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Do you consider nationalism and patriotism synoymous?

Yes- I am a nationalist and a patriot
81
25%
No- I am a nationalist and a patriot
35
11%
No- I am a nationalist, not a patriot
33
10%
No- I am a patriot, not a nationalist
112
34%
Yes- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
15
5%
No- I am neither a nationalist nor a patriot
50
15%
 
Total votes : 326

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon May 20, 2019 2:54 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:We should hold an RWDT anime burning.


Right-wingers failing to secure the hearts and minds of the weeb is yet another reason why Communism will ultimately win :^)


You sure? My time on these forums has shown me merely saying their name is enough to bring them to hysterics.

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Postby Novus America » Mon May 20, 2019 3:06 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Embrace the Peoples War Torra. Anything less will lead to the fash winning.


I am the People's War. Fear me >:3


Well then we really know Communism is completely doomed. :lol:
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Mon May 20, 2019 3:10 pm

Novus America wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I am the People's War. Fear me >:3


Well then we really know Communism is completely doomed. :lol:


Well, if you think that's true, you better not look under your bed or in your closet tonight for any Red Spectres lingering around. >:3
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 20, 2019 3:25 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:This tbh. The Fash and the Nazis are gunning people down with increasing regularity and are fully committed to a total war mentality and want to tear down everything that currently exists. The other side is content to shout slogans and counter protest but that does nothing and they just keep getting more and more power.

I guess that's the scary thing about those ideologies, isn't it? You can't beat them with words, you have to, in a way, become them and use their own methods to put them down. Anything less will lead to it just continually coming back.

It's not their method, though. People might try to forget, whether out of weakness or cowardice, but liberalism did not begin with kindly protests and harshly worded letters. We did not birth a nation by simply objecting to the oppression of the British monarchy. The anciens regimes of Europe were not torn apart by slogans and protests. The revolutions of '48 did not have their day in the sun because they were scared of violence. The established liberal governments of the 19th and 20th centuries didn't survive by cowering and compromising with the scum that sought to overthrow them. The sooner the mainstream liberal left remembers this, the better.

Totalitarians are thieves and cowards. It's why they spread and engage in mindless political cacophony. Without anywhere to hide, without the ability to sob out excuses and claim persecution, without the restraint of liberal powers; they lose, and they know it.
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Postby Diopolis » Mon May 20, 2019 3:56 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Communism won't win because apart from some Maoist groups out there none of you are willing to fight anymore.


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They're simultaneously whining rotters and a violent threat to Western civilization.

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Postby Benuty » Mon May 20, 2019 4:06 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:This tbh. The Fash and the Nazis are gunning people down with increasing regularity and are fully committed to a total war mentality and want to tear down everything that currently exists. The other side is content to shout slogans and counter protest but that does nothing and they just keep getting more and more power.

I guess that's the scary thing about those ideologies, isn't it? You can't beat them with words, you have to, in a way, become them and use their own methods to put them down. Anything less will lead to it just continually coming back.

It's not their method, though. People might try to forget, whether out of weakness or cowardice, but liberalism did not begin with kindly protests and harshly worded letters. We did not birth a nation by simply objecting to the oppression of the British monarchy. The anciens regimes of Europe were not torn apart by slogans and protests. The revolutions of '48 did not have their day in the sun because they were scared of violence. The established liberal governments of the 19th and 20th centuries didn't survive by cowering and compromising with the scum that sought to overthrow them. The sooner the mainstream liberal left remembers this, the better.

Totalitarians are thieves and cowards. It's why they spread and engage in mindless political cacophony. Without anywhere to hide, without the ability to sob out excuses and claim persecution, without the restraint of liberal powers; they lose, and they know it.

