Those can wait, space is the only alternative. If you really want we can put all the gay luxury crap on Triton or Makemake, where nobody will notice or care about it.
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by Auze » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:39 am
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by The Free Joy State » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:32 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government
as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail
Infected Mushroom wrote:Many are quick to condemn a foreign regime but if they give us cheap products, we'll support them economically
this has been decisively demonstrated
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:34 am
The Free Joy State wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government
as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail
I'm not sure what you're reading that you think proves your point?
Six people would always buy what is cheapest (13%)
Six people would mostly buy what is cheapest but occassionally buy locally (13%)
Eleven people would mostly buy locally but buy more expensive items globally (24%)
23 people would always buy locally (50%).
by Ifreann » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:46 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government
as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail
by The New California Republic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:51 am
Ifreann wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail
As expected, you are making a moral judgement here, the judgement that you obviously wanted to make from the start. You want to condemn people who denounce the Chinese government and yet buy Chinese goods, but you give no consideration to the practical realities of people's lives.
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:01 am
Ifreann wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government
Your poll doesn't cover the option I would choose. It's very limited and there's no point in trying to draw conclusions from it.as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail
As expected, you are making a moral judgement here, the judgement that you obviously wanted to make from the start. You want to condemn people who denounce the Chinese government and yet buy Chinese goods, but you give no consideration to the practical realities of people's lives.
by Ifreann » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:03 am
The New California Republic wrote:Ifreann wrote:As expected, you are making a moral judgement here, the judgement that you obviously wanted to make from the start. You want to condemn people who denounce the Chinese government and yet buy Chinese goods, but you give no consideration to the practical realities of people's lives.
He is basically doing the exact same thing in the other China thread at the moment. I don't know why there is some PRC shilling going on at the moment...
by The New California Republic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:04 am
Ifreann wrote:The New California Republic wrote:He is basically doing the exact same thing in the other China thread at the moment. I don't know why there is some PRC shilling going on at the moment...
Well he loves authoritarian governments, and also hates the idea of putting morals or principles of any kind ahead of his own self-interest.
by Free Arabian Nation » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:07 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government
as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail
by The Chuck » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:07 am
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by Ifreann » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:10 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Ifreann wrote:Your poll doesn't cover the option I would choose. It's very limited and there's no point in trying to draw conclusions from it.
As expected, you are making a moral judgement here, the judgement that you obviously wanted to make from the start. You want to condemn people who denounce the Chinese government and yet buy Chinese goods, but you give no consideration to the practical realities of people's lives.
Its not included because I'm not seeing it as a realistic option
The liberal democratic country was written to be a very functional system with a stable government. I'm not seeing how you're reading into the scenario that a communist revolution could be successful or have any more support than IRL.
if anything, this scenario takes place in a fairly idealised society. In no country IRL can you have SUCH easy economics textbook access to all products with identical sets in prices (100% vs 133%). This is a highly functional and idealised country; there's nothing in a casual reading of the scenario that reasonably suggests large numbers of people would be interested in trying to overthrow the government.
In fact, it was written so that the democratic aspect of it works better than IRL too. That is, the people's views ARE democratically represented.
So if the people wanted to change things, they'd act through the government (voting in another party etc) as opposed to trying to start a revolution. There's no reason to work outside of the system.
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:11 am
The Chuck wrote:One question... does this liberal democratic paradise allow the owning of weapons and if so... what are the restrictions? (I have a complex convoluted plan if the answer is what I hope it is).
by Free Arabian Nation » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:12 am
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:12 am
Ifreann wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
Its not included because I'm not seeing it as a realistic option
The liberal democratic country was written to be a very functional system with a stable government. I'm not seeing how you're reading into the scenario that a communist revolution could be successful or have any more support than IRL.
Building the support for it is, obviously enough, one of the necessary steps.if anything, this scenario takes place in a fairly idealised society. In no country IRL can you have SUCH easy economics textbook access to all products with identical sets in prices (100% vs 133%). This is a highly functional and idealised country; there's nothing in a casual reading of the scenario that reasonably suggests large numbers of people would be interested in trying to overthrow the government.
I suggested an overthrow of the economic system, not the government.In fact, it was written so that the democratic aspect of it works better than IRL too. That is, the people's views ARE democratically represented.
Maybe that idea existed in your mind, but you did not actually write anything of the sort when I responded.So if the people wanted to change things, they'd act through the government (voting in another party etc) as opposed to trying to start a revolution. There's no reason to work outside of the system.
If bringing about a new economic system requires only winning some elections, good.
by The New California Republic » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:13 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:For me, if guns are allowed, you eventually get to the USA's situation whether sooner or later
by Ifreann » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:18 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Ifreann wrote:Building the support for it is, obviously enough, one of the necessary steps.
I suggested an overthrow of the economic system, not the government.
Maybe that idea existed in your mind, but you did not actually write anything of the sort when I responded.
If bringing about a new economic system requires only winning some elections, good.
you can try to campaign for change but then what is your argument for it?
Oh we need to install communism?
why would people believe it can work (they don't in this world)?
Why do you think it will be any more popular than in real life?
by The Chuck » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:20 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:The Chuck wrote:One question... does this liberal democratic paradise allow the owning of weapons and if so... what are the restrictions? (I have a complex convoluted plan if the answer is what I hope it is).
The weapons would not be legal (but that's because I'm anti-gun and so when I create a "paradise" even a democratic one, that's what I default to)
For me, if guns are allowed, you eventually get to the USA's situation whether sooner or later
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by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:22 am
The Chuck wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
The weapons would not be legal (but that's because I'm anti-gun and so when I create a "paradise" even a democratic one, that's what I default to)
For me, if guns are allowed, you eventually get to the USA's situation whether sooner or later
Damn, well in that case, I'd balance my purchases from the authoritarians and local people.
by Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:24 am
Ifreann wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
you can try to campaign for change but then what is your argument for it?
Is that at all relevant to this thread?Oh we need to install communism?
That is, more or less, what I said.why would people believe it can work (they don't in this world)?
We'll convince them with facts, logic, and lesbian dance theory.Why do you think it will be any more popular than in real life?
I didn't say anything about how popular I think it would be. That's not important.
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