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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Juristonia
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Postby Juristonia » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:23 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Al Sharpton considering running for president.
F*ck it! Let's just all run!

Farn, it's your time to shine!

Just make me your Secretary of State. :3

It's PJ Media making an article out of a fairly offhand comment.
So, you know, grain of salt.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:25 pm

Telconi wrote:
Pacomia wrote:You get the EPA. Good luck working that out.


Oh crap...

*buys respirator cartridges and iodine tabs*


Oh, come now. Nothing wrong with nukes. We have more reactors online than any other state, hell, we have the first reactor used for power, Dresden No. 1, and the Chicago Pile to boot. We haven't had a meltdown yet!
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:27 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Juristonia wrote:It's PJ Media making an article out of a fairly offhand comment.
So, you know, grain of salt.

Was good enough for Wikipedia.
Ugh.

The same Wikipedia that any asshole or moron can make an entry to until the moderators get around to checking and cleaning.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:30 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Oh crap...

*buys respirator cartridges and iodine tabs*


Oh, come now. Nothing wrong with nukes. We have more reactors online than any other state, hell, we have the first reactor used for power, Dresden No. 1, and the Chicago Pile to boot. We haven't had a meltdown yet!


It,'s not the power that's the problem, it's Lotharia's EPA deciding to use my house as a waste casket.
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The Liberated Territories
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Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:18 pm



New York is a liberal hellhole and should be abandoned by any rational thinking person.

Still good for him. I wish he would consider the presidency, given the awful choices the non-Trump right has.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:18 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:


New York is a liberal hellhole and should be abandoned by any rational thinking person.

Still good for him. I wish he would consider the presidency, given the awful choices the non-Trump right has.


That article was posted last Halloween. New York doesn't even have a gubernatorial election in 2020, it being a four year office and Cuomo having been re-elected last year.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:21 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
New York is a liberal hellhole and should be abandoned by any rational thinking person.

Still good for him. I wish he would consider the presidency, given the awful choices the non-Trump right has.


That article was posted last Halloween. New York doesn't even have a gubernatorial election in 2020, it being a four year office and Cuomo having been re-elected last year.


Ah thats right. Shudder, Cuomo.

Still stand with my last point tho
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:27 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Is Larry Sharpe a An-Cap?


I don't think so
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:55 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I saw what you did to those younglings Lotharia...

I couldn't help it! Chancellor Kowani wanted me to!

…Why in the unholy name of me am I everyone’s scapegoat?
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:41 am

Kowani wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I couldn't help it! Chancellor Kowani wanted me to!

…Why in the unholy name of me am I everyone’s scapegoat?


You just give off a Sheev Palpatine vibe I suppose.
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-Life
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:42 am

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:…Why in the unholy name of me am I everyone’s scapegoat?


You just give off a Sheev Palpatine vibe I suppose.

…I’m not that ugly.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:45 am

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
You just give off a Sheev Palpatine vibe I suppose.

…I’m not that ugly.


Mace Windu hasn't tried to kill you yet.
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-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:45 am

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:…I’m not that ugly.


Mace Windu hasn't tried to kill you yet.

Wait, but I’m the black guy!
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Loben The 2nd
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:30 am

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Mace Windu hasn't tried to kill you yet.

Wait, but I’m the black guy!


Samuel L Jackson is a equal opportunity killer.
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The Andromeda Archipelago
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Andromeda Archipelago » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:35 am

Hickenlooper to drop out!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-hickenlooper-to-drop-out-of-presidential-race-mulling-run-for-senate-2019-08-15/


Instead of jousting at windmills, pragmatist John Hickenlooper should run for the Senate against Cory Gardner.

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Zurkerx
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Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:49 am

The Andromeda Archipelago wrote:Hickenlooper to drop out!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/john-hickenlooper-to-drop-out-of-presidential-race-mulling-run-for-senate-2019-08-15/


Instead of jousting at windmills, pragmatist John Hickenlooper should run for the Senate against Cory Gardner.


He'll most likely run and he'll most likely get the nod. I feel confident he can beat him given Hickenlooper's popularity.

In other news, according to this analysis, Global turmoil Trump stirred threatens his reelection chances; it also reads this:

Trump did not cause all these crises. But his actions or unwillingness to temper them did deepen the discord in many cases. And his refusal to play the kind of stabilizing leadership role expected of a US president is fomenting power vacuums and may convince key protagonists in each drama that they may not face the kinds of consequences they might normally expect from Washington.

The President's worldview is rooted in his enduring belief that the world has been ripping America off for generations and that strength and unilateral US action are the only way to restore respect. He believes engagement abroad inevitably leads to costly commitments and bloody disasters like the Iraq War.


It goes on to list crises like Hong Kong, the economy, trade war, Iran, etc. I suspect this will have big implementations for the 2020 Election and it'll ultimately decide the Heart and Soul for years to come.
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Postby Granddaddy Purple » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:20 pm

HEY, man!
We're on page 420 and it's 4:20 PM... and the law here in my state is ...coooooooool. :)

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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:40 am

I find it amazing that someone like Steyer, who announced last month, almost qualifies for the debates. $100 million can go a long way. In other news, Someone decided to ask 20 people to name the candidates off their heads.

