2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Telconi]

Trump fans are almost like Komsomol members in the Soviet Union during Stalin's rule. No matter how hard Stalin hit them and their families, they worshipped the guy all the way.

You see, for them it is not an issue that they get hurt by Trump's pro-corporate anti-worker policies. The idea is that "the left" is miserable and that's all that counts for them. Dems do not seem to understand this thing at all. This is also what got the incompetent G.W. Bush elected to his second term for president (he was appointed by activist judge Scalia for the first). It's not "he's good for me" but "he's worse for you".

I understand it all too well, and that's what frightens me.

Imagine actually believing this.

[Telconi]

Imagine actually believing this.

Imagine being so brainwashed you question the truth by not believing it.

I don't t have to imagine it, I get exposed to it regularly.

[Shrillland]

I understand it all too well, and that's what frightens me.

Imagine actually believing this.

I didn't say you believed this, I said there are many voters that do. It goes back to people not understanding that "party before country" is not what's happening, rather "party is country" is what we are seeing.

[Telconi]

Imagine actually believing this.

I didn't say you believed this, I said there are many voters that do. It goes back to people not understanding that "party before country" is not what's happening, rather "party is country" is what we are seeing.

Members of a certain political party believe their political party is better than the opposition party?

Say it ain't so.

[Shrillland]

I didn't say you believed this, I said there are many voters that do. It goes back to people not understanding that "party before country" is not what's happening, rather "party is country" is what we are seeing.

Members of a certain political party believe their political party is better than the opposition party?

Say it ain't so.

There's a difference between thinking a party's better and thinking that party's going to lead to a nation's destruction. And before you start going after me for my Cassandra-esque views, my beef is with Trump and Trump alone, not the entire GOP. They'll follow any leader who espouses conservative principles as we will follow any who does the same with liberal or labourite principles.

[Page]

Imagine actually believing this.

I didn't say you believed this, I said there are many voters that do. It goes back to people not understanding that "party before country" is not what's happening, rather "party is country" is what we are seeing.

It's more than that though.

Michael Moore explained it brilliantly when he predicted Trump's 2016 victory: Trump is the molotov cocktail that the disenfranchised can throw at the establishment.

See, many people on the right are cognizant of the fact that they're being fucked over while the ruling class gets ever richer, but they instead direct their rage at others: Immigrants, Muslims, transgender people, liberals.

When slavery was abolished, many ex-slaves and their descendants became wage slaves, working for pennies because they needed it to survive. Proletarian whites lost jobs or had to work for less pay. With the owners exploiting black people, white people were disenfranchised. But they were deceived into blaming the black people rather than the captains of industry.

In the present day, there is a similar situation. Wages are stagnant, health care is unaffordable, people are watching their friends die of overdoses or suicide. They know they've been left behind. But they despise the left because they believe the left only cares about identity politics. "Fuck giving welfare and health care to illegals, I work my ass off to scrape buy."

Further, the ruling class sells them their own race or nationality. How do you placate people who have little wealth or opportunities of their own? Sell them their own citizenship. "You think you don't have anything, but you are an American, you are a citizen of the greatest country in the world."

And all that repressed anger keeps raging against the marginalized who they think want to steal from upstanding American citizens or destroy the culture or national identity.

The likes of Trump are a natural consequence of mass wealth inequality and social despair. Why trigger the libs and deport the illegals? Because they're the scapegoat, they're the surrogates for the ruling class.

[Telconi]

Members of a certain political party believe their political party is better than the opposition party?

Say it ain't so.

There's a difference between thinking a party's better and thinking that party's going to lead to a nation's destruction. And before you start going after me for my Cassandra-esque views, my beef is with Trump and Trump alone, not the entire GOP. They'll follow any leader who espouses conservative principles as we will follow any who does the same with liberal or labourite principles.

People generally blame conflict on the side they aren't on.

[Northern Davincia]

>Scalia
>activist

What?

Yes?

Scalia is as far from an activist judge as one can get. He was aligning with the constitution when ruling on Bush v. Gore.

[Shrillland]

It's more than that though.

Michael Moore explained it brilliantly when he predicted Trump's 2016 victory: Trump is the molotov cocktail that the disenfranchised can throw at the establishment.

See, many people on the right are cognizant of the fact that they're being fucked over while the ruling class gets ever richer, but they instead direct their rage at others: Immigrants, Muslims, transgender people, liberals.

When slavery was abolished, many ex-slaves and their descendants became wage slaves, working for pennies because they needed it to survive. Proletarian whites lost jobs or had to work for less pay. With the owners exploiting black people, white people were disenfranchised. But they were deceived into blaming the black people rather than the captains of industry.

In the present day, there is a similar situation. Wages are stagnant, health care is unaffordable, people are watching their friends die of overdoses or suicide. They know they've been left behind. But they despise the left because they believe the left only cares about identity politics. "Fuck giving welfare and health care to illegals, I work my ass off to scrape buy."

Further, the ruling class sells them their own race or nationality. How do you placate people who have little wealth or opportunities of their own? Sell them their own citizenship. "You think you don't have anything, but you are an American, you are a citizen of the greatest country in the world."

And all that repressed anger keeps raging against the marginalized who they think want to steal from upstanding American citizens or destroy the culture or national identity.

The likes of Trump are a natural consequence of mass wealth inequality and social despair. Why trigger the libs and deport the illegals? Because they're the scapegoat, they're the surrogates for the ruling class.

I completely agree.
That's why they'll go "Fuck the libs, let's own the libs, anything is better than the libs."

Because of this brainwashing by rich people who exploit them and care only about their own wealth, like Tarsonis(He's the only rich person here so only example I can think of to use that hits on a personal, ns level).

