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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287

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Postby Arlenton » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:01 pm

Rostavykhan wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Guns made it far more easier.


People were perfectly capable of defending themselves without guns...right up until the Gatling Gun rendered their spears and shields obsolete.

Custer, you fool!

Btw I wish Gatling guns weren’t so expensive. A Gatling is high up on my list.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:03 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
New haven america wrote:So are all of what I posted.


1. i doubt fire is quick.

2. neither are knives, drug ODs, heights......

3. hell hanging could leave you fucked up if you break that fucking rope.

1. It is, in most cases you're either passed out or dead within 30 sec to a minute
2. Also false, they're quite quick.
3. The vast majority of people aren't capable of breaking standard issue ropes.
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:03 pm

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Loben The 2nd wrote:
and you take a shine to this in particular?

Nah, just a visible sign that Donnie's hardcore base is a personality cult that could have him piss on them like a Russian hooker and they'd call it baptism.

That’s a rather gross image. And also hyperbole. Go get a job writing some penny dreadful, because that’s what this sounds like.
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:04 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Also tend to act like humans couldn't defend themselves before guns were invented.


Guns made it far more easier.

Not if you’re the guy cleaning that up after a murder or a suicide, I imagine.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:13 pm

Arlenton wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Those aren't big gun control measures. His "baby steps" are way more then what Obama ever got accomplished.

Eh, workers right, LGBTQ, Campaign finance, Gerry meandering. The list goes on.

I'm glad many whites didn't hold that view during the civil rights movement. "I'm not black, so idc" Kinda cowardice

Obama couldn’t get what he wanted, thankfully. Comparing him to a Trump is silly.

Im all for Citizen’s United. Gerrymandering is mandated by the voting rights act, so I support Republicans gerrymandering until a truly fair system is possible (which won’t happen).

And I’m not a white person in the 60s.


Trump is pushing many of the measures Obama wanted, and some further. Just the assault weopons ban is the difference. So no, thinking Trump is a savior to america or the greatest thing to happen to it is silly.

We do have a fair system, it just Republicans have bad ideas and they never when the popular support of the populace. But at least your for corruption. And the way it is envisioned in the voting rights act is way different. But nice try.

That's not an argument. The way you approach a problem is cowardice in any era. This is why we learn about the famous "First they came" poem.
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Postby Arlenton » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:19 pm

United States of Devonta wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Obama couldn’t get what he wanted, thankfully. Comparing him to a Trump is silly.

Im all for Citizen’s United. Gerrymandering is mandated by the voting rights act, so I support Republicans gerrymandering until a truly fair system is possible (which won’t happen).

And I’m not a white person in the 60s.


Trump is pushing many of the measures Obama wanted, and some further. Just the assault weopons ban is the difference.

We do have a fair system, it just Republicans have bad ideas and they never when the popular support of the populace. But at least your for corruption. And the way it is envisioned in the voting rights act is way different. But nice try.

That's not an argument. The way you approach a problem is cowardice in any era. This is why we learn about the famous "First they came" poem.

The voting rights act mandates racial gerrymandering, plain and simple. That’s not a fair system, so then I wouldn’t want my representatives playing by fair rules.

And if the party that controls more state legislatures, governorships, the Senate, and Presidency is so unpopular, why would they want what you call a “fair system?” Because someone wrote some pro-commie poem?

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Postby Gormwood » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:21 pm

Arlenton wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Trump is pushing many of the measures Obama wanted, and some further. Just the assault weopons ban is the difference.

We do have a fair system, it just Republicans have bad ideas and they never when the popular support of the populace. But at least your for corruption. And the way it is envisioned in the voting rights act is way different. But nice try.

That's not an argument. The way you approach a problem is cowardice in any era. This is why we learn about the famous "First they came" poem.

The voting rights act mandates racial gerrymandering, plain and simple. That’s not a fair system, so then I wouldn’t want my representatives playing by fair rules.

And if the party that controls more state legislatures, governorships, the Senate, and Presidency is so unpopular, why would they want what you call a “fair system?” Because someone wrote some pro-commie poem?

