Creationism in Public Schools

[Genivaria]

So why do people take it seriously? If the bible quite obviously ignores scientific fact, why do people use it as a alternative to science?

God is more important to them than science.

You mean that religious claims are more important to them than reality.

[Tekania]

Of course it does. Some passages in the Bible depend on ignoring science.

So why do people take it seriously? If the bible quite obviously ignores scientific fact, why do people use it as a alternative to science?

Fantasy is more important to them than reality. It's kind of like when someone takes their fandom into unhealthy levels.

[Geneviev]

God is more important to them than science.

You mean that religious claims are more important to them than reality.

You could say it that way. Although they would consider the Bible to be reality.

[Genivaria]

You mean that religious claims are more important to them than reality.

You could say it that way. Although they would consider the Bible to be reality.

So you think that reality is just a matter of opinion? You don't believe in objective reality?

[Hammer Britannia]

You could say it that way. Although they would consider the Bible to be reality.

So you think that reality is just a matter of opinion? You don't believe in objective reality?

Nah, clearly the bible is the reality stone and whoever holds it can make reality whatever they want it to be.

[Geneviev]

You could say it that way. Although they would consider the Bible to be reality.

So you think that reality is just a matter of opinion? You don't believe in objective reality?

No, but they have the right to believe in the Bible, even if it might be wrong.

[Hammer Britannia]

So you think that reality is just a matter of opinion? You don't believe in objective reality?

No, but they have the right to believe in the Bible, even if it might be wrong.

Yeah, it's wrong. So it shouldn't be taught as fact, especially when it contradicts with reality.

[Geneviev]

No, but they have the right to believe in the Bible, even if it might be wrong.

Yeah, it's wrong. So it shouldn't be taught as fact, especially when it contradicts with reality.

Yes.

[Damergia]

We all know when they say creationism, they mean the bible. When they implement creationism, it will be Sunday school for 6 days a week instead of one. It would be a proper class if they teach all of the various religion's thoughts on how the world is created. That could be a religious theory class in college. I also support teaching evolution since I believe science was created by God to help the world work in its processes. It helps us understand the world around us. The US is also a secular state, so we should teach scientific theory to separate church and state.

[Katganistan]

I have zero problem with the way I was raised:

I learned science in school -- evolution, plate tectonics, conservation of matter, inertia, entropy, etc. Was expected to Know My Shit.

"We think God created the world. Then he took His hands off His creation and let nature take its course." ie all the laws and theories man has observed over time.

Pope John Paul II said nothing in science contradicted Genesis. Pope Pius XII in the 1950s grudgingly had said the same.

Pope Francis says it is compatible with Catholicism.

If you want to say to your own kids "we believe God started it, but evolution and all the things we observed ABSOLUTELY have taken place," you're giving them the tools to exist in 21st century society. But the public schools should not have to say anything about it, unless a kid explicitly asks, and the answer should be "Some people believe God created everything, others do not. If you want to know more about God's role in creation, please speak to your family/clergy," and move on.

[The Alma Mater]

God is more important to them than science.

You mean that religious claims are more important to them than reality.

Is that not the definition of faith ?

[New Legland]

“If this bible was good enough for JHAY-ZUSS, it’s good enough for me!”

*pounds King James Bible on podium*




Yes some say that unironically.

I just pictured the bold and now I can’t stop laughing.

Odd, I can't stop crying.

[Andromeda Islands]

Creation Science isn't science it is religion. Religion doesn't belong in a science class.

Science is objective. Religion is subjective.


Science is superior to religion.

Science is what got the US to the moon fifty years ago.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Creation Science isn't science it is religion. Religion doesn't belong in a science class.

Science is objective. Religion is subjective.

Science is superior to religion.

Science is what got the US to the moon fifty years ago.

[Somwhwat-Obnoxious Emojis snipped]

Yes, No, Yes, Yes.

Science is subjective, that's the point of science. What is scientific fact is not set in stone. If you somehow find scientific evidence that 2+2=5, then it can and will be debated.

