Right-Wing Discussion Thread XVI: Making Things Right Again

[Great Kauthar]

It is. To fill the void left by them rejecting God, they turn to hedonism.

No it isnt, says me an atheist, who actually knows what the fuck it is.

A lack of belief in a god like being, not super hot hedonistic orgy time cuz fuck god.

Also "void left by rejecting god" ive never felt better or more whole in my life than when i left the false charade of belief i had when i was a teenager.

Yes hedonists always like to say they feel good. Key word being FEEL because in reality they're not doing good at all.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Not particularly, Christianity and it's morality is moribund in public discourse in the West. People only invoke it for brownie points with so called "conservatives" who themselves aren't even practicing Christians.

"The West" is a rather vague and pointless term of reference, but there are certainly parts of the United States and Europe where the Christian religion still holds significant sway. The US' "Bible Belt," for example, or Northern Ireland here in the United Kingdom. Undoubtedly, even in areas where most people still profess Christianity and regularly attend church, many live their lives in ways not wholly in accord with what they publicly preach; but when has it ever been otherwise? That's not a unique problem of the decadent west, either; I have friends who've related stories of watching well-placed Muslim men in the supposedly puritanical Middle East drink bottles of French wine without much fuss.

Tbh even the Bible Belt is an awful example. They're happy to support a complete piece of trash like Trump enthusiastically solely because he's a Republican, and he couldn't even name a single thing from the Bible he liked lol.

Europe is a little bit better on that front, not much, but there's some areas where the religion still has decent sway.

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

"The West" is a rather vague and pointless term of reference, but there are certainly parts of the United States and Europe where the Christian religion still holds significant sway. The US' "Bible Belt," for example, or Northern Ireland here in the United Kingdom. Undoubtedly, even in areas where most people still profess Christianity and regularly attend church, many live their lives in ways not wholly in accord with what they publicly preach; but when has it ever been otherwise? That's not a unique problem of the decadent west, either; I have friends who've related stories of watching well-placed Muslim men in the supposedly puritanical Middle East drink bottles of French wine without much fuss.

Tbh even the Bible Belt is an awful example. They're happy to support a complete piece of trash like Trump enthusiastically solely because he's a Republican, and he couldn't even name a single thing from the Bible he liked lol.

Europe is a little bit better on that front, not much, but there's some areas where the religion still has decent sway.

You should have a look at the revival of traditional Latin masses among young people. https://www.catholicregister.org/ysn/ys ... -practices

Its a small movement but its a spark that will turn into a flame.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

No it isnt, says me an atheist, who actually knows what the fuck it is.

A lack of belief in a god like being, not super hot hedonistic orgy time cuz fuck god.

Also "void left by rejecting god" ive never felt better or more whole in my life than when i left the false charade of belief i had when i was a teenager.

Yes hedonists always like to say they feel good. Key word being FEEL because in reality they're not doing good at all.

If I may, hedonism is ethically flawed, but some schools of hedonist thought are less ethically flawed than others. Hence why one should specify what school of hedonism one refers to.

[The Huskar Social Union]

No it isnt, says me an atheist, who actually knows what the fuck it is.

A lack of belief in a god like being, not super hot hedonistic orgy time cuz fuck god.

Also "void left by rejecting god" ive never felt better or more whole in my life than when i left the false charade of belief i had when i was a teenager.

Yes hedonists always like to say they feel good. Key word being FEEL because in reality they're not doing good at all.

Im not a hedonist, nor are the vast majority of atheists hedonists either for that matter, some are but most arnt, in fact plenty of religious people are hedonists because religious people tend to be absolute hypocrites who dont follow their religion to the letter, because to do so is to lead a very repressed and un-enjoyable life. how about you act like an adult and stop labelling everyone who rejects your sky daddy as immoral and hedonistic.

Im doing perfectly fucking fine without god, and any problems i do have in my life are not because i dont waste my fucking time on him, grow up and act your age.

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

Yes hedonists always like to say they feel good. Key word being FEEL because in reality they're not doing good at all.

Im not a hedonist, nor are the vast majority of atheists hedonists either for that matter, some are but most arnt, in fact plenty of religious people are hedonists because religious people tend to be absolute hypocrites who dont follow their religion to the letter, because to do so is to lead a very repressed and un-enjoyable life. how about you act like an adult and stop labelling everyone who rejects your sky daddy as immoral and hedonistic.

