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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:41 am

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:What are the chances of a China take over cutting off my League of Legends games?

The fact that that’s what you’re worried about says a lot about you.


This may cause me to change my support

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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:48 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:The fact that that’s what you’re worried about says a lot about you.


This may cause me to change my support


We all have our priorities don't we?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:56 am

Nakena wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
This may cause me to change my support


We all have our priorities don't we?


If it turns out that there is strong evidence that China has anti-video-game-addiction policies and has blocked all of League games (without hacking) to a minimum of 2 hours and blocks certain servers from play...

then that may lead me re-evaluate where my interests align in this

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Postby Valentine Z » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:07 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Nakena wrote:
We all have our priorities don't we?


If it turns out that there is strong evidence that China has anti-video-game-addiction policies and has blocked all of League games (without hacking) to a minimum maximum? of 2 hours and blocks certain servers from play...

then that may lead me re-evaluate where my interests align in this


Do you mean maximum?

No offense, but... kind of a skewed priority thing here. I worried about people in Hong Kong hurt by violence riot police, or anything of that sort. I think League of Legends should be the least of one's worries.

It helps you with game addiction too, so it's a partial-win! I personally wouldn't want a government to get involved, but it helps lower addiction, at least. And plenty of other things to worry about if China does come in.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:10 am

Valentine Z wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
If it turns out that there is strong evidence that China has anti-video-game-addiction policies and has blocked all of League games (without hacking) to a minimum maximum? of 2 hours and blocks certain servers from play...

then that may lead me re-evaluate where my interests align in this


Do you mean maximum?

No offense, but... kind of a skewed priorities. I worried about people in Hong Kong hurt by violence riot police, or anything of that sort. I think League of Legends should be the least of one's worries.

It helps you with game addiction too, so it's a partial-win! I wouldn't personally want a government to get involved, but it helps lower addiction, at least.


Its completely unacceptable.

The average game lenght of one game (with 10 players) can range from 20 to 40+ minutes. A two hour cap would mean that you may not be allowed to finish a third game.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:38 am

New haven america wrote:
Nakena wrote:Supposedly the PRC is mobilizing something something:

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/PVJlboN

The PRC has put crack riot troops on notice and is massing them at the chinese mainland owned areas like train stations and garrison depots. They put out a statement saying Hong Kong can request PLA assistance if needed.

New York Times: China Hints It Could Send Troops to Quell Hong Kong Protests, if Requested

Ironic that they're still called the PLA considering they do the exact opposite of what the name says.

Yes, yes, I know, propaganda. Still find it amusing.


I mean Xi’s Oppression Army (XOA) does not have the same ring to it.
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Postby Sverigesriket » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:07 am

Novus America wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ironic that they're still called the PLA considering they do the exact opposite of what the name says.

Yes, yes, I know, propaganda. Still find it amusing.


I mean Xi’s Oppression Army (XOA) does not have the same ring to it.

The Glorious Army of Patriots isn't technically a lie, as I'm sure there are many Chinese very willing to fight for their nation.

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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:15 am

Novus America wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ironic that they're still called the PLA considering they do the exact opposite of what the name says.

Yes, yes, I know, propaganda. Still find it amusing.


I mean Xi’s Oppression Army (XOA) does not have the same ring to it.


This is actually quite accurate because the party does own the military. The people have no say in the military whatsoever, and the military is oppressing the people.

The PLA’s name is so ironic.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:28 am

Sverigesriket wrote:
Novus America wrote:
I mean Xi’s Oppression Army (XOA) does not have the same ring to it.

The Glorious Army of Patriots isn't technically a lie, as I'm sure there are many Chinese very willing to fight for their nation.


The XOA fights for the party and Xi, not the nation. It is actually completely under party control, the actual PRC Ministry of Defense has no power.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:30 am

It's not like the Chinese government speaks for the mainland Chinese citizens who didn't vote for them either.

We need to stand up to them more. A co-ordinated boycott by all the world's richest countries would go a long way to reining the Chinese government in.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:32 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:It's not like the Chinese government speaks for the mainland Chinese citizens who didn't vote for them either.

