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Which Candidate do you like most after the debates?(Ranked in order of polling after said debates)

Joe Biden
40
14%
Bernie Sanders
92
32%
Elizabeth Warren
27
9%
Kamala Harris
10
3%
Pete Buttigieg
15
5%
Cory Booker
2
1%
Beto O'Rourke
3
1%
Andrew Yang
38
13%
Other
49
17%
Undecided
11
4%
 
Total votes : 287
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 22, 2019 7:37 pm

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Did you doubt it then?

Yes. I didn't think Clinton had a better shot at winning than Bernie, even though everyone was saying vote for Clinton because only she can beat trump.


So you’ll be wrong twice in a row?
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Postby Galloism » Wed May 22, 2019 7:39 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Galloism wrote:Yes. I didn't think Clinton had a better shot at winning than Bernie, even though everyone was saying vote for Clinton because only she can beat trump.


So you’ll be wrong twice in a row?

More likely we'll never be conclusively proven wrong or right without spinning up a parallel universe.
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Postby Ngelmish » Wed May 22, 2019 7:40 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
You are not in a position to honestly knock knee-jerk voting.



He's much less honest.

How is Bernie dishonest?


He's disingenuous about his record, he's disingenuous about his consistency, and he believes that his good intentions should count on flawed bills he votes for whereas only bad outcomes should apply to other senators who vote the same way on the same legislation.

It wouldn't be as risible if he didn't claim to be uniquely honest
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Postby South Odreria » Wed May 22, 2019 7:59 pm

Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
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Sanders will do poorly in retiree states, because people who are able to retire are less likely to support him.


Biden has been lapping the Dem field in the polls. He also does best against Trump in the general per state and in nationalpolls . Not many people really expected this but there it is. Biden is fine if that's what it takes to rid us of the current morass.


Biden has lost 13 points in the polls in 3 weeks, according to HarrisX.
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Postby Telconi » Wed May 22, 2019 9:02 pm

Ngelmish wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Remember when Republicans were a cult for checking all the "R" boxes?


You are not in a position to honestly knock knee-jerk voting.

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What's wrong with Bernie? What does Biden have other than popularity among older demographics, that Bernie doesn't?


He's much less honest.


As a reasonable voter who's never engaged in the practice of knee jerk party ticket voting, and who has no intention of doing so in the future, I most certainly am.
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Postby Ngelmish » Wed May 22, 2019 9:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
You are not in a position to honestly knock knee-jerk voting.



He's much less honest.


As a reasonable voter who's never engaged in the practice of knee jerk party ticket voting, and who has no intention of doing so in the future, I most certainly am.


To quote a certain Telconi, "Lying is bad." You should stop doing it
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Postby Shrillland » Wed May 22, 2019 9:10 pm

Ngelmish wrote:
Telconi wrote:
As a reasonable voter who's never engaged in the practice of knee jerk party ticket voting, and who has no intention of doing so in the future, I most certainly am.


To quote a certain Telconi, "Lying is bad." You should stop doing it


Oh, come now. He's not a knee-jerk Republican voting straight GOP, he's voted for others in the past, I'm sure. We all have voted for someone outside our traditional party, haven't we?
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Postby Telconi » Wed May 22, 2019 9:10 pm

Ngelmish wrote:
Telconi wrote:
As a reasonable voter who's never engaged in the practice of knee jerk party ticket voting, and who has no intention of doing so in the future, I most certainly am.


To quote a certain Telconi, "Lying is bad." You should stop doing it


Meaningless accusations are lying. Stating facts aren't. You might need a new dictionary.
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Postby Galloism » Wed May 22, 2019 9:12 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
To quote a certain Telconi, "Lying is bad." You should stop doing it


Oh, come now. He's not a knee-jerk Republican voting straight GOP, he's voted for others in the past, I'm sure. We all have voted for someone outside our traditional party, haven't we?

I’ll admit I voted for George the Elder.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed May 22, 2019 9:13 pm

Galloism wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Oh, come now. He's not a knee-jerk Republican voting straight GOP, he's voted for others in the past, I'm sure. We all have voted for someone outside our traditional party, haven't we?

I’ll admit I voted for George the Elder.


I can't say I've done so for the presidency, but I have voted for Greens for congress, and I even voted for a Republican mayor here in my town.
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Postby Telconi » Wed May 22, 2019 9:14 pm

Galloism wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Oh, come now. He's not a knee-jerk Republican voting straight GOP, he's voted for others in the past, I'm sure. We all have voted for someone outside our traditional party, haven't we?