Im doing perfectly fucking fine without god, and any problems i do have in my life are not because i dont waste my fucking time on him, grow up and act your age.

I can tell you are losing this discussion because you've pulled the sky daddy card as if none of us haven't heard it 5000 times. What's next "god not real bad thing happen"?

Atheism always usually turns into this quasi teenage angst rebellion against their parent (God).

[Great Kauthar]

Yes hedonists always like to say they feel good. Key word being FEEL because in reality they're not doing good at all.

Im not a hedonist, nor are the vast majority of atheists hedonists either for that matter, some are but most arnt, in fact plenty of religious people are hedonists because religious people tend to be absolute hypocrites who dont follow their religion to the letter, because to do so is to lead a very repressed and un-enjoyable life. how about you act like an adult and stop labelling everyone who rejects your sky daddy as immoral and hedonistic.

Im doing perfectly fucking fine without god, and any problems i do have in my life are not because i dont waste my fucking time on him, grow up and act your age.

man told me to grow up when he said "sky daddy" as if its the GOTCHA that destroys all theology wew aren't you smart

[Domina Nostra Nova Terra]

Im not a hedonist, nor are the vast majority of atheists hedonists either for that matter, some are but most arnt, in fact plenty of religious people are hedonists because religious people tend to be absolute hypocrites who dont follow their religion to the letter, because to do so is to lead a very repressed and un-enjoyable life. how about you act like an adult and stop labelling everyone who rejects your sky daddy as immoral and hedonistic.

Im doing perfectly fucking fine without god, and any problems i do have in my life are not because i dont waste my fucking time on him, grow up and act your age.

man told me to grow up when he said "sky daddy" as if its the GOTCHA that destroys all theology wew aren't you smart

Who would win? 2000 years of theology or some guy who watches low church prots getting owned online saying "sky daddy" for the 200th time this week?

[Kowani]

No it isnt, says me an atheist, who actually knows what the fuck it is.

A lack of belief in a god like being, not super hot hedonistic orgy time cuz fuck god.

Also "void left by rejecting god" ive never felt better or more whole in my life than when i left the false charade of belief i had when i was a teenager.

Yes hedonists always like to say they feel good. Key word being FEEL because in reality they're not doing good at all.

Hello, actual hedonistic atheist here: You’re Wrong.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Im not a hedonist, nor are the vast majority of atheists hedonists either for that matter, some are but most arnt, in fact plenty of religious people are hedonists because religious people tend to be absolute hypocrites who dont follow their religion to the letter, because to do so is to lead a very repressed and un-enjoyable life. how about you act like an adult and stop labelling everyone who rejects your sky daddy as immoral and hedonistic.

Im doing perfectly fucking fine without god, and any problems i do have in my life are not because i dont waste my fucking time on him, grow up and act your age.

man told me to grow up when he said "sky daddy" as if its the GOTCHA that destroys all theology wew aren't you smart

Coming from the guy slandering millions of people for being immoral and hedonistic and not living fulfilled lives because they dont worship your god. Yeah you really do need to grow up

[Great Kauthar]

Yes hedonists always like to say they feel good. Key word being FEEL because in reality they're not doing good at all.

Hello, actual hedonistic atheist here: You’re Wrong.

How can you be a hedonist and a nihilist at the same time lol

[The Huskar Social Union]

Im not a hedonist, nor are the vast majority of atheists hedonists either for that matter, some are but most arnt, in fact plenty of religious people are hedonists because religious people tend to be absolute hypocrites who dont follow their religion to the letter, because to do so is to lead a very repressed and un-enjoyable life. how about you act like an adult and stop labelling everyone who rejects your sky daddy as immoral and hedonistic.

Im doing perfectly fucking fine without god, and any problems i do have in my life are not because i dont waste my fucking time on him, grow up and act your age.

I can tell you are losing this discussion because you've pulled the sky daddy card as if none of us haven't heard it 5000 times. What's next "god not real bad thing happen"?

Atheism always usually turns into this quasi teenage angst rebellion against their parent (God).

Nah im sick and tired of dealing with the same shite peddled by hardcore religious types who think they know better.

