Alpha-Betas: Do they exist?

[The Rich Port]

That's your best "remark"?

Oof.

You also never explained what you meant by it.

Absolutely nothing, it just sounded Incelish enough.

... OK?

Is that your big 8 dimensional chess move?

[Heloin]

Do you seriously expect people to become... Voluntarily celibate, as opposed to involuntarily celibate?

Cuz, yeah, that's not gonna happen.

He was trying to get banned for some reason.

I mean, there are easier ways to do that.

[Galloism]

It's an invalid interpretation because it's using a term that is exclusively reserved to blame men for their own problems.

I understand your sentiment here, but I think it misunderstands fundamentally that toxic masculinity addresses a systemic problem as opposed to an individual one. It's easy to see it as man-blaming, but truth be told, men are victims of it too. And while it'd be easy to say that "women's rights will make it all better", it's obviously more complex than that. Instead, working with men to reach a healthier masculinity and feminity will be beneficial to everyone. At least, that's the way I see it.

Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.

Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.

The women in their life won’t let them.

It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.

[Costa Fierro]

Why are you still doing it?

That's a better question for you to ask yourself.

[Heloin]

Do you seriously expect people to become... Voluntarily celibate, as opposed to involuntarily celibate?

Cuz, yeah, that's not gonna happen.

Let me catch you up.
Not actually an incel.
Got some health shit going on.
trying to catch a DOS.

So you wasted peoples time because you don't want to use this site anymore?

[Slotted Floppies]

He was trying to get banned for some reason.

I mean, there are easier ways to do that.

I’m not going to start calling people the N word.

[Cannot think of a name]

He was trying to get banned for some reason.

I mean, there are easier ways to do that.

Right?

[New haven america]

Let me catch you up.
Not actually an incel.
Got some health shit going on.
trying to catch a DOS.

So you wasted peoples time because you don't want to use this site anymore?

Yes.

[Slotted Floppies]

Let me catch you up.
Not actually an incel.
Got some health shit going on.
trying to catch a DOS.

So you wasted peoples time because you don't want to use this site anymore?

It’s been 8 years, times come.

[Cataluna]

Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.

Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.

The women in their life won’t let them.

It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.

In what way are women the "primay enforcers" of male gender roles?

[The Rich Port]

I understand your sentiment here, but I think it misunderstands fundamentally that toxic masculinity addresses a systemic problem as opposed to an individual one. It's easy to see it as man-blaming, but truth be told, men are victims of it too. And while it'd be easy to say that "women's rights will make it all better", it's obviously more complex than that. Instead, working with men to reach a healthier masculinity and feminity will be beneficial to everyone. At least, that's the way I see it.

Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.

Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.

The women in their life won’t let them.

It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.

... Huh?

[Heloin]

I mean, there are easier ways to do that.

Right?

Come now. You've been using this site since the beginning. If you wanted to be made a DOS for some stupid reason you could come up with dozens if not hundreds of ways if you needed to.

[Cannot think of a name]

Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.

Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.

The women in their life won’t let them.

It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.

In what way are women the "primay enforcers" of male gender roles?

I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.

[The Rich Port]

So you wasted peoples time because you don't want to use this site anymore?

It’s been 8 years, times come.

Thank you so much for doing absolutely nothing for the forum.

You really opened my eyes at how awful it is here. Oh wait, no you didn't.

[Galloism]

Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.

Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.

The women in their life won’t let them.

It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.

In what way are women the "primay enforcers" of male gender roles?

They are the primary source of social shame and ridicule for transgression of the gender role.

You know, the usual way gender roles are enforced.

There’s an interesting article in The Atlantic about it.

What Brown also discovered in the course of her research is that, contrary to her early assumptions, men's shame is not primarily inflicted by other men. Instead, it is the women in their lives who tend to be repelled when men show the chinks in their armor.

"Most women pledge allegiance to this idea that women can explore their emotions, break down, fall apart—and it's healthy," Brown said. "But guys are not allowed to fall apart." Ironically, she explained, men are often pressured to open up and talk about their feelings, and they are criticized for being emotionally walled-off; but if they get too real, they are met with revulsion. She recalled the first time she realized that she had been complicit in the shaming: "Holy Shit!" she said. "I am the patriarchy!"

[Cannot think of a name]

Right?

Come now. You've been using this site since the beginning. If you wanted to be made a DOS for some stupid reason you could come up with dozens if not hundreds of ways if you needed to.

