MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Kowani]

Oh, this is good. You see, the Quid Pro Quo argument is entirely irrelevant. Trump asked Ukraine for information on Joe Biden. He admitted to this. The Emoluments Clause of the constitution reads thus: “No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”
The key word-Emolument, which means a thing of value.
The only issue is if someone tried to claim that information on Biden wouldn’t be valuable.

What did President Trump gain in return nothing.

We punish attempted murder, no?

[Greater Miami Shores]

What did President Trump gain in return nothing.

We punish attempted murder, no?

President Trump has not murdered any one. What did President Trump gain in return nothing, their was no deal made, the aid was sent, the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky has stated on national TV and videos he felt to pressures from President Trump.

[Kowani]

We punish attempted murder, no?

President Trump has not murdered any one. What did President Trump gain in return nothing, their was no deal made, the aid was sent, the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky has stated on national TV he felt to pressures from President Trump.

It’s an analogy.
Alright. Trump attempted to gain information from Ukraine. We agree on this. Now, as per the constitution, whether or not he pressured Ukraine is irrelevant. That he failed at committing a crime is not a defense that holds up in any court.

[Greater Miami Shores]

President Trump has not murdered any one. What did President Trump gain in return nothing, their was no deal made, the aid was sent, the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky has stated on national TV he felt to pressures from President Trump.

It’s an analogy.
Alright. Trump attempted to gain information from Ukraine. We agree on this. Now, as per the constitution, whether or not he pressured Ukraine is irrelevant. That he failed at committing a crime is not a defense that holds up in any court.

As help in corruption cases, So I guess you have your smoking gun then lol, good luck it ain't going to happen, Donnie did not get anything, I rest my case for now.

[Telconi]

President Trump has not murdered any one. What did President Trump gain in return nothing, their was no deal made, the aid was sent, the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky has stated on national TV he felt to pressures from President Trump.

It’s an analogy.
Alright. Trump attempted to gain information from Ukraine. We agree on this. Now, as per the constitution, whether or not he pressured Ukraine is irrelevant. That he failed at committing a crime is not a defense that holds up in any court.

Pretty sure "I didn't do it" is a defense that works in courts.

[Kowani]

It’s an analogy.
Alright. Trump attempted to gain information from Ukraine. We agree on this. Now, as per the constitution, whether or not he pressured Ukraine is irrelevant. That he failed at committing a crime is not a defense that holds up in any court.

Pretty sure "I didn't do it" is a defense that works in courts.

Not if the defense is “I tried to do it and failed.”

[Telconi]

Pretty sure "I didn't do it" is a defense that works in courts.

Not if the defense is “I tried to do it and failed.”

Yeah, that still works. Trying to commit a crime isn't a crime.

[Greater Miami Shores]

It’s an analogy.
Alright. Trump attempted to gain information from Ukraine. We agree on this. Now, as per the constitution, whether or not he pressured Ukraine is irrelevant. That he failed at committing a crime is not a defense that holds up in any court.

Pretty sure "I didn't do it" is a defense that works in courts.

lol Rick Scott pleaded the 5th amendment to the US constitution 75 times lol and he has been a great Republican Governor of Florida and now is a great Republican US Senator and might one day be a great Republican American President like Donald J Trump lol.

If Rick Scott did it Donnie can do it too lol.

President Clinton, I did not sleep with that women.

[Kowani]

Not if the defense is “I tried to do it and failed.”

Yeah, that still works. Trying to commit a crime isn't a crime.

Attempted murder is a crime in a metric fuckton of jurisdictions.

[Telconi]

Yeah, that still works. Trying to commit a crime isn't a crime.

Attempted murder is a crime in a metric fuckton of jurisdictions.

Uh huh, and what of it?

[Necroghastia]

Open borders would end illegal immigration for good, you know.

I know that is why I am against it lol. As I said asylum is being abused all over the world as an excuse for open borders illegal immigration lol.

Anti abortions abortion is preventing the birth of a baby too be.

No see, that's the thing. There would be no more illegal immigrants. Sure, a wall might stop some, but if you want to solve the issue 100%, well...

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Normally I would take the idea that a US President wanted to build a moat full of snakes as a hoax. With Trump he actually seems dumb enough to suggest that kind of thing seriously.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49901878

[Maineiacs]

It is irrelevant that a quid pro quo did not actually happen; merely to solicit one is illegal. It does not matter that Ukraine said no. Why are some here having trouble grasping that?

[Vassenor]

It is irrelevant that a quid pro quo did not actually happen; merely to solicit one is illegal. It does not matter that Ukraine said no. Why are some here having trouble grasping that?

Because people are convinced that unless you say a thing explicitly it cannot be held against you.

[Gravlen]

Not if the defense is “I tried to do it and failed.”

Yeah, that still works. Trying to commit a crime isn't a crime.

Ah yes, nobody was ever criminally prosecuted for attempting to commit a crime.

[North German Realm]

Yeah, that still works. Trying to commit a crime isn't a crime.

Ah yes, nobody was ever criminally prosecuted for attempting to commit a crime.

Well I mean they would be persecuted for another crime (attempting to commit a crime is a different crime than committing it and all that)

[Gravlen]

Ah yes, nobody was ever criminally prosecuted for attempting to commit a crime.

Well I mean they would be persecuted for another crime (attempting to commit a crime is a different crime than committing it and all that)

Yeah... Which doesn't mean the statement that "trying to commit a crime isn't a crime" is any less inane.

[North German Realm]

Well I mean they would be persecuted for another crime (attempting to commit a crime is a different crime than committing it and all that)

Yeah... Which doesn't mean the statement that "trying to commit a crime isn't a crime" is any less inane.

I mean, yeah. "Trying to commit a crime isn't a crime" is a ridiculous statement.

[Shrillland]

Yeah... Which doesn't mean the statement that "trying to commit a crime isn't a crime" is any less inane.

I mean, yeah. "Trying to commit a crime isn't a crime" is a ridiculous statement.

Actually, there is such a thing as failed intent, which can get people off in some cases.

[Bombadil]

If you offer a bribe to the FBI for example you've committed a crime regardless of whether the official accepted it, and yes I'm basing that on The Wolf of Wall Street.

[New Sukberia]

Attempted murder is a crime in a metric fuckton of jurisdictions.

Uh huh, and what of it?

So it's a crime.

[Duhon]

and that's why i think he'll nuke anything if pushed enough

And as with shooting people, he'll be told no.

he'll simply find people who'll agree with him
as he has always done and as he eventually did with nielsen
only stephen miller is irreplaceable at this point

[Telconi]

Uh huh, and what of it?

So it's a crime.

So people are only prosecuted for crimes they succeed at committing.

[Ifreann]

And as with shooting people, he'll be told no.

he'll simply find people who'll agree with him
as he has always done and as he eventually did with nielsen
only stephen miller is irreplaceable at this point

And that's why migrants are being shot at the border. Trump fired the people who told him no and brought in new people who'd let him shoot migrants.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I know this was talked about back when it was all the craze in blue states but a federal judge said states can't force candidates to disclose their tax information to be on the ballot.