2019-2020 US Election Megathread II: Tim Ryan's Empire

[Telconi]

Your principle doesn't change reality. This isn't Oz, Dorothy, you can't just click your heels and make it better.

History doesn't look kindly on appeasers for good reason.

It's now appeasement to acknowledge the existence of people?

[Liriena]

Personally I believe Trump is doing quite well as our President. He is for the people and Im thankful for the electoral college, which gives the benefit of the doubt for rural areas such as where I live. The Democratic Party is failing miserably and I believe Trump will not only win the electoral college but popular vote also, he has stood by his word for almost 4 years now. The problem isn't who is in office its the senators and representatives who serve 30 plus years. We need someone with a firm stance and who will fight for our country, not some normal sale out politician. Clinton, Bush, and Obama did nothing but create new welfare bills that everyone thought were great ideas but they weren't, it created a more deficit to our debt. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE TRUMP IS A RACIST? HE IS NOT. BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BUILD A WALL? THAT PROTECTS THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES FROM HARM.

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

[Aclion]

I still wonder why Yang isn't more popular. He's exactly what they need to win over the white working class(but polls seem to show Biden could do it anyway based on Trump's performace/failure to live up to his campaign promises)

Because his party has abandoned the white working class. He'd do well in a general election, but not enough to beat an incumbent Trump.

[Rhodesia-Zimbabwe]

Should is meaningless, the political reality deals with what is, not what any particular person thinks should be.

Only if you lack principles.

But then again, it's Biden. Not sure what I expect.

I don't know what politics were like in fantasyland, but in the United States being uncivil as a politician had very real consequences in the 70s. It's better to be respected and still vote against bills that can disenfranchise blacks than to lose all respect and not get elected period. Doing something that can hurt your image is never good as a politician, you need to appear respectable to voters.

[Shrillland]

Today is Juneteenth, and that of course means Biden has to wax poetic about his days working with Dixiecrats: https://news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-on-racist-colleague-he-never-called-me-boy-153400998.html

I do understand what he was trying to say, people who disagree on everything still have to try to work together, but this really wasn't the way to do it. Not in an incredibly diverse primary field and not so close to today of all days, especially.

[Rojava Free State]

Personally I believe Trump is doing quite well as our President. He is for the people and Im thankful for the electoral college, which gives the benefit of the doubt for rural areas such as where I live. The Democratic Party is failing miserably and I believe Trump will not only win the electoral college but popular vote also, he has stood by his word for almost 4 years now. The problem isn't who is in office its the senators and representatives who serve 30 plus years. We need someone with a firm stance and who will fight for our country, not some normal sale out politician. Clinton, Bush, and Obama did nothing but create new welfare bills that everyone thought were great ideas but they weren't, it created a more deficit to our debt. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE TRUMP IS A RACIST? HE IS NOT. BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BUILD A WALL? THAT PROTECTS THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES FROM HARM.

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Tell me how that non-existent wall is coming for you, or the coal jobs that aren't coming back

Also, since you asked for when trump was racist:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics ... index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- ... k-2015-11/
https://time.com/5100058/donald-trump-s ... countries/
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/ar ... -trump-un/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... r-database

This man's campaign was based on xenophobia, and anyone who denies it is either ignorant or wishes they weren't supporting a man who capitalized on racism.

[Sybil and the Sybillettes]

The more I read about Biden's past the more I hope he doesn't get the Democratic nomination.

Im leaning more and more towards Warren but I pledge that whoever the Democratic nominee is that's who I will vote for

In the end its the only sane choice when the next POTUS is Donald Trump (again )or whomever the Dems nominate. It just works best when it's the candidate with the best chance at beating Trump decisively.

[Rojava Free State]

I still wonder why Yang isn't more popular. He's exactly what they need to win over the white working class(but polls seem to show Biden could do it anyway based on Trump's performace/failure to live up to his campaign promises)

Because his party has abandoned the white working class. He'd do well in a general election, but not enough to beat an incumbent Trump.

I've seen many of trumps supporters already switching over to the yang side, and considering what country and era we live in, yang's promise of 1000 a month would probably convince 75% of Americans to vote for him

[Scomagia]

Joe Biden isn't an eloquent speaker? Shocking.

Seriously, Biden is lackluster in general and regularly stuffs his foot in his mouth so this is hardly surprising.

[Rojava Free State]

Joe Biden isn't an eloquent speaker? Shocking.

Seriously, Biden is lackluster in general and regularly stuffs his foot in his mouth so this is hardly surprising.

Remember when he promised to cure cancer?

[Rhodesia-Zimbabwe]

Joe Biden isn't an eloquent speaker? Shocking.

