Double the Freedom, Double the Price

[Auze]

This, but minus the fully automated, luxury, gay, and communism parts.
I just want to go visit space.

By removing the gay luxury you are removing some of the best parts though.

Those can wait, space is the only alternative. If you really want we can put all the gay luxury crap on Triton or Makemake, where nobody will notice or care about it.

[Ethel mermania]

By removing the gay luxury you are removing some of the best parts though.

Those can wait, space is the only alternative. If you really want we can put all the gay luxury crap on Triton or Makemake, where nobody will notice or care about it.

And I am not crazy about space, I will keep my feet on the ground thank you very much.

Dont be so quick to down gay luxury. Afterall gay luxury brought us the best and gayest of meals, Brunch.

[The New California Republic]

I like how this thread has soared off quite literally into the heavens, leaving IM's scenario far behind, and is deciding on what planet the gay luxuries should be placed on.

But seriously...

[Frisbeeteria]

We buy from our own people because the All-Mother provides all without any cost to us.

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[Free Arabian Nation]

wtf kind of cursed thread has this turned into?

[Infected Mushroom]

It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government

as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail

[Infected Mushroom]

Many are quick to condemn a foreign regime but if they give us cheap products, we'll support them economically

this has been decisively demonstrated

[The Free Joy State]

It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government

as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail

I'm not sure what you're reading that you think proves your point?

Six people would always buy what is cheapest (13%)
Six people would mostly buy what is cheapest but occassionally buy locally (13%)
Eleven people would mostly buy locally but buy more expensive items globally (24%)
23 people would always buy locally (50%).

Many are quick to condemn a foreign regime but if they give us cheap products, we'll support them economically

this has been decisively demonstrated

It's an NS poll.

It demonstrates nothing decisively.

[Infected Mushroom]

It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government

as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail

I'm not sure what you're reading that you think proves your point?

Six people would always buy what is cheapest (13%)
Six people would mostly buy what is cheapest but occassionally buy locally (13%)
Eleven people would mostly buy locally but buy more expensive items globally (24%)
23 people would always buy locally (50%).

... hmmmmm ....

yeah its that time of the night

Okay, I'll see you all tomorrow after teaching my 5 back to back classes

I hope to find this thread in good stead, if not, perhaps a new topic need be started

[Ifreann]

It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government

Your poll doesn't cover the option I would choose. It's very limited and there's no point in trying to draw conclusions from it.

as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail

As expected, you are making a moral judgement here, the judgement that you obviously wanted to make from the start. You want to condemn people who denounce the Chinese government and yet buy Chinese goods, but you give no consideration to the practical realities of people's lives.

[The New California Republic]

as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail

As expected, you are making a moral judgement here, the judgement that you obviously wanted to make from the start. You want to condemn people who denounce the Chinese government and yet buy Chinese goods, but you give no consideration to the practical realities of people's lives.

He is basically doing the exact same thing in the other China thread at the moment. I don't know why there is some PRC shilling going on at the moment...

[Infected Mushroom]

It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government

Your poll doesn't cover the option I would choose. It's very limited and there's no point in trying to draw conclusions from it.

as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail

As expected, you are making a moral judgement here, the judgement that you obviously wanted to make from the start. You want to condemn people who denounce the Chinese government and yet buy Chinese goods, but you give no consideration to the practical realities of people's lives.

Its not included because I'm not seeing it as a realistic option

The liberal democratic country was written to be a very functional system with a stable government. I'm not seeing how you're reading into the scenario that a communist revolution could be successful or have any more support than IRL.

if anything, this scenario takes place in a fairly idealised society. In no country IRL can you have SUCH easy economics textbook access to all products with identical sets in prices (100% vs 133%). This is a highly functional and idealised country; there's nothing in a casual reading of the scenario that reasonably suggests large numbers of people would be interested in trying to overthrow the government.

In fact, it was written so that the democratic aspect of it works better than IRL too. That is, the people's views ARE democratically represented. So if the people wanted to change things, they'd act through the government (voting in another party etc) as opposed to trying to start a revolution. There's no reason to work outside of the system.

[Ifreann]

As expected, you are making a moral judgement here, the judgement that you obviously wanted to make from the start. You want to condemn people who denounce the Chinese government and yet buy Chinese goods, but you give no consideration to the practical realities of people's lives.

He is basically doing the exact same thing in the other China thread at the moment. I don't know why there is some PRC shilling going on at the moment...

Well he loves authoritarian governments, and also hates the idea of putting morals or principles of any kind ahead of his own self-interest.

[The New California Republic]

He is basically doing the exact same thing in the other China thread at the moment. I don't know why there is some PRC shilling going on at the moment...

Well he loves authoritarian governments, and also hates the idea of putting morals or principles of any kind ahead of his own self-interest.

Silly me, I forgot.

[Free Arabian Nation]

It appears that 50% of those polled would buy from the foreign government

as I expected, the forces of economics would prevail

22 + 16 = 38 you dingus

That's still less than the 51% who say "Yeah, I will buy local"

Wait, nvm. I got the wrong numbers. Editing..

Yeah, it's only 31% as of the 14th of June, 8:10 PM

[The Chuck]

One question... does this liberal democratic paradise allow the owning of weapons and if so... what are the restrictions? (I have a complex convoluted plan if the answer is what I hope it is).

