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Do they exist?

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Postby Bienenhalde » Thu May 09, 2019 7:16 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
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Hmm...If you like flat does that mean you would consider dating a male cross-dresser? :^)

Damn, just throwing yourself at him? Do you have any shame at all?


Oh dear :blink:...I did not mean it that way. To be absolutely clear, I realize Kowani and I would be a disaster as a couple since we disagree on so much. I was just wondering if maybe he had the same tastes I did, except in this case same-sex attraction seems to have complicated matters. :unsure:

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Postby Kowani » Thu May 09, 2019 7:53 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Kowani wrote:I’ve yet to fall in love with any girl who wasn’t flat, so…


Hmm...If you like flat does that mean you would consider dating a male cross-dresser? :^)

I missed this the first time around. I was quite happy that way. :lol2:

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Damn, just throwing yourself at him? Do you have any shame at all?


Oh dear :blink:...I did not mean it that way. To be absolutely clear, I realize Kowani and I would be a disaster as a couple since we disagree on so much. I was just wondering if maybe he had the same tastes I did, except in this case same-sex attraction seems to have complicated matters. :unsure:

Seriously. That would not end well.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu May 09, 2019 8:09 pm

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Postby New haven america » Thu May 09, 2019 8:33 pm

Kowani wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Hmm...If you like flat does that mean you would consider dating a male cross-dresser? :^)

I missed this the first time around. I was quite happy that way. :lol2:

Bienenhalde wrote:
Oh dear :blink:...I did not mean it that way. To be absolutely clear, I realize Kowani and I would be a disaster as a couple since we disagree on so much. I was just wondering if maybe he had the same tastes I did, except in this case same-sex attraction seems to have complicated matters. :unsure:

Seriously. That would not end well.

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Postby Des-Bal » Thu May 09, 2019 8:37 pm

The posited alpha-beta dynamic is a misundertanding of the hierarchy of a wolfpack being applied to human beings whose social dynamics are infinitely more complicated. It's like describing chess in terms of tic-tac-toe and also you don't know how to play tic-tac-toe.
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Postby Slotted Floppies » Thu May 09, 2019 11:32 pm

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Postby Grenartia » Fri May 10, 2019 3:48 am

Slotted Floppies wrote:I’m still here?
For real?


You know, if you're so despreate to leave and never be allowed to come back, instead of trolling everyone and wasting moderation's time, there's addons you can get for your browser that will prevent you from connecting to the site. Just saying.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri May 10, 2019 3:49 am

Slotted Floppies wrote:I’m still here?
For real?

Well there is this thing you can do. Its called leaving. So if you wana leave go on ahead you know how.
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Postby Alvecia » Fri May 10, 2019 4:45 am

IIRC, the whole alpha/beta behaviour doesn’t even actually occur in the canine species it’s often attributed to

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Postby Grenartia » Fri May 10, 2019 4:49 am

Alvecia wrote:IIRC, the whole alpha/beta behaviour doesn’t even actually occur in the canine species it’s often attributed to


This just in: 22% of NSG don't care about facts.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri May 10, 2019 6:34 am

Grenartia wrote:I have a suspicion the only reason any woman goes after them (other than the intimidation factor) is because society conditions them into thinking they are their "ideal" partners, in much the same way that society conditions men into thinking a blonde haired, blue eyed, lightly tanned, skimpily-clad woman with DD breasts is their "ideal" partner.


New age feminist bullshit aside, women prefer aggressive or dominant men because biology says so. And (apparently) only for short term relationships.

Alpha fucks, beta bucks is a phrase you lot should familiarise yourselves with.
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 10, 2019 1:36 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Grenartia wrote:I have a suspicion the only reason any woman goes after them (other than the intimidation factor) is because society conditions them into thinking they are their "ideal" partners, in much the same way that society conditions men into thinking a blonde haired, blue eyed, lightly tanned, skimpily-clad woman with DD breasts is their "ideal" partner.


New age feminist bullshit aside, women prefer aggressive or dominant men because biology says so. And (apparently) only for short term relationships.

Alpha fucks, beta bucks is a phrase you lot should familiarise yourselves with.

Actually, women's tastes tend to change depending on their time of the month, with them preferring to have stereotypically stronger and more masculine men during ovulation, and stereotypically weaker or less masculine men when they're not ovulating.

Now, when are you gonna stop complaining about women on the internet and go your own way?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri May 10, 2019 1:49 pm

Slotted Floppies wrote:I’m still here?
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Scramble your password and log out if ya want to leave so badly
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Postby Valentine Z » Fri May 10, 2019 5:27 pm

Short answer: No.

Slightly more evaluated: For the topic itself... I have heard of it before, but I don't think so? I mean, granted, there are people who tend to be a bit more bossy and just dominating towards everyone else, but it's not a hard category Alpha. It's just being called bossy, and that's about it. No one can be absolute Alphas where they rule over everything, or absolute Betas where they are meek over everything. It's a mixture, just like most things are in life.

A meek person can be put in-charge ("Alpha" by definition) and they can do wondrous things or lead well, and in the same way, a loud and boisterous person may not always have what it takes to lead.

Playing and averting the stereotypes, a muscular dude can be a timid sort of person, while a nerd can be an absolute dominator just because he knows his way around tech, or something to that effect.