Seriously, Biden is lackluster in general and regularly stuffs his foot in his mouth so this is hardly surprising.

Remember when he promised to cure cancer?

Next thing he tells us is that he will make anime real.

[NEALVILLA]

Personally I believe Trump is doing quite well as our President. He is for the people and Im thankful for the electoral college, which gives the benefit of the doubt for rural areas such as where I live. The Democratic Party is failing miserably and I believe Trump will not only win the electoral college but popular vote also, he has stood by his word for almost 4 years now. The problem isn't who is in office its the senators and representatives who serve 30 plus years. We need someone with a firm stance and who will fight for our country, not some normal sale out politician. Clinton, Bush, and Obama did nothing but create new welfare bills that everyone thought were great ideas but they weren't, it created a more deficit to our debt.

Other than committing crimes. And a tax cut deepens the existing deficit. Trump is also literally the epitome of a "sellout" politician. As in, his campaign sold us out to Russia. He lost the pop vote last time, so I'm not completely sure about it, anyway. His word has been breached nearly each and every time, btw.

The Mueller report found nothing against him with the Russian conclusion. The Democratic Party is controlling y'all like puppets by selling fake atrocities. What Crime has he committed? A tax cut does not deepen the existing deficit. He turned around and opposed higher tariffs on goods coming to America ex: China, which makes up for the tax cuts. Bringing Jobs back to America betters the economy, so that we can export more goods. He's trying to better the welfare system by cutting programs that are nonsense, its being abused. After his 8 years in office you will either see a slow down on Americas debt deficit or a big drop.

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

Meanwhile Trump "opened" his campaign in Orlando like it was still 2016.

The noticeable nasty T-shirts too many of the attendees adorned had slogans such as "Trump 202: Fuck your feelings" and "Make Liberals Cry Again." Sick.

When did insecure Donald Trump ever stop campaigning?

[Scomagia]

Because his party has abandoned the white working class. He'd do well in a general election, but not enough to beat an incumbent Trump.

I've seen many of trumps supporters already switching over to the yang side, and considering what country and era we live in, yang's promise of 1000 a month would probably convince 75% of Americans to vote for him

Well yeah, people usually like getting money for nothing. It's not a hard sell. Aside from that one position, though, I don't think people really know what his policy stances are. I don't.

[Rojava Free State]

I've seen many of trumps supporters already switching over to the yang side, and considering what country and era we live in, yang's promise of 1000 a month would probably convince 75% of Americans to vote for him

Well yeah, people usually like getting money for nothing. It's not a hard sell. Aside from that one position, though, I don't think people really know what his policy stances are. I don't.

All I know is he supports free money. I really haven't read much on yang although he's awesome as a meme

[Scomagia]

Joe Biden isn't an eloquent speaker? Shocking.

Seriously, Biden is lackluster in general and regularly stuffs his foot in his mouth so this is hardly surprising.

Remember when he promised to cure cancer?

Was that a thing?

[Scomagia]

Well yeah, people usually like getting money for nothing. It's not a hard sell. Aside from that one position, though, I don't think people really know what his policy stances are. I don't.

All I know is he supports free money. I really haven't read much on yang although he's awesome as a meme

I think that'll be a huge problem for him. People have to know him as more than the "free money guy".

[NEALVILLA]

Radical centrism, huh? If the ideas endorsed by radical centrists are not feasible, surely these will be ignored, yes?

Personally I believe Trump is doing quite well as our President. He is for the people and Im thankful for the electoral college, which gives the benefit of the doubt for rural areas such as where I live. The Democratic Party is failing miserably and I believe Trump will not only win the electoral college but popular vote also, he has stood by his word for almost 4 years now. The problem isn't who is in office its the senators and representatives who serve 30 plus years. We need someone with a firm stance and who will fight for our country, not some normal sale out politician. Clinton, Bush, and Obama did nothing but create new welfare bills that everyone thought were great ideas but they weren't, it created a more deficit to our debt. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE TRUMP IS A RACIST? HE IS NOT. BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BUILD A WALL? THAT PROTECTS THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES FROM HARM.

Bush is Republican.

Bush is a politician who is corrupt. Trump ran as a Republican so that he get the votes he needs. If he ran as an independent he wouldn't gain the votes he needed due to lifetime voters already making there mind up on who they vote for, such as straight line voters. But if Trump went with a party it was Republican. Neither parties like him because he is very outspoken and uncontrollable since he was never bought out by corporations.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Im down for some centerism.

Id still want Bernie but id be happy with Biden.


OP dont get so angry, either one of these two candidates would be better then Trump.