Given what lead up to both world wars I would have to object to your claim they didn't cower, and compromise. The administrations of France, and Britain in the late interwar years were perfectly willing to sacrifice Czechoslovakia upon an alter simply to keep the "peace" at the time. Whether it is because they wanted to focus on an increasingly boxed in Japan or simply fight Germany at a later time is unknown.
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 20, 2019 4:06 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well then we really know Communism is completely doomed. :lol:


Well, if you think that's true, you better not look under your bed or in your closet tonight for any Red Spectres lingering around. >:3

Communism and people getting savaged in their beds historically went pretty well in history.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon May 20, 2019 4:08 pm

The administrations of France, Britain, and America lacked the balls to meaningfully intervene in the Civil War, losing Russia to communism.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 20, 2019 4:40 pm

Benuty wrote:Given what lead up to both world wars I would have to object to your claim they didn't cower, and compromise. The administrations of France, and Britain in the late interwar years were perfectly willing to sacrifice Czechoslovakia upon an alter simply to keep the "peace" at the time. Whether it is because they wanted to focus on an increasingly boxed in Japan or simply fight Germany at a later time is unknown.

How'd that work out for them? Cowering and compromising didn't save them. Growing a spine did.
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 20, 2019 5:23 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Benuty wrote:Given what lead up to both world wars I would have to object to your claim they didn't cower, and compromise. The administrations of France, and Britain in the late interwar years were perfectly willing to sacrifice Czechoslovakia upon an alter simply to keep the "peace" at the time. Whether it is because they wanted to focus on an increasingly boxed in Japan or simply fight Germany at a later time is unknown.

How'd that work out for them? Cowering and compromising didn't save them. Growing a spine did.

They hardly saved anything especially the moment they began to turn their own conflicts over to us following the end of the war. We had no business fighting in the rice paddies of Vietnam, but the French sly as always fiddled us like the syphilitic ridden gentlemen they were depicted as during the XYZ affair. The British, and French had spines but refused to use it, and when they did it was too little too late.
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Anarchy

Postby Bear Stearns » Mon May 20, 2019 8:23 pm

To answer the poll:

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Rostavykhan
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Rostavykhan » Mon May 20, 2019 10:04 pm

TBH either way the Allies messed up.

The only reasonable treatment after WWI would be to split Europe. Everything west of Berlin to France, everything east to Russia.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Mon May 20, 2019 10:06 pm

Baltimore Evening Sun, Nov. 11, 1931, "A Bad Guess," H. L. Mencken
Most of England's appalling troubles today are due to a bad guess: she went into the war on the wrong side in 1914. The theory of her statesmen, in those days, was that, by joining France and Russia, she would give a death-blow to a dangerous rival, Germany, and so be free to run the world. But the scheme failed to work; moreover, it had unexpected and almost fatal results. Not only did Germany come out of the mess a dangerous rival still; France also became a rival, and a very formidable one. Worse, the United States was pumped up to immense proportions, and began to challenge England's control of the world's markets. The results are now visible: England has three competitors instead of one, and is steadily going downhill. If she had gone into the war on the German side she'd be in a much better situation today. The Germans would be grateful for the help and willing to pay for it (while the French are not); the French would be down and out, and hence unable to menace the peace of Europe; Germany would have Russia in Europe and there would be no Bolshevik [communist] nuisance; England would have all of Siberia and Central Asia, and there would be no Japanese threat and no Indian revolt; and the United States would still be a docile British colony, as it was in 1914. . . .

The United States made a similar mistake in 1917. Our real interests at the time were on the side of the Germans, whose general attitude of mind is far more American than that of any other people. If we had gone in on their side, England would be moribund today, and the dreadful job of pulling her down, which will now take us forty or filthy years, would be over. We'd have a free hand in the Pacific, and Germany would be running the whole [European] Continent like a house of correction. In return for our connivance there she'd be glad to give us whatever we wanted elsewhere. There would be no Bolshevism [communism] in Russia and no Fascism in Italy. Our debtors would all be able to pay us. The Japs would be docile, and we'd be reorganizing Canada and probably also Australia. But we succumbed to a college professor [Wilson] who read Matthew Arnold, just as the English succumbed to a gay old dog who couldn't bear to think of Prussian MP's shutting down the Paris night-clubs.