We need to stand up to them more. A co-ordinated boycott by all the world's richest countries would go a long way to reining the Chinese government in.


We absolutely do. But we will not because the sell out Tech Bros and outsourcing CEOs are more loyal to PRC money than our people. Or any people.

But we should switch recognition back to the ROC, sanction the heck out of the PRC.
We will not sadly but this is what we should do.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
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Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby New Bremerton » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:57 am

First, the Triads and now a possible military invasion. This is absolutely terrifying. I don't feel safe in HK anymore. It's the only place I can truly call home, even if I don't live there anymore. It's the one place that shaped my childhood experiences. I will never forget the local food, which is hands down the best in the world and can't be found anywhere else, the multicultural diversity, the relative political openness, the international schools I attended and the friends I made. Hong Kong is unrecognizable now. If China proceeds to end Hong Kong by military force, I would totally support Donald Trump's trade war and call for sanctions and a cold war to be waged against China. I would have nothing to lose by publicly condemning China on social media. Until or unless China is brought to its knees, freedom and democracy around the world will continue to be at risk.

Most of my fellow Malaysian Chinese have no fucking clue what the people of HK have had to endure and actually support China right or wrong. It really makes my blood boil that they can simply throw us under a bus just to get back at "those evil Muzzies". Malaysian racial and religious identity politics has made them this way, and it makes me ashamed to call myself Chinese in any way, shape or form. Oddly enough, I've been told that it's the English-educated Malaysian Chinese who are pro-China and not the Chinese-educated Malaysian Chinese. I would have expected them to be pro-USA and anti-China, as I've turned out to be.

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Postby EastKekistan » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:00 pm

Novus America wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:It's not like the Chinese government speaks for the mainland Chinese citizens who didn't vote for them either.

We need to stand up to them more. A co-ordinated boycott by all the world's richest countries would go a long way to reining the Chinese government in.


We absolutely do. But we will not because the sell out Tech Bros and outsourcing CEOs are more loyal to PRC money than our people. Or any people.

But we should switch recognition back to the ROC, sanction the heck out of the PRC.
We will not sadly but this is what we should do.


Really thanks! Yes, the PRC is completely illegitimate.
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Postby Nakena » Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:09 pm

Valentine Z wrote:I think League of Legends should be the least of one's worries.


It wont be one for much longer.

Who has the last LoL has always the best one.

And we all know who that be once they institute the shutdown.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:22 pm

A bunch of instructors have started offering free defence lessons..

Within days of the attack, free self defence classes were springing up across Hong Kong. Many feel terrified and are struggling to come to terms with the violent attack that was so untypical of their hometown.

“Things that have happened in the past month seem so surreal; I can hardly believe this is Hong Kong,” said Jessica Chu, a 45-year-old full-time mother at Chong’s class. “The attack has created fear in all of us. Our basic sense of security has been ruined.”


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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:34 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:
Do you mean maximum?

No offense, but... kind of a skewed priorities. I worried about people in Hong Kong hurt by violence riot police, or anything of that sort. I think League of Legends should be the least of one's worries.

It helps you with game addiction too, so it's a partial-win! I wouldn't personally want a government to get involved, but it helps lower addiction, at least.


Its completely unacceptable.

The average game lenght of one game (with 10 players) can range from 20 to 40+ minutes. A two hour cap would mean that you may not be allowed to finish a third game.

“Fuck everyone else, I wanna game!”
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:35 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Nakena wrote:
We all have our priorities don't we?


If it turns out that there is strong evidence that China has anti-video-game-addiction policies and has blocked all of League games (without hacking) to a minimum of 2 hours and blocks certain servers from play...

then that may lead me re-evaluate where my interests align in this


Dude, aren't you fucking selfish?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:43 pm

Duhon wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
If it turns out that there is strong evidence that China has anti-video-game-addiction policies and has blocked all of League games (without hacking) to a minimum of 2 hours and blocks certain servers from play...

then that may lead me re-evaluate where my interests align in this


Dude, aren't you fucking selfish?