[Ifreann]

Your poll doesn't cover the option I would choose. It's very limited and there's no point in trying to draw conclusions from it.


As expected, you are making a moral judgement here, the judgement that you obviously wanted to make from the start. You want to condemn people who denounce the Chinese government and yet buy Chinese goods, but you give no consideration to the practical realities of people's lives.

Its not included because I'm not seeing it as a realistic option

The liberal democratic country was written to be a very functional system with a stable government. I'm not seeing how you're reading into the scenario that a communist revolution could be successful or have any more support than IRL.

Building the support for it is, obviously enough, one of the necessary steps.

if anything, this scenario takes place in a fairly idealised society. In no country IRL can you have SUCH easy economics textbook access to all products with identical sets in prices (100% vs 133%). This is a highly functional and idealised country; there's nothing in a casual reading of the scenario that reasonably suggests large numbers of people would be interested in trying to overthrow the government.

I suggested an overthrow of the economic system, not the government.

In fact, it was written so that the democratic aspect of it works better than IRL too. That is, the people's views ARE democratically represented.

Maybe that idea existed in your mind, but you did not actually write anything of the sort when I responded.

So if the people wanted to change things, they'd act through the government (voting in another party etc) as opposed to trying to start a revolution. There's no reason to work outside of the system.

If bringing about a new economic system requires only winning some elections, good.

[Infected Mushroom]

One question... does this liberal democratic paradise allow the owning of weapons and if so... what are the restrictions? (I have a complex convoluted plan if the answer is what I hope it is).

The weapons would not be legal (but that's because I'm anti-gun and so when I create a "paradise" even a democratic one, that's what I default to)

For me, if guns are allowed, you eventually get to the USA's situation whether sooner or later

[Free Arabian Nation]

Oh boy, I can hear the Gun Control threaders from a mile away

Quick, seal off the discussion before it's too late!

[Infected Mushroom]

Its not included because I'm not seeing it as a realistic option

The liberal democratic country was written to be a very functional system with a stable government. I'm not seeing how you're reading into the scenario that a communist revolution could be successful or have any more support than IRL.

Building the support for it is, obviously enough, one of the necessary steps.

if anything, this scenario takes place in a fairly idealised society. In no country IRL can you have SUCH easy economics textbook access to all products with identical sets in prices (100% vs 133%). This is a highly functional and idealised country; there's nothing in a casual reading of the scenario that reasonably suggests large numbers of people would be interested in trying to overthrow the government.

I suggested an overthrow of the economic system, not the government.

In fact, it was written so that the democratic aspect of it works better than IRL too. That is, the people's views ARE democratically represented.

Maybe that idea existed in your mind, but you did not actually write anything of the sort when I responded.

So if the people wanted to change things, they'd act through the government (voting in another party etc) as opposed to trying to start a revolution. There's no reason to work outside of the system.

If bringing about a new economic system requires only winning some elections, good.

you can try to campaign for change but then what is your argument for it?

Oh we need to install communism?

why would people believe it can work (they don't in this world)?

Why do you think it will be any more popular than in real life?

[The New California Republic]

For me, if guns are allowed, you eventually get to the USA's situation whether sooner or later

As an aside I got my gun licence renewed today, and my country isn't anything like the USA, so I really don't know how true your claim is...

[Ifreann]

Building the support for it is, obviously enough, one of the necessary steps.


I suggested an overthrow of the economic system, not the government.


Maybe that idea existed in your mind, but you did not actually write anything of the sort when I responded.

If bringing about a new economic system requires only winning some elections, good.

you can try to campaign for change but then what is your argument for it?

Is that at all relevant to this thread?

Oh we need to install communism?

That is, more or less, what I said.

why would people believe it can work (they don't in this world)?

We'll convince them with facts, logic, and lesbian dance theory.

Why do you think it will be any more popular than in real life?

I didn't say anything about how popular I think it would be. That's not important.

[The Chuck]

One question... does this liberal democratic paradise allow the owning of weapons and if so... what are the restrictions? (I have a complex convoluted plan if the answer is what I hope it is).

The weapons would not be legal (but that's because I'm anti-gun and so when I create a "paradise" even a democratic one, that's what I default to)

For me, if guns are allowed, you eventually get to the USA's situation whether sooner or later

Damn, well in that case, I'd balance my purchases from the authoritarians and local people.

[Infected Mushroom]

The weapons would not be legal (but that's because I'm anti-gun and so when I create a "paradise" even a democratic one, that's what I default to)

For me, if guns are allowed, you eventually get to the USA's situation whether sooner or later

Damn, well in that case, I'd balance my purchases from the authoritarians and local people.

I mean, why does it matter?

[Infected Mushroom]

you can try to campaign for change but then what is your argument for it?

Is that at all relevant to this thread?

Oh we need to install communism?

That is, more or less, what I said.

why would people believe it can work (they don't in this world)?

We'll convince them with facts, logic, and lesbian dance theory.

Why do you think it will be any more popular than in real life?

I didn't say anything about how popular I think it would be. That's not important.

I was explaining why I only included options with respect to consumerism (because that's what the hypothetical was trying to get at)

I feel that whether or not you want to enact political change or not is a separate matter (because in the MEANTIME, you do have to buy things from day to day... how would you go about doing that under the premise?)