As for the mistake the Russians made, I leave it to history.


Germany should've won the First World War.

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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 20, 2019 10:09 pm


The American one is far from the best. Too much white, and the white and red transition is too jarring.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:This tbh. The Fash and the Nazis are gunning people down with increasing regularity and are fully committed to a total war mentality and want to tear down everything that currently exists. The other side is content to shout slogans and counter protest but that does nothing and they just keep getting more and more power.

I guess that's the scary thing about those ideologies, isn't it? You can't beat them with words, you have to, in a way, become them and use their own methods to put them down. Anything less will lead to it just continually coming back.

What are you talking about? You make it sound as if there are Fascist militias 100 000 men strong marching on the whitehouse.

That is the scary thing about those ideologies. I just hope you're wrong about that.

Conserative Morality wrote:It's not their method, though. People might try to forget, whether out of weakness or cowardice, but liberalism did not begin with kindly protests and harshly worded letters. We did not birth a nation by simply objecting to the oppression of the British monarchy. The anciens regimes of Europe were not torn apart by slogans and protests. The revolutions of '48 did not have their day in the sun because they were scared of violence. The established liberal governments of the 19th and 20th centuries didn't survive by cowering and compromising with the scum that sought to overthrow them. The sooner the mainstream liberal left remembers this, the better.

Totalitarians are thieves and cowards. It's why they spread and engage in mindless political cacophony. Without anywhere to hide, without the ability to sob out excuses and claim persecution, without the restraint of liberal powers; they lose, and they know it.

Coward any day. Don't get me wrong, if it comes to total war between liberalism and fascism, a total war must be fought. But, if you are suggesting that we should violate the rights on Fascists in an attempt to curb Fascism, then I would say that's neither necessary nor justifiable.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:The administrations of France, Britain, and America lacked the balls to meaningfully intervene in the Civil War, losing Russia to communism.

It wasn't their place to do so. Nothing gives them the right to intervene in another country's civil war.

Benuty wrote:If you want to purge vile, and degenerate influence you take away one of the most powerful tools in existence. The constant, and incessant ability to rally between pro-life, and pro-choice. It's not your body or your choice if gestation occurs entirely away from the body, and pregnancy is no longer a political tool.

Also, anime is hardly the worst tool of degeneracy out there given there are far worse things. If you wanted to truly purge the U.S of degeneracy television, and movies would have to be snapped out an existence. Only then can the glorious days of the radio return to triumph!

In my mind and in my car, we can't rewind, we've gone too far.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 20, 2019 10:11 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:TBH either way the Allies messed up.

The only reasonable treatment after WWI would be to split Europe. Everything west of Berlin to France, everything east to Russia.

What about Spain, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden?
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 20, 2019 10:12 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:

The American one is far from the best. Too much white, and the white and red transition is too jarring.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:This tbh. The Fash and the Nazis are gunning people down with increasing regularity and are fully committed to a total war mentality and want to tear down everything that currently exists. The other side is content to shout slogans and counter protest but that does nothing and they just keep getting more and more power.

I guess that's the scary thing about those ideologies, isn't it? You can't beat them with words, you have to, in a way, become them and use their own methods to put them down. Anything less will lead to it just continually coming back.

What are you talking about? You make it sound as if there are Fascist militias 100 000 men strong marching on the whitehouse.

That is the scary thing about those ideologies. I just hope you're wrong about that.

Conserative Morality wrote:It's not their method, though. People might try to forget, whether out of weakness or cowardice, but liberalism did not begin with kindly protests and harshly worded letters. We did not birth a nation by simply objecting to the oppression of the British monarchy. The anciens regimes of Europe were not torn apart by slogans and protests. The revolutions of '48 did not have their day in the sun because they were scared of violence. The established liberal governments of the 19th and 20th centuries didn't survive by cowering and compromising with the scum that sought to overthrow them. The sooner the mainstream liberal left remembers this, the better.

