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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:12 am
by Duhon
Asherahan wrote:At the very least germany should have been broken up to into smaller states and not allowed to be unified like Austria Hungary.


Germany got that treatment for almost 50 years.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:15 am
by Asherahan
Duhon wrote:
Asherahan wrote:At the very least germany should have been broken up to into smaller states and not allowed to be unified like Austria Hungary.


Germany got that treatment for almost 50 years.

Way smaller states and they should have lost land. And not allow them to reunify ever.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:19 am
by Duhon
Asherahan wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Germany got that treatment for almost 50 years.

Way smaller states and they should have lost land. And not allow them to reunify ever.


Way to make a Poland out of Germany, with just as much justification.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:22 am
by Asherahan
Duhon wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Way smaller states and they should have lost land. And not allow them to reunify ever.


Way to make a Poland out of Germany, with just as much justification.

There was less justification when we did it to austria hungary. And let me remind you they didn't murder millions.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:44 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Conserative Morality wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I do not see how that's relevant. (Although, personally I don't think anything should be a capital crime, but that's beside the point).

My point is that current law does not dictate justice; current law is simply the primary conduit for justice.

When I said that supporting genocide was not a capital crime, I assumed "nor should it be" went without saying.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:46 am
by Totally Not OEP
Torrocca wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Too much damn work for too little gain.


Took a minute, tops.

See how that post OEP quoted says nothing about shooting and killing Nazis? :3


You conveniently left out the post where I point blank asked you how else you expected to kill them, to which you completely side stepped. It's also incredibly funny that, for someone who always attempts to subscribe motives to my own posts, yours are somehow immune to that.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:48 am
by Totally Not OEP
Tbh after 1968 I have more sympathy for East Germany than West.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:52 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Totally Not OEP wrote:Tbh after 1968 I have more sympathy for East Germany than West.

What happened in 1968?

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:54 am
by Totally Not OEP
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:Tbh after 1968 I have more sympathy for East Germany than West.

What happened in 1968?


The '68 Movement.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:55 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What happened in 1968?


The '68 Movement.

What was wrong with the 68 movement that wasn't wrong with the GDR?

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:56 am
by Totally Not OEP
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The '68 Movement.

What was wrong with the 68 movement that wasn't wrong with the GDR?


Review the societies in question.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:57 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What was wrong with the 68 movement that wasn't wrong with the GDR?


Review the societies in question.

That's not really an answer.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:02 am
by Totally Not OEP
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Review the societies in question.

That's not really an answer.


It is when you do as I said.

The 1968 Movement encapsulated the transformation of West Germany into a Bohemian society, as a generation of bourgeois youth far too spoiled for their own good came into power. East Germany avoided this and, for all the criticisms I as a Far Rightist could place upon them, remained fairly Nationalistic, militaristic and resistant to the social values the 1968 Revolution represented. When you delve into the writings of the East Bloc, you see they largely did maintain, at least in part, the traditionalist outlook of Slavic society with regards to social matters.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:11 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That's not really an answer.


It is when you do as I said.

The 1968 Movement encapsulated the transformation of West Germany into a Bohemian society, as a generation of bourgeois youth far too spoiled for their own good came into power. East Germany avoided this and, for all the criticisms I as a Far Rightist could place upon them, remained fairly Nationalistic, militaristic and resistant to the social values the 1968 Revolution represented. When you delve into the writings of the East Bloc, you see they largely did maintain, at least in part, the traditionalist outlook of Slavic society with regards to social matters.

I view militarism and a traditionalist slavic outlook as negatives rather than positives to be honest.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:13 am
by Totally Not OEP
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
It is when you do as I said.

The 1968 Movement encapsulated the transformation of West Germany into a Bohemian society, as a generation of bourgeois youth far too spoiled for their own good came into power. East Germany avoided this and, for all the criticisms I as a Far Rightist could place upon them, remained fairly Nationalistic, militaristic and resistant to the social values the 1968 Revolution represented. When you delve into the writings of the East Bloc, you see they largely did maintain, at least in part, the traditionalist outlook of Slavic society with regards to social matters.

I view militarism and a traditionalist slavic outlook as negatives rather than positives to be honest.


Of course, but you did ask for my view of it right?

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:17 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I view militarism and a traditionalist slavic outlook as negatives rather than positives to be honest.


Of course, but you did ask for my view of it right?

That I did, fair point.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:17 am
by Painisia
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:That's not really an answer.


It is when you do as I said.