He's not the only one. Bear Stearns is pretty well off himself, working in investment tends to do that.

[Telconi]

It's more than that though.

Michael Moore explained it brilliantly when he predicted Trump's 2016 victory: Trump is the molotov cocktail that the disenfranchised can throw at the establishment.

See, many people on the right are cognizant of the fact that they're being fucked over while the ruling class gets ever richer, but they instead direct their rage at others: Immigrants, Muslims, transgender people, liberals.

When slavery was abolished, many ex-slaves and their descendants became wage slaves, working for pennies because they needed it to survive. Proletarian whites lost jobs or had to work for less pay. With the owners exploiting black people, white people were disenfranchised. But they were deceived into blaming the black people rather than the captains of industry.

In the present day, there is a similar situation. Wages are stagnant, health care is unaffordable, people are watching their friends die of overdoses or suicide. They know they've been left behind. But they despise the left because they believe the left only cares about identity politics. "Fuck giving welfare and health care to illegals, I work my ass off to scrape buy."

Further, the ruling class sells them their own race or nationality. How do you placate people who have little wealth or opportunities of their own? Sell them their own citizenship. "You think you don't have anything, but you are an American, you are a citizen of the greatest country in the world."

And all that repressed anger keeps raging against the marginalized who they think want to steal from upstanding American citizens or destroy the culture or national identity.

The likes of Trump are a natural consequence of mass wealth inequality and social despair. Why trigger the libs and deport the illegals? Because they're the scapegoat, they're the surrogates for the ruling class.

I completely agree.
That's why they'll go "Fuck the libs, let's own the libs, anything is better than the libs."

Because of this brainwashing by rich people who exploit them and care only about their own wealth, like Tarsonis(He's the only rich person here so only example I can think of to use that hits on a personal, ns level).

And that's the poison attitude right there. News flash my friend, people disagree with you because they find your ideas disagreeable, not because they secretly agree with you but are too "brainwashed" to admit it.

[Loben The 2nd]

imagine saying people are brainwashed lmao.

[Telconi]

imagine saying people are brainwashed lmao.

It's convenient. You don't have to deal with people's differences if you just pretend they're not really different after all.

[Northern Davincia]

I completely agree.
That's why they'll go "Fuck the libs, let's own the libs, anything is better than the libs."

Because of this brainwashing by rich people who exploit them and care only about their own wealth, like Tarsonis(He's the only rich person here so only example I can think of to use that hits on a personal, ns level).

He's not the only one. Bear Stearns is pretty well off himself, working in investment tends to do that.

It takes a certain level of audacity to ask people to hurt their financial standing for no reason. They deserve to keep every cent they earned.

[United States of Devonta]

Yes?

Scalia is as far from an activist judge as one can get. He was aligning with the constitution when ruling on Bush v. Gore.

Nope. Anytime anything is that close, recount. Sense then many states have mandatory recounts.

[Telconi]

He's not the only one. Bear Stearns is pretty well off himself, working in investment tends to do that.

They're the problem that Page described.

Financially successful people are a problem?

[Nakena]

He's not the only one. Bear Stearns is pretty well off himself, working in investment tends to do that.

They're the problem that Page described.

I disagree.

[Bear Stearns]

I completely agree.
That's why they'll go "Fuck the libs, let's own the libs, anything is better than the libs."

Because of this brainwashing by rich people who exploit them and care only about their own wealth, like Tarsonis(He's the only rich person here so only example I can think of to use that hits on a personal, ns level).

He's not the only one. Bear Stearns is pretty well off himself, working in investment tends to do that.

Ugh. Rude.

[Northern Davincia]

Scalia is as far from an activist judge as one can get. He was aligning with the constitution when ruling on Bush v. Gore.

Nope. Anytime anything is that close, recount. Sense then many states have mandatory recounts.

Why? You need more to justify a recount than a close result, and the constitution doesn't speak of the matter at all.

[Shrillland]

He's not the only one. Bear Stearns is pretty well off himself, working in investment tends to do that.

Ugh. Rude.

My apologies. I was merely pointing out that Tars wasn't the only well-off person amongst us.

[Loben The 2nd]

I will let you know I'm more irritable due to the recent dangers in my city so am more willing to drop my usual get-along-with-everyone to call stuff out as they are, bluntly, without concern for rudeness.

and yet here i am, not intimidated.

[Bear Stearns]

Ugh. Rude.

My apologies. I was merely pointing out that Tars wasn't the only well-off person amongst us.

More the suggestion that we brainwash people is what I'm getting at.

[Nakena]

I will let you know I'm more irritable due to the recent dangers in my city so am more willing to drop my usual get-along-with-everyone to call stuff out as they are, bluntly, without concern for rudeness.

This is NSG though, located on australian (?) servers, an entire ocean away.

[United States of Devonta]

Nope. Anytime anything is that close, recount. Sense then many states have mandatory recounts.

Why? You need more to justify a recount than a close result, and the constitution doesn't speak of the matter at all.

No you don't. Especially in a state like Florida that is known for its slow counts and mistakes. That's why many states have mandatory recounts if a result is close.

Founding fathers didn't foresee Bush v. Gore and the constitution is vague anyways. Scalia wanted a conservative so he voted along his lines.

[Shrillland]

My apologies. I was merely pointing out that Tars wasn't the only well-off person amongst us.

More the suggestion that we brainwash people is what I'm getting at.

Nah, I don't think you guys brainwash people. People see you and aspire to be something better, nothing wrong with that.

[United States of Devonta]

More the suggestion that we brainwash people is what I'm getting at.

Nah, I don't think you guys brainwash people. People see you and aspire to be something better, nothing wrong with that.

Lmao