So when have you ever been personally affected by race or left-leaning policies?
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Postby Arlenton » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:23 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Arlenton wrote:The voting rights act mandates racial gerrymandering, plain and simple. That’s not a fair system, so then I wouldn’t want my representatives playing by fair rules.

And if the party that controls more state legislatures, governorships, the Senate, and Presidency is so unpopular, why would they want what you call a “fair system?” Because someone wrote some pro-commie poem?

So when have you ever been personally affected by race or left-leaning policies?

When it’s made more difficult to buy weapons, and when some weapons are banned. Also when I have to pay more in taxes.

Then there’s the whole crime issue, but I moved to Texas so that’s not much of an issue for me anymore.
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Postby Jerzylvania » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:28 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Guns made it far more easier.

Not if you’re the guy cleaning that up after a murder or a suicide, I imagine.


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Postby New haven america » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:36 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So when have you ever been personally affected by race or left-leaning policies?

1. When it’s made more difficult to buy weapons, and when some weapons are banned. 2. Also when I have to pay more in taxes.

3. Then there’s the whole crime issue, but I moved to Texas so that’s not much of an issue for me anymore.

1. That you don't need
2. To pay for systems and services that help both you and your community
3. Liberal areas have higher education rates and lower crime rates across the board, so this is nonsense.

Also, under Trump, US tax payers paid ~$93 billion more in 2018 than they did in 2017, while businesses didn't pay $91 billion. Either way you look at it, you're paying more in taxes, but instead of benefiting you and your community, it's benefiting the top 1%.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:36 pm

Arlenton wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:
Trump is pushing many of the measures Obama wanted, and some further. Just the assault weopons ban is the difference.

We do have a fair system, it just Republicans have bad ideas and they never when the popular support of the populace. But at least your for corruption. And the way it is envisioned in the voting rights act is way different. But nice try.

That's not an argument. The way you approach a problem is cowardice in any era. This is why we learn about the famous "First they came" poem.

The voting rights act mandates racial gerrymandering, plain and simple. That’s not a fair system, so then I wouldn’t want my representatives playing by fair rules.

And if the party that controls more state legislatures, governorships, the Senate, and Presidency is so unpopular, why would they want what you call a “fair system?” Because someone wrote some pro-commie poem?


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Postby Jerzylvania » Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:58 pm

Time for another of my 2016 Political song parodies that is now even more applicable

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Postby Valrifell » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:14 pm

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Shucks, suicide sucks. If only it could have been harder for these people to get devices with the singular purpose to kill and easier to get mental healthcare.

I see how that's not an option.


It's not like knives, poison, tall buildings, carbon monoxide, electricity, drugs/alcohol, heavy traffic, fire, or rope exist to fill the gap in the "thinks to commit suicide with" roster.


All of which are remarkably less effective than a pistol to the temple. Funny how that works, the thing designed to kill is the most effective at killing.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:53 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:
It's not like knives, poison, tall buildings, carbon monoxide, electricity, drugs/alcohol, heavy traffic, fire, or rope exist to fill the gap in the "thinks to commit suicide with" roster.


All of which are remarkably less effective than a pistol to the temple. Funny how that works, the thing designed to kill is the most effective at killing.

End the deinstitutionalization movement and retain gun rights in full.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:57 am

Valrifell wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:
It's not like knives, poison, tall buildings, carbon monoxide, electricity, drugs/alcohol, heavy traffic, fire, or rope exist to fill the gap in the "thinks to commit suicide with" roster.


All of which are remarkably less effective than a pistol to the temple. Funny how that works, the thing designed to kill is the most effective at killing.

Funny.

I always thought one of your things was 'my body, my choice?'
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:58 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
All of which are remarkably less effective than a pistol to the temple. Funny how that works, the thing designed to kill is the most effective at killing.

End the deinstitutionalization movement and retain gun rights in full.

The two don't have to go together. You don't need to end deinstitutionalisation to maintain gun rights.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:49 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
All of which are remarkably less effective than a pistol to the temple. Funny how that works, the thing designed to kill is the most effective at killing.

Funny.

I always thought one of your things was 'my body, my choice?'