Hmm. This must be a regional difference in language. Saying "right?" is a conformation of something that is extra true. For instance:
Statement -> "The sky is blue."
Agreement/confirmation of something undeniably true -> "Right?"

[New haven america]

Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.

Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.

The women in their life won’t let them.

It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.

In what way are women the "primay enforcers" of male gender roles?

When it comes to relationships women almost always have all the cards (Unless the guy becomes wealthy or powerful). This isn't a secret.

Biologically, they're the ones who decided who they're going to be with and for how long, which makes sense because reproduction is so hard on them compared to men. However, we haven't dropped this behavior in a lot of areas yet, so women are still the primary choosers or deciders of who gets to be with them or even reproduce or not, which means that males need to constantly fit and mimic how "Men" are supposed to behave in order to please current and potential partners. You know: Stoic, confident, lacking in emotion or problems, funny, making more money than their partner (Fun fact, one of the largest divorce demographics is women who make more money than their male partners), taller than their partner, etc...

This doesn't happen in LGBT relationships, btw.

[Slotted Floppies]

It’s been 8 years, times come.

Thank you so much for doing absolutely nothing for the forum.

You really opened my eyes at how awful it is here. Oh wait, no you didn't.

Hey at least I’m not a Muslim.
They are all bad people.
Killing them off would be just dandy.
This is trolling.

[Cataluna]

I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.

Speaking as a trans woman, women have been more accepting of me shedding a male gender role than men have, but apparently that's invalid.
To be clear, I think bromances are really sweet, and so do most other women I know.

[Heloin]

Come now. You've been using this site since the beginning. If you wanted to be made a DOS for some stupid reason you could come up with dozens if not hundreds of ways if you needed to.

Hmm. This must be a regional difference in language. Saying "right?" is a conformation of something that is extra true. For instance:
Statement -> "The sky is blue."
Agreement/confirmation of something undeniably true -> "Right?"

Also it's two in the morning for me so there is the possibility that I may not be thinking straight as such.

[New haven america]

I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.

Speaking as a trans woman, women have been more accepting of me shedding a male gender role than men have, but apparently that's invalid.
To be clear, I think bromances are really sweet, and so do most other women I know.

Ah, you haven't met TERF's yet.

[Galloism]

Incidentally, the data suggests the primary enforcers of the male gender role are women. You don’t need to work with men as much as you need to work with women. Men do enforce, but mostly as proxy enforcers for women.

Men want to shed their gender role, by and large. It’s very oppressive.

The women in their life won’t let them.

It’s one of the reasons bromances are on the rise.

... Huh?

Huh what?

In what way are women the "primay enforcers" of male gender roles?

I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.

Your experience is quite atypical in this regard, if the research we have (which isn’t a lot, admittedly), is to be believed.

That being said, my experience tends to match the research. If I tell another man my work or financial or personal worries, they tend to listen, be sympathetic, and try to offer suggestions. My female friends though tend to just try to change the subject or throw out platitudes like “you’ll power through it” and then change the subject.

Nana being the one very notable exception that proves the rule.

[Cataluna]

Speaking as a trans woman, women have been more accepting of me shedding a male gender role than men have, but apparently that's invalid.
To be clear, I think bromances are really sweet, and so do most other women I know.

Ah, you haven't met TERF's yet.

I have, I just don't interact with them

[The Rich Port]

I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.

Speaking as a trans woman, women have been more accepting of me shedding a male gender role than men have, but apparently that's invalid.
To be clear, I think bromances are really sweet, and so do most other women I know.

I've also... Never been shamed by a woman for my emotional vulnerabilities. A woman's also never made fun of how comparatively small my penis is, for that matter.

In fact, one of the first identified modern "bromances" was Frodo and Samwise from the Lord of the Rings movie, and there was a huge backlash from men that it was sick, wrong, and gay.

[Galloism]

I imagine it's the cliche of women attacking a man's masculinity or demanding masculinity from men in terms of behavior or societal roles. Which surely does exist. I haven't really experienced it, it's mostly dudes I feel I need to hit with a blast from a hose when they find out I'm friends with a hot chick with no plans to try and fuck her, but everyone's mileage varies.

Speaking as a trans woman, women have been more accepting of me shedding a male gender role than men have, but apparently that's invalid.
To be clear, I think bromances are really sweet, and so do most other women I know.

You know it’s primarily radical feminists referring to you as an “invader” right?