I’ll admit I voted for George the Elder.


God you're old. Anyhow, I've been of age for three presidential elections, and haven't voted the same party twice so...
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Postby Ngelmish » Wed May 22, 2019 9:18 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
To quote a certain Telconi, "Lying is bad." You should stop doing it


Oh, come now. He's not a knee-jerk Republican voting straight GOP, he's voted for others in the past, I'm sure. We all have voted for someone outside our traditional party, haven't we?


Sure.

Telconi wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
To quote a certain Telconi, "Lying is bad." You should stop doing it


Meaningless accusations are lying. Stating facts aren't. You might need a new dictionary.


When was the last national election that you didn't vote on gun politics?
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Postby Telconi » Wed May 22, 2019 9:19 pm

Ngelmish wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Oh, come now. He's not a knee-jerk Republican voting straight GOP, he's voted for others in the past, I'm sure. We all have voted for someone outside our traditional party, haven't we?


Sure.

Telconi wrote:
Meaningless accusations are lying. Stating facts aren't. You might need a new dictionary.


When was the last national election that you didn't vote on gun politics?


Gun politics aren't a political party, goalposts back where they belong please.
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Postby Kowani » Wed May 22, 2019 9:26 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
Sure.



When was the last national election that you didn't vote on gun politics?


Gun politics aren't a political party, goalposts back where they belong please.

In the same way that tax cuts aren’t a political party.
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Postby Telconi » Wed May 22, 2019 9:40 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Gun politics aren't a political party, goalposts back where they belong please.

In the same way that tax cuts aren’t a political party.


Indeed.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 10:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sidesh0w B0b wrote:
Biden has been lapping the Dem field in the polls. He also does best against Trump in the general per state and in nationalpolls . Not many people really expected this but there it is. Biden is fine if that's what it takes to rid us of the current morass.

I just want to beat Trump and if Biden is our best chance so be it. I hope there is a women vp candidate .

Reminder: He who puts victory before policy doesn't deserve the former and will lose both.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 22, 2019 10:24 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What's wrong with Bernie? What does Biden have other than popularity among older demographics, that Bernie doesn't?


More than a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected

*other than popularity with older demographics*
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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 23, 2019 2:33 am

Speak of the Devil....Amash is indeed going to be primaried(yes, it's a Fox News video, but the guy on it seems determined).https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-lawmaker-announces-primary-challenge-134631468.html
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Postby Telconi » Thu May 23, 2019 3:41 am

Shrillland wrote:Speak of the Devil....Amash is indeed going to be primaried(yes, it's a Fox News video, but the guy on it seems determined).https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-lawmaker-announces-primary-challenge-134631468.html


Can't be breaking them ranks Justin.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 23, 2019 5:01 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
More than a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected

*other than popularity with older demographics*


Yeah. Biden has more than a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected. Bernie doesn't.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 23, 2019 5:03 am

Galloism wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Oh, come now. He's not a knee-jerk Republican voting straight GOP, he's voted for others in the past, I'm sure. We all have voted for someone outside our traditional party, haven't we?

I’ll admit I voted for George the Elder.


I voted for Kay Hagan, NC Democratic senator. What a waste of space she turned out be.

And I voted forpot legalization Gary Johnson
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 5:32 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:*other than popularity with older demographics*


Yeah. Biden has more than a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected. Bernie doesn't.

That's not true, but even if it was, electability is not as important as good policy.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu May 23, 2019 5:50 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Yeah. Biden has more than a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected. Bernie doesn't.

That's not true, but even if it was, electability is not as important as good policy.


You have to get elected to institute good policy.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu May 23, 2019 6:21 am

Shrillland wrote:Speak of the Devil....Amash is indeed going to be primaried(yes, it's a Fox News video, but the guy on it seems determined).https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-lawmaker-announces-primary-challenge-134631468.html

Further proof the Republican Party is just a Trump personality cult. Maybe if Amash says "Close your eyes and pretend it's Obama or Hillary."
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 23, 2019 6:24 am

Tarsonis wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:*other than popularity with older demographics*


Yeah. Biden has more than a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected. Bernie doesn't.

As I said before, he who puts victory before policy doesn't deserve the former and will attain neither.
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