There are many many gamers, I look out for their interests as well as mine

this is one of the hot button issues for me with regards to Hong Kong's future status

if the PRC comes here and decides to implement PRC internet policy, then I'm not going to be happy

I want to play real League and real video games, not some regulated Chinese version (or God forbid, their knock offs)

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:53 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Dude, aren't you fucking selfish?


There are many many gamers, I look out for their interests as well as mine

this is one of the hot button issues for me with regards to Hong Kong's future status

if the PRC comes here and decides to implement PRC internet policy, then I'm not going to be happy

I want to play real League and real video games, not some regulated Chinese version (or God forbid, their knock offs)

The difference between you and me is that I don’t pretend to have morals.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:11 pm

Kowani wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
There are many many gamers, I look out for their interests as well as mine

this is one of the hot button issues for me with regards to Hong Kong's future status

if the PRC comes here and decides to implement PRC internet policy, then I'm not going to be happy

I want to play real League and real video games, not some regulated Chinese version (or God forbid, their knock offs)

The difference between you and me is that I don’t pretend to have morals.


internet usage, gaming, and entertainment (freedom of access to) is a big deal for me

are there any sources that suggest China would do away with HK's internet policy?

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:14 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:The difference between you and me is that I don’t pretend to have morals.


internet usage, gaming, and entertainment (freedom of access to) is a big deal for me

are there any sources that suggest China would do away with HK's internet policy?


You will have to download and play this to earn enough social credits to play an extra 20 minutes of League of Legends.

China’s most popular app is a propaganda tool teaching Xi Jinping Thought
The Xuexi Qiangguo app is now the most downloaded item on Apple’s App Store in China
Released by China’s Communist Party, the app is helping cadres learn more about its political doctrine


Link

Caught littering through face recognition, jaywalked.. a little more overweight that you should be? You'll need to study very hard to get those credits.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:36 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
internet usage, gaming, and entertainment (freedom of access to) is a big deal for me

are there any sources that suggest China would do away with HK's internet policy?


You will have to download and play this to earn enough social credits to play an extra 20 minutes of League of Legends.

China’s most popular app is a propaganda tool teaching Xi Jinping Thought
The Xuexi Qiangguo app is now the most downloaded item on Apple’s App Store in China
Released by China’s Communist Party, the app is helping cadres learn more about its political doctrine


Link

Caught littering through face recognition, jaywalked.. a little more overweight that you should be? You'll need to study very hard to get those credits.

And I doubt using Nationstates would boost ones Social Credits.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:39 pm

Heloin wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
You will have to download and play this to earn enough social credits to play an extra 20 minutes of League of Legends.

China’s most popular app is a propaganda tool teaching Xi Jinping Thought
The Xuexi Qiangguo app is now the most downloaded item on Apple’s App Store in China
Released by China’s Communist Party, the app is helping cadres learn more about its political doctrine


Link

Caught littering through face recognition, jaywalked.. a little more overweight that you should be? You'll need to study very hard to get those credits.

And I doubt using Nationstates would boost ones Social Credits.

An inverse boost, perhaps.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:42 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Dude, aren't you fucking selfish?


There are many many gamers, I look out for their interests as well as mine

this is one of the hot button issues for me with regards to Hong Kong's future status

if the PRC comes here and decides to implement PRC internet policy, then I'm not going to be happy

I want to play real League and real video games, not some regulated Chinese version (or God forbid, their knock offs)


How about real fucking life? You got parents, right? Relatives? You work at a school, if I recall correctly. You can't be happy be them, think that seeing them happy, healthy, and wise would make you happy too?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:55 pm

Heloin wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
You will have to download and play this to earn enough social credits to play an extra 20 minutes of League of Legends.

China’s most popular app is a propaganda tool teaching Xi Jinping Thought
The Xuexi Qiangguo app is now the most downloaded item on Apple’s App Store in China
Released by China’s Communist Party, the app is helping cadres learn more about its political doctrine


Link

Caught littering through face recognition, jaywalked.. a little more overweight that you should be? You'll need to study very hard to get those credits.

And I doubt using Nationstates would boost ones Social Credits.


that's going to be a problem too... I'm starting to feel differently about this issue

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