Totalitarians are thieves and cowards. It's why they spread and engage in mindless political cacophony. Without anywhere to hide, without the ability to sob out excuses and claim persecution, without the restraint of liberal powers; they lose, and they know it.

Coward any day. Don't get me wrong, if it comes to total war between liberalism and fascism, a total war must be fought. But, if you are suggesting that we should violate the rights on Fascists in an attempt to curb Fascism, then I would say that's neither necessary nor justifiable.

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:The administrations of France, Britain, and America lacked the balls to meaningfully intervene in the Civil War, losing Russia to communism.

It wasn't their place to do so. Nothing gives them the right to intervene in another country's civil war.

Benuty wrote:If you want to purge vile, and degenerate influence you take away one of the most powerful tools in existence. The constant, and incessant ability to rally between pro-life, and pro-choice. It's not your body or your choice if gestation occurs entirely away from the body, and pregnancy is no longer a political tool.

Also, anime is hardly the worst tool of degeneracy out there given there are far worse things. If you wanted to truly purge the U.S of degeneracy television, and movies would have to be snapped out an existence. Only then can the glorious days of the radio return to triumph!

In my mind and in my car, we can't rewind, we've gone too far.

The madness never goes far enough in this place.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon May 20, 2019 10:12 pm

Politics is the realm of gentleman, conducted by closing deals and exchanging business cards.

Another martini, Paul?
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Politics is the realm of gentleman, conducted by closing deals and exchanging business cards.

Another martini, Paul?

"Gentleman" maybe, but let's be honest here we basically got involved in the Russian conflict to secure interests in the Russian far east. Outside of the initial business push, there was a halfhearted attempt to actively prep the whites for a return to the Russian heartland.
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Postby Kowani » Mon May 20, 2019 10:20 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Politics is the realm of gentleman, conducted by closing deals and exchanging business cards.

Another martini, Paul?

Politics is not the realm of gentlemen, politics is the argument of cavemen with a thin veneer of civilization.
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Postby Rostavykhan » Mon May 20, 2019 10:21 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:TBH either way the Allies messed up.

The only reasonable treatment after WWI would be to split Europe. Everything west of Berlin to France, everything east to Russia.

What about Spain, Portugal, Italy, Switzerland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Norway, Sweden?


Lesser peoples and fallen empires of little importance. They'd be better off unified and uplifted by Europe's best.

Switzerland is an exception, of course. The Swiss are respectable.

Kowani wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Politics is the realm of gentleman, conducted by closing deals and exchanging business cards.

Another martini, Paul?

Politics is not the realm of gentlemen, politics is the argument of cavemen with a thin veneer of civilization.



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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 20, 2019 10:26 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:Lesser peoples and fallen empires of little importance. They'd be better off unified and uplifted by Europe's best.

Denmark, Netherlands, Norway>France>most of Europe>USSR.
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon May 20, 2019 10:57 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It wasn't their place to do so. Nothing gives them the right to intervene in another country's civil war.

The Allied forces intervened on the invitation of White forces after the Bolsheviks unlawfully overthrew the Provisional Government. The Allies didn't "invade" Russia, regardless of Bolshie propaganda. They came in to help their allies and restore the rightful government but didn't go far enough.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon May 20, 2019 11:02 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:The administrations of France, Britain, and America lacked the balls to meaningfully intervene in the Civil War, losing Russia to communism.

It wasn't their place to do so. Nothing gives them the right to intervene in another country's civil war.


It was completely their place to do so. Communism was a global ideology which proposed the abolition of all countries, this was back when the socialist movement was a very powerful force. The Allies weren't just going to sit back and watch as a movement with universal aspirations decided to take over the Russian Empire.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 20, 2019 11:04 pm

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