As for non-humans like lions or other packs of animals, that might be another story. Like the alpha of a pack, or something to that effect.




If I'm wrong... then I most probably am. I'm not that knowledgeable with this topic, other than knowing that such terms exist in everyday usage.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 10, 2019 5:46 pm

Lol no. Based on a rather inaccurate interpretation of social dynamics between wolves, which is by no means applicable to humans.
For example, I will immediately stop being attracted to anyone who proclaims themselves an alpha male, and my general preference leans more towards skinny and nerdy guys (i.e. not "alphas").
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri May 10, 2019 5:50 pm

New haven america wrote:Actually, women's tastes tend to change depending on their time of the month, with them preferring to have stereotypically stronger and more masculine men during ovulation, and stereotypically weaker or less masculine men when they're not ovulating.


Because it correlates with whether or not their partner will harm the potential child. Fact is that despite whatever time of the month it is, women are biologically hardwired to be attracted to dominant or aggressive men, which was my point as Grenartia claimed it was "socialisiation".

Now, when are you gonna stop complaining about women on the internet and go your own way?


I would appreciate it if you didn't continue the harassment.
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Postby Valentine Z » Fri May 10, 2019 5:51 pm

Cekoviu wrote:Lol no. Based on a rather inaccurate interpretation of social dynamics between wolves, which is by no means applicable to humans.
For example, I will immediately stop being attracted to anyone who proclaims themselves an alpha male, and my general preference leans more towards skinny and nerdy guys (i.e. not "alphas").


Curious question from me: Does this Alpha-Beta thing, even if inaccurate, only exists for guys, or is there something equivalent to girls too?

Like The Queen Bee, sort of type.
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 10, 2019 5:57 pm

Valentine Z wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Lol no. Based on a rather inaccurate interpretation of social dynamics between wolves, which is by no means applicable to humans.
For example, I will immediately stop being attracted to anyone who proclaims themselves an alpha male, and my general preference leans more towards skinny and nerdy guys (i.e. not "alphas").


Curious question from me: Does this Alpha-Beta thing, even if inaccurate, only exists for guys, or is there something equivalent to girls too?

Like The Queen Bee, sort of type.

No, because the original study was really only done with male wolves.
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri May 10, 2019 6:01 pm

Similar thinking got the UK and Germany mired in WWII.

Entranced by Social Darwinism (a horrible perversion, Charles must be rolling over in his grave), they each wanted to prove they were the Alpha Nation. Survival of the fittest. There can be only one
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 10, 2019 6:32 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actually, women's tastes tend to change depending on their time of the month, with them preferring to have stereotypically stronger and more masculine men during ovulation, and stereotypically weaker or less masculine men when they're not ovulating.


1. Because it correlates with whether or not their partner will harm the potential child. Fact is that despite whatever time of the month it is, women are biologically hardwired to be attracted to dominant or aggressive men, which was my point as Grenartia claimed it was "socialisiation".

Now, when are you gonna stop complaining about women on the internet and go your own way?


2. I would appreciate it if you didn't continue the harassment.

1. Except that's not the case, as I've just pointed out.
2A. It's not harassment, it's a genuine question, B.. And the entire forum would appreciate you not turning every gender based thread into a discussion about why women are evil, gold digging harpies, but C'est la vie.
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 10, 2019 6:33 pm

New haven america wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
1. Because it correlates with whether or not their partner will harm the potential child. Fact is that despite whatever time of the month it is, women are biologically hardwired to be attracted to dominant or aggressive men, which was my point as Grenartia claimed it was "socialisiation".



2. I would appreciate it if you didn't continue the harassment.

1. Except that's not the case, as I've just pointed out.
2A. It's not harassment, it's a genuine question, B.. And the entire forum would appreciate you not turning every gender based thread into a discussion about why women are evil, gold digging harpies, but C'est la vie.

Woman here. I'm an evil, gold-digging harpy, so he's actually right. :P
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Postby New haven america » Fri May 10, 2019 6:37 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. Except that's not the case, as I've just pointed out.
2A. It's not harassment, it's a genuine question, B.. And the entire forum would appreciate you not turning every gender based thread into a discussion about why women are evil, gold digging harpies, but C'est la vie.

Woman here. I'm an evil, gold-digging harpy, so he's actually right. :P

Well yeah, that's par for the course on NSG.

You have no idea how hard it is to find a decent sugar mama, smh...
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Postby Valentine Z » Fri May 10, 2019 7:02 pm

New haven america wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Woman here. I'm an evil, gold-digging harpy, so he's actually right. :P

Well yeah, that's par for the course on NSG.

You have no idea how hard it is to find a decent sugar mama, smh...


I don't find sugar daddies or sugar mamas here... but I'm sure there are a lot of salt papas and salt mamas in NSG. :P
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Postby Cekoviu » Fri May 10, 2019 7:30 pm

Valentine Z wrote:
New haven america wrote:Well yeah, that's par for the course on NSG.

You have no idea how hard it is to find a decent sugar mama, smh...


I don't find sugar daddies or sugar mamas here...

Which is a travesty and we should do everything possible to rectify it. o7
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Postby Gormwood » Fri May 10, 2019 7:54 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:
I don't find sugar daddies or sugar mamas here...

Which is a travesty and we should do everything possible to rectify it. o7

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