Not surprisingly, Biden, Warren, and Sanders did the best, with their names being mentioned 18, 15, 15 respectively (I would have thought it would be 20/20). Surprisingly, Gabbard was 13 which was higher than Buttigieg's 12.
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Postby Page » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:13 am

Zurkerx wrote:I find it amazing that someone like Steyer, who announced last month, almost qualifies for the debates. $100 million can go a long way. In other news, Someone decided to ask 20 people to name the candidates off their heads.

Not surprisingly, Biden, Warren, and Sanders did the best, with their names being mentioned 18, 15, 15 respectively (I would have thought it would be 20/20). Surprisingly, Gabbard was 13 which was higher than Buttigieg's 12.


Tulsi is getting more recognition than I thought, enough that the cable news has switched from the tactic of denying her existence to smearing her. Her message is resonating with people.
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:32 am

Page wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:I find it amazing that someone like Steyer, who announced last month, almost qualifies for the debates. $100 million can go a long way. In other news, Someone decided to ask 20 people to name the candidates off their heads.

Not surprisingly, Biden, Warren, and Sanders did the best, with their names being mentioned 18, 15, 15 respectively (I would have thought it would be 20/20). Surprisingly, Gabbard was 13 which was higher than Buttigieg's 12.


Tulsi is getting more recognition than I thought, enough that the cable news has switched from the tactic of denying her existence to smearing her. Her message is resonating with people.


You can't just ignore Gabbard dragging Harris on national television. Her debate performance is definitely getting her name out there.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:36 am

Valrifell wrote:
Page wrote:
Tulsi is getting more recognition than I thought, enough that the cable news has switched from the tactic of denying her existence to smearing her. Her message is resonating with people.


You can't just ignore Gabbard dragging Harris on national television. Her debate performance is definitely getting her name out there.


Indeed, she plowed Harris and it basically ruined Harris' chances. But her message resonating? Nah, she's still at one percent in the polls for the most part. Her campaign is more of getting her name out, not to become President. Hmm, maybe she could be a potential VP/Sec of State candidate? We'll see.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:28 am

Biden allies want to plan less rallies to limit the amount of gaffes Biden might have on the campaign trail lmao

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... mit-gaffes
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Postby Kowani » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:32 am

United States of Devonta wrote:Biden allies want to plan less rallies to limit the amount of gaffes Biden might have on the campaign trail lmao

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... mit-gaffes

Someone’s pragmatic.
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Postby Page » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:21 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
You can't just ignore Gabbard dragging Harris on national television. Her debate performance is definitely getting her name out there.


Indeed, she plowed Harris and it basically ruined Harris' chances. But her message resonating? Nah, she's still at one percent in the polls for the most part. Her campaign is more of getting her name out, not to become President. Hmm, maybe she could be a potential VP/Sec of State candidate? We'll see.


Her poll numbers are low because up until a few months ago, few people outside of Hawaii have heard of her, and it's an extremely crowded field. Plus, I think there is a big overlap of Gabbard and Sanders supporters - most everyone who supports Tulsi have a favorable view of Bernie, and since Bernie has more recognition and a much greater chance of winning, of the two progressives more people favor the one who can realistically become President.

I'm still hoping Bernie will become President and make Tulsi Secretary of State or Defense.

I haven't decided myself yet whether to vote for Bernie or Tulsi. Bernie has the better domestic policy, Tulsi has the better foreign policy. And it depends on how crucial it would be for Bernie to win my state during the primaries.
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Postby Zurkerx » Fri Aug 16, 2019 10:45 am

Page wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Indeed, she plowed Harris and it basically ruined Harris' chances. But her message resonating? Nah, she's still at one percent in the polls for the most part. Her campaign is more of getting her name out, not to become President. Hmm, maybe she could be a potential VP/Sec of State candidate? We'll see.


Her poll numbers are low because up until a few months ago, few people outside of Hawaii have heard of her, and it's an extremely crowded field. Plus, I think there is a big overlap of Gabbard and Sanders supporters - most everyone who supports Tulsi have a favorable view of Bernie, and since Bernie has more recognition and a much greater chance of winning, of the two progressives more people favor the one who can realistically become President.

I'm still hoping Bernie will become President and make Tulsi Secretary of State or Defense.

I haven't decided myself yet whether to vote for Bernie or Tulsi. Bernie has the better domestic policy, Tulsi has the better foreign policy. And it depends on how crucial it would be for Bernie to win my state during the primaries.


Even if Sanders fell, his supporters would go to Biden and Warren; Tulsi suffers from not being many people's first choice, or second, or third. Maybe years down she'll have a better shot but right now, she needs to increase her national profile and possibly make a run for the Senate, or hope she's appointed to a cabinet position (not Defense but Secretary of State would be perfect for her in my mind).

And which State would that be, btw, if I may ask? is it a key important one?
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