[Old Tyrannia]

You know, defending the Christian religion in an increasingly secular society would probably be a fair bit easier if the Roman Catholic Church wasn't busy giving the Christian faith a bad name by protecting a massive international paedophile ring for decades.

[Salus Maior]

I see quality discussion has been maintained here.

[Hanafuridake]

Im not a hedonist, nor are the vast majority of atheists hedonists either for that matter, some are but most arnt, in fact plenty of religious people are hedonists because religious people tend to be absolute hypocrites who dont follow their religion to the letter, because to do so is to lead a very repressed and un-enjoyable life. how about you act like an adult and stop labelling everyone who rejects your sky daddy as immoral and hedonistic.

Im doing perfectly fucking fine without god, and any problems i do have in my life are not because i dont waste my fucking time on him, grow up and act your age.

I can tell you are losing this discussion because you've pulled the sky daddy card as if none of us haven't heard it 5000 times. What's next "god not real bad thing happen"?

Atheism always usually turns into this quasi teenage angst rebellion against their parent (God).

Huskar's use of hyperbole has absolutely no impact on whether or not he's right (which he is). The use of “sky daddy” is rather silly, but I would probably be annoyed too if someone kept telling me what I believed as though they knew better than what I did.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Yes hedonists always like to say they feel good. Key word being FEEL because in reality they're not doing good at all.

Hello, actual hedonistic atheist here: You’re Wrong.

If I may use you as an example to demonstrate what I mean, your personal philosophy is one similar to that of the Cyrenaics, and is egoist hedonism; but not all who subscribe to hedonistic thought are egoists. In fact most that I've noticed, both online and in RL, are vaguely utilitarian in character. Do y'all catch my drift?

Hello, actual hedonistic atheist here: You’re Wrong.

How can you be a hedonist and a nihilist at the same time lol

IIRC, he's a nihilist metaphysically and with regard to meta-ethical theory, but with regards to applied ethical practice adopts a position of egoist hedonism.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I can tell you are losing this discussion because you've pulled the sky daddy card as if none of us haven't heard it 5000 times. What's next "god not real bad thing happen"?

Atheism always usually turns into this quasi teenage angst rebellion against their parent (God).

Huskar's use of hyperbole has absolutely no impact on whether or not he's right (which he is). The use of “sky daddy” is rather silly, but I would probably be annoyed too if someone kept telling me what I believed as though they knew better than what I did.

Nailed it 100%

Its really fucking annoying to have some zealot wannabe try and lecture me, an atheist on what atheism is (i.e trying to sladner me and other as being the worst of fucking society because i dont have the same views as him) whenever religious people have called them out on the stupid shite they have been spewing over the last few pages.

But no i said a silly thing so clearly everything i said doesnt count anymore and i lost because ho ho ho im just a bitter angry little teen trying to get back at old pops

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I see quality discussion has been maintained here.

I'm trying to keep everything reasonably civil, and thus we must start by establishing a consistent set of terms and postulates from which to determine all of the other bits.

[Salus Maior]

You know, defending the Christian religion in an increasingly secular society would probably be a fair bit easier if the Roman Catholic Church wasn't busy giving the Christian faith a bad name by protecting a massive international paedophile ring for decades.

Catholicism isn't the only Christian sect that's done that (or organization in general), but yes I agree. In the Vatican you'll not find a more wretched gathering of scum and villainy.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

You know, defending the Christian religion in an increasingly secular society would probably be a fair bit easier if the Roman Catholic Church wasn't busy giving the Christian faith a bad name by protecting a massive international paedophile ring for decades.

Catholicism isn't the only Christian sect that's done that (or organization in general), but yes I agree. In the Vatican you'll not find a more wretched gathering of scum and villainy.

I disagree. NationStates General will suffice for the whole "scum and villainy" thing.

[Great Kauthar]

You know, defending the Christian religion in an increasingly secular society would probably be a fair bit easier if the Roman Catholic Church wasn't busy giving the Christian faith a bad name by protecting a massive international paedophile ring for decades.

I debate religion on doctrine, not the actions of its followers. Otherwise any discussion with Muslims would boil down to "terrorism exists, therefore islam bad"

I can tell you are losing this discussion because you've pulled the sky daddy card as if none of us haven't heard it 5000 times. What's next "god not real bad thing happen"?