However, Creationism has no evidence outside of pointing at things and saying "It proves my holy book!" when it just could as easily prove any other

[Katganistan]

Scientists can be religious without it interfering in their pursuit of science, and insisting that God is part of the process.

They can be faithful in the proper circumstance, and leave it at the door when objectively studying How Things Work. Because really, that's what science is: learning about, and explaining How Things Work. And how OTHER things MIGHT work, given what we know about how THESE things work.

When you say 'this works because religion" and there is not a quantifiable, repeatable test of that, you have ceased to be a scientist (or at least a good one) because you have decided the answer to your question before it's been tested and verified and peer reviewed.

[Tekania]

Yes, it's hard to be scientific when you insist that things have to be magic.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Scientists can be religious without it interfering in their pursuit of science, and insisting that God is part of the process.

They can be faithful in the proper circumstance, and leave it at the door when objectively studying How Things Work. Because really, that's what science is: learning about, and explaining How Things Work. And how OTHER things MIGHT work, given what we know about how THESE things work.

When you say 'this works because religion" and there is not a quantifiable, repeatable test of that, you have ceased to be a scientist (or at least a good one) because you have decided the answer to your question before it's been tested and verified and peer reviewed.

Being religious at all is only slightly better though. Look what religion's done to embryonic stem cell research.

You can only compartmentalize your brain so much before it starts infecting the way in which one votes.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Just think of all the extra time, getting religious education out of schools, would free up for more algebra and PE.

[The Free Joy State]

Just think of all the extra time, getting religious education out of schools, would free up for more algebra and PE.

At the expense of leaving hardline-religious parents free to tell their children unopposed untruths about the beliefs and practises of other groups, turning all other faiths than their own into some kind of terrifying spectre of "otherness"...

[Free Arabian Nation]

Just think of all the extra time, getting religious education out of schools, would free up for more algebra and PE.

At the expense of leaving hardline-religious parents free to tell their children unopposed untruths about the beliefs and practises of other groups, turning all other faiths than their own into some kind of terrifying spectre of "otherness"...

Or just ban religion

Nah, I ain't that authoritarian.

[Kernen]

At the expense of leaving hardline-religious parents free to tell their children unopposed untruths about the beliefs and practises of other groups, turning all other faiths than their own into some kind of terrifying spectre of "otherness"...

Or just ban religion

Nah, I ain't that authoritarian.

I am.

[Kowani]

Just think of all the extra time, getting religious education out of schools, would free up for more algebra and PE.

At the expense of leaving hardline-religious parents free to tell their children unopposed untruths about the beliefs and practises of other groups, turning all other faiths than their own into some kind of terrifying spectre of "otherness"...

Homeschooling is illegal now.

[Tombradyonia]

I don't think that creationism has any place in school because it is basically nonsense.

And besides, what makes people think that their particular brand of religion and their particular fantasy friend is real and all the other religions with assorted fantasy friends are not?

The bible is so full of nonsensical claims (apart from the gleeful support of slavery, massacres of unbelievers and so on) that science has already picked apart that the thing to do would be to ignore it altogether.

Even the genesis story is contradictory nonsense that makes no sense and if it were written today hardly a single person alive would even consider believing it on account of how dumb it is.

[The Free Joy State]

At the expense of leaving hardline-religious parents free to tell their children unopposed untruths about the beliefs and practises of other groups, turning all other faiths than their own into some kind of terrifying spectre of "otherness"...

Homeschooling is illegal now.

Would that it were -- or, rather, that it were subject to severe oversight.

But removing comparative religious studies from schools would leave more children susceptible to whatever their parents chose to tell them. As the protests in Birmingham show, it isn't only the children of parents with secular beliefs that attend secular schools.

[Kowani]

Homeschooling is illegal now.

Would that it were -- or subject to severe oversight, at least.

But removing comparative religious studies from schools would leave more children susceptible to whatever their parents chose to tell them. As the protests in Birmingham show, it isn't only the children of parents with secular beliefs that attend secular schools.

Fair.