Safer ways to self euthanize, in spite of it's relatively high effectiveness, it's not 100%.
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Postby Hakons » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:18 am

Valrifell wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Funny.

I always thought one of your things was 'my body, my choice?'


Safer ways to self euthanize, in spite of it's relatively high effectiveness, it's not 100%.


"Safer ways to self euthanize" is just.... quite the phrase there

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:21 am

Valrifell wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Funny.

I always thought one of your things was 'my body, my choice?'


Safer ways to self euthanize, in spite of it's relatively high effectiveness, it's not 100%.

What does that statement even mean? You'd prefer a more effective method of suicide?
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Postby Tombradyonia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:39 am

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United States of Devonta wrote:
That's not even the problem lol, just a cherry on top.

Claiming Trump is the best thing that ever happened for this country is a pretty high order.

That's North Korea grade worship there. No wonder Donnie likes Kim so much.


Trump fans are almost like Komsomol members in the Soviet Union during Stalin's rule. No matter how hard Stalin hit them and their families, they worshipped the guy all the way.

You see, for them it is not an issue that they get hurt by Trump's pro-corporate anti-worker policies. The idea is that "the left" is miserable and that's all that counts for them. Dems do not seem to understand this thing at all. This is also what got the incompetent G.W. Bush elected to his second term for president (he was appointed by activist judge Scalia for the first). It's not "he's good for me" but "he's worse for you".
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:38 am

Tombradyonia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:That's North Korea grade worship there. No wonder Donnie likes Kim so much.


Trump fans are almost like Komsomol members in the Soviet Union during Stalin's rule. No matter how hard Stalin hit them and their families, they worshipped the guy all the way.

You see, for them it is not an issue that they get hurt by Trump's pro-corporate anti-worker policies. The idea is that "the left" is miserable and that's all that counts for them. Dems do not seem to understand this thing at all. This is also what got the incompetent G.W. Bush elected to his second term for president (he was appointed by activist judge Scalia for the first). It's not "he's good for me" but "he's worse for you".


I understand it all too well, and that's what frightens me.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:26 am

Tombradyonia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:That's North Korea grade worship there. No wonder Donnie likes Kim so much.


Trump fans are almost like Komsomol members in the Soviet Union during Stalin's rule. No matter how hard Stalin hit them and their families, they worshipped the guy all the way.

You see, for them it is not an issue that they get hurt by Trump's pro-corporate anti-worker policies. The idea is that "the left" is miserable and that's all that counts for them. Dems do not seem to understand this thing at all. This is also what got the incompetent G.W. Bush elected to his second term for president (he was appointed by activist judge Scalia for the first). It's not "he's good for me" but "he's worse for you".

>Scalia
>activist

What?
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:29 am


I already posted that, post-stealer.

On another note:
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Postby Tobleste » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:11 am

Shrillland wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
Trump fans are almost like Komsomol members in the Soviet Union during Stalin's rule. No matter how hard Stalin hit them and their families, they worshipped the guy all the way.

You see, for them it is not an issue that they get hurt by Trump's pro-corporate anti-worker policies. The idea is that "the left" is miserable and that's all that counts for them. Dems do not seem to understand this thing at all. This is also what got the incompetent G.W. Bush elected to his second term for president (he was appointed by activist judge Scalia for the first). It's not "he's good for me" but "he's worse for you".


I understand it all too well, and that's what frightens me.


On the bright side, his antics repel younger voters so it's possible an entire generation may despise the GOP and there's only so much they can do with gerrymandering and voting restrictions. Essentially, the trump voters are fighting a losing battle.
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Postby United States of Devonta » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:28 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
Trump fans are almost like Komsomol members in the Soviet Union during Stalin's rule. No matter how hard Stalin hit them and their families, they worshipped the guy all the way.

You see, for them it is not an issue that they get hurt by Trump's pro-corporate anti-worker policies. The idea is that "the left" is miserable and that's all that counts for them. Dems do not seem to understand this thing at all. This is also what got the incompetent G.W. Bush elected to his second term for president (he was appointed by activist judge Scalia for the first). It's not "he's good for me" but "he's worse for you".

>Scalia
>activist

What?


Yes?
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