The 1968 Movement encapsulated the transformation of West Germany into a Bohemian society, as a generation of bourgeois youth far too spoiled for their own good came into power. East Germany avoided this and, for all the criticisms I as a Far Rightist could place upon them, remained fairly Nationalistic, militaristic and resistant to the social values the 1968 Revolution represented. When you delve into the writings of the East Bloc, you see they largely did maintain, at least in part, the traditionalist outlook of Slavic society with regards to social matters.


Well, your waifu GDR became Germany`s poor fever region after the reunification in 1990. But you would find it satisfying that it is in the former lands of the GDR that the Far-Right is experiencing a surge. Alternative für Deutschland is experiencing growth there

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:21 am
by Totally Not OEP
Painisia wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
It is when you do as I said.

The 1968 Movement encapsulated the transformation of West Germany into a Bohemian society, as a generation of bourgeois youth far too spoiled for their own good came into power. East Germany avoided this and, for all the criticisms I as a Far Rightist could place upon them, remained fairly Nationalistic, militaristic and resistant to the social values the 1968 Revolution represented. When you delve into the writings of the East Bloc, you see they largely did maintain, at least in part, the traditionalist outlook of Slavic society with regards to social matters.


Well, your waifu GDR became Germany`s poor fever region after the reunification in 1990. But you would find it satisfying that it is in the former lands of the GDR that the Far-Right is experiencing a surge. Alternative für Deutschland is experiencing growth there


GDR was indeed poor by the end of it, that's what happens when you do Communism kids. My point was more in terms of the social aspect.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:41 am
by North German Realm
Asherahan wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Didn't West Germany go easy on former Nazi party members and administrators? If so, seems to have worked out fine.

Turns out Commie propaganda is just that, propaganda. Germany didn't have to initiate Stalinist repression to shut down Nazism.

*AfD exists and Right Wing Germans are still a bunch of pricks trampling over the sovereignty of other countries*

Sure it worked fine.

I mean, if you take a look at the map, the AfD got most of its votes from the East, on both chambers too. One could almost say West Germany did better in expunging right-wing radicalism in its legislative form than the Easterners.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:32 am
by Novus America
Asherahan wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Didn't West Germany go easy on former Nazi party members and administrators? If so, seems to have worked out fine.

Turns out Commie propaganda is just that, propaganda. Germany didn't have to initiate Stalinist repression to shut down Nazism.

*AfD exists and Right Wing Germans are still a bunch of pricks trampling over the sovereignty of other countries*

Sure it worked fine.


AFD is has some neo-Nazi members and supporters, but is not a Nazi party. Plus very few of its members were actually involved in the Nazi regime, as most people who were are dead by now.

And their stronghold is EAST Germany...

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:33 am
by Novus America
North German Realm wrote:
Asherahan wrote:*AfD exists and Right Wing Germans are still a bunch of pricks trampling over the sovereignty of other countries*

Sure it worked fine.

I mean, if you take a look at the map, the AfD got most of its votes from the East, on both chambers too. One could almost say West Germany did better in expunging right-wing radicalism in its legislative form than the Easterners.


Yes, the bigger failure in that regard was the Soviet puppet government.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:40 am
by Novus America
Asherahan wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Way to make a Poland out of Germany, with just as much justification.

There was less justification when we did it to austria hungary. And let me remind you they didn't murder millions.


The way we handled the end of WWI was completely wrong.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:09 am
by Hakons
Novus America wrote:
Asherahan wrote:*AfD exists and Right Wing Germans are still a bunch of pricks trampling over the sovereignty of other countries*

Sure it worked fine.


AFD is has some neo-Nazi members and supporters, but is not a Nazi party. Plus very few of its members were actually involved in the Nazi regime, as most people who were are dead by now.

And their stronghold is EAST Germany...


For all the talk about AfD, the CDU/CSU is still the plurality party in nearly every region of Germany, and that's after decades of being in power. As much as right wingers have a low opinion of Merkel and the CDU because of their EU stance, they're a striking example of a long-lasting conservative government.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:16 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
Asherahan wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:The AfD is pretty small and not explicitly Nazi afaik. And what do you mean when you say "right-wing Germans?"

Truth be told I got a bias against right wing germans because I am a greek.

Well, Greece has its own problems.

PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:17 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Asherahan wrote:Truth be told I got a bias against right wing germans because I am a greek.

Arguing that the EU would be less hawkish if Nazi party members were repressed harshly is a big stretch.

This ^^ The EU is not influenced by Nazism.