Atheism always usually turns into this quasi teenage angst rebellion against their parent (God).

Nah im sick and tired of dealing with the same shite peddled by hardcore religious types who think they know better.

Oh yeah as if "hardcore religious types" aren't sick of atheists pretending they're experts on the Bible when all they know is contextless verses from facebook meme pages with names like RELIGION DEBUNKED CHRISTIANS ARE RETARDED

[Hanafuridake]

Oh yeah as if "hardcore religious types" aren't sick of atheists pretending they're experts on the Bible when all they know is contextless verses from facebook meme pages with names like RELIGION DEBUNKED CHRISTIANS ARE RETARDED

From what I remember about Huskar, he's from North Ireland, one of the most religious parts of Europe. You really just need to address what he actually says instead of projecting your experience with other atheists onto him.

[The Huskar Social Union]

You know, defending the Christian religion in an increasingly secular society would probably be a fair bit easier if the Roman Catholic Church wasn't busy giving the Christian faith a bad name by protecting a massive international paedophile ring for decades.

I debate religion on doctrine, not the actions of its followers. Otherwise any discussion with Muslims would boil down to "terrorism exists, therefore islam bad"

Nah im sick and tired of dealing with the same shite peddled by hardcore religious types who think they know better.

Oh yeah as if "hardcore religious types" aren't sick of atheists pretending they're experts on the Bible when all they know is contextless verses from facebook meme pages with names like RELIGION DEBUNKED CHRISTIANS ARE RETARDED

Well see if you stopped slandering us as hedonists and spouting absolute bollocks about what we believe maybe just maybe we would be a tad less hostile to the likes of you. And i know your religion well enough, i used to be part of it, and ive read large parts of the bible and the gospel.

Also im from Northern Ireland, Christianity has caused more than its own share of problems here, including denying people the right to marry and to donate fucking blood. And helping persecute my own fucking family because they happen to be of the wrong fucking sect of it.


Get of your fucking self appointed high horse.

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I debate religion on doctrine, not the actions of its followers. Otherwise any discussion with Muslims would boil down to "terrorism exists, therefore islam bad"


Oh yeah as if "hardcore religious types" aren't sick of atheists pretending they're experts on the Bible when all they know is contextless verses from facebook meme pages with names like RELIGION DEBUNKED CHRISTIANS ARE RETARDED

Well see if you stopped slandering us as hedonists and spouting absolute bollocks about what we believe maybe just maybe we would be a tad less hostile to the likes of you. And i know your religion well enough, i used to be part of it, and ive read large parts of the bible and the gospel.

Also im from Northern Ireland, Christianity has caused more than its own share of problems here, including denying people the right to marry and to donate fucking blood. And helping persecute my own fucking family because they happen to be of the wrong fucking sect of it.


Get of your fucking self appointed high horse.

Alternatively, you could trade in the horse for a hippogriff and fly even higher.

[Kowani]

Hello, actual hedonistic atheist here: You’re Wrong.

If I may use you as an example to demonstrate what I mean, your personal philosophy is one similar to that of the Cyrenaics, and is egoist hedonism; but not all who subscribe to hedonistic thought are egoists. In fact most that I've noticed, both online and in RL, are vaguely utilitarian in character. Do y'all catch my drift?

Most of us are not psychopaths, after all.

How can you be a hedonist and a nihilist at the same time lol

IIRC, he's a nihilist metaphysically and with regard to meta-ethical theory, but with regards to applied ethical practice adopts a position of egoist hedonism.

Bingo.

You know, defending the Christian religion in an increasingly secular society would probably be a fair bit easier if the Roman Catholic Church wasn't busy giving the Christian faith a bad name by protecting a massive international paedophile ring for decades.

I debate religion on doctrine, not the actions of its followers. Otherwise any discussion with Muslims would boil down to "terrorism exists, therefore islam bad"

Nah im sick and tired of dealing with the same shite peddled by hardcore religious types who think they know better.

Oh yeah as if "hardcore religious types" aren't sick of atheists pretending they're experts on the Bible when all they know is contextless verses from facebook meme pages with names like RELIGION DEBUNKED CHRISTIANS ARE RETARDED

Yes. Yes, that is all we do.