservative Alberta, I felt less culture-shocked than I did when I visited Mississippi or North Carolina.

The Overton window just hasn't been moved to the right far enough in Canada. But with enough time and effort, perhaps one of those days. Alberta has the potential to be as extreme right as Mississippi. Maybe Abortion will be banned there in 20 years or so as one example.

Neither are really that far-right when they're deeply plugged into the neoliberal financial order and military-industrial complex. Alberta is critical to global commodity markets and Mississippi is home to and supports numerous military installations that are used to wage war in the name of liberal capitalism.

If they were actually far-right they'd be opposing the American-led global order and pursuing populist nationalism.

[Nevertopia]

Canada's House of Commons to vote on accusing China of genocide against the Uygurs in Xinjiang

Trudeau'd better not fuck this up.

Narrator: He indeed fucked up.

[Dresderstan]

Trudeau'd better not fuck this up.

Narrator: He indeed fucked up.

Well he and his cabinet abstained, goes to show where he stands, good than a supermajority from all sides said, yes this is a genocide.

[The Marlborough]

Canada's House of Commons to vote on accusing China of genocide against the Uygurs in Xinjiang

266 voted yes, weirdly 72 abstained. Also Trudeau himself abstained.

EDIT: This is the CBC article

It is a mixed day. I'm glad that Parliament passed it but really disappointed that the government decided to be cowards.

[Nevertopia]

266 voted yes, weirdly 72 abstained. Also Trudeau himself abstained.

EDIT: This is the CBC article

It is a mixed day. I'm glad that Parliament passed it but really disappointed that the government decided to be cowards.

on one hand it could be argued that Trudeau didnt want to make any waves due to China pressuring us with their kidnapped canadian citizens and us holding one of their criminals, on the other hand fuck the CCP.