[Nakena]

I'm sure by now we've all been drowning in the various news reports on professional nice guy Joe Biden, who has decided that the best way to defeat trump is to be his total opposite. Uncle Joe has made the decision to be as bipartisan as possible, the only issue being that he won't even stand against the other side when they cross moral lines. It was bad enough when he called dick Cheney a decent guy, but this time our favorite senior citizen went farther than he ever went before in being offensive and a nice guy at the same time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... MZN#page=2

To give you the cliffnote version of what the article stated, biden reminisced over civility in government between the pro and anti segregation sides and called for civility in the modern era between the far right and far left. While I of course support peaceful discussion and civil discourse when possible, sometimes the other side is just wrong ladies and gentlemen. I never thought I would say this but radical centrism does exist and it's when you think there is never a good and bad side, or even lesser of evils. Biden is annoying me in the sense that he's drawing the dichotomy as being either you become antifa and throw water balloons full of urine at Sargon of Akkad or you meet with neo nazis and ask them how we can compromise so all parties are happy. No Joe, sometimes the other side is truly shit. The pro segregation senators were pieces of shit, not some guys who kinda disagreed on a small issue. Dick Cheney is responsible for a war that claimed the lives of 3000 Americans and 200000 iraqis, destabilizing the middle East even more. Sometimes you just gotta be honest and say the bad guys were bad. The racists were racist, the sociopaths were murderous. This isn't just a disagreement. Democrats, if this is the best you can do, I'm blaming you for when the Orange man is reelected. Get some new candidates, your best one still sucks.I

So what are your thoughts on the article NSers? Any particular views you wanna share?

Yeah. Biden actually isnt doing the wrong thing here. There a lot of shit people on all sides and everywhere. Crazy people. But by going all on each others throats all the US will get are some more bad times. I mean go all out, call it out. Right. But then? What then? Because thats the problem here, the only then that comes is a spiral of more BS and hatred building without anything being solved, fixed or even seriously worked at. If anything it works contrary to that. It just leaves more damage to everything and everyone involved.

I believe a lot of people are tried of extreme partisanship and the surrounding drama.

That is, in any case, the card Biden is being playing.

[The South Falls]

Biden isn't playing the game safely like a man in his position should.

[Vetalia]

Tell me how that non-existent wall is coming for you, or the coal jobs that aren't coming back

Also, since you asked for when trump was racist:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics ... index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- ... k-2015-11/
https://time.com/5100058/donald-trump-s ... countries/
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/ar ... -trump-un/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... r-database

This man's campaign was based on xenophobia, and anyone who denies it is either ignorant or wishes they weren't supporting a man who capitalized on racism.

Muslims aren't a race, though.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Personally I believe Trump is doing quite well as our President. He is for the people and Im thankful for the electoral college, which gives the benefit of the doubt for rural areas such as where I live. The Democratic Party is failing miserably and I believe Trump will not only win the electoral college but popular vote also, he has stood by his word for almost 4 years now. The problem isn't who is in office its the senators and representatives who serve 30 plus years. We need someone with a firm stance and who will fight for our country, not some normal sale out politician. Clinton, Bush, and Obama did nothing but create new welfare bills that everyone thought were great ideas but they weren't, it created a more deficit to our debt. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE TRUMP IS A RACIST? HE IS NOT. BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BUILD A WALL? THAT PROTECTS THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES FROM HARM.

>says he wants to stop debt being added
>wants to spend a massive amount of money on a useless wall

Bruh

Trump has only added to the debt so the argument of "ebil wellfare debt adding" doesnt work here.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

Tell me how that non-existent wall is coming for you, or the coal jobs that aren't coming back

Also, since you asked for when trump was racist:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics ... index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- ... k-2015-11/
https://time.com/5100058/donald-trump-s ... countries/
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/ar ... -trump-un/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... r-database

This man's campaign was based on xenophobia, and anyone who denies it is either ignorant or wishes they weren't supporting a man who capitalized on racism.

They arnt comming back lol

http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2019/01/ ... ts-closing

Fusion investment is better long term anyway.


I derpeed when reading this post srry

[The South Falls]

Tell me how that non-existent wall is coming for you, or the coal jobs that aren't coming back

Also, since you asked for when trump was racist:
https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics ... index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- ... k-2015-11/
https://time.com/5100058/donald-trump-s ... countries/
https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/ar ... -trump-un/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... r-database

This man's campaign was based on xenophobia, and anyone who denies it is either ignorant or wishes they weren't supporting a man who capitalized on racism.

Muslims aren't a race, though.

To be fair, hispanics are, though.