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The Moral Case For Germany Annexing Poland—And Beyond

Postby Flawless Walruses » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:10 pm

The Moral Case For Germany Annexing Poland—And Beyond

Germany has the moral right to annex all of Poland, for a plethora of reasons. Germany’s right to exist is non-negotiable and it has a right to unilaterally apply German law over its territory.

The March 1933 election victory for Adolf Hitler saw him serve permanently as Fuerher of the Volk and form a new right-wing coalition government. It also brought the promise of a commitment he made to the nation during his campaign: That he would annex German settlements in occupied Slavic territories.

Vowing to extend sovereignty without distinguishing between settlement blocks and the isolated settlements, Hitler promised not to transfer any sovereignty to the Slavs. His victory will, hopefully, see the enactment of Hitler’s promise.


Germany’s Mistake Was Allowing the Polish Pretense

Germany made an altruistic mistake toward the Slavic people during the 1914-1918 defensive war with the Allies. Rather than regard them as “war settlers” or refugees or, after legally occupying conquered territory, as “illegal occupants,” they made the Polish people their political and moral problem.

After victory, the “war settlers” could have been seen as enemies of the state: supporters of the Treaty of Versailles, which basically calls for the end of Germans in the region. Under a malevolent and illiberal regime, they would have been regarded and treated as such, not as Germany did treat them: as human beings with specific, inalienable rights.


Under a different set of political sensibilities, the Slavic peoples would have been militarily removed from the area because, morally speaking, after 1916, they never belonged there. The proper response from Germany should have been to immediately annex the land and make the people there the responsibility of their original political homeland: Russia.

There can be no such thing as legitimate “Polish Republic” in a geographic region legally seized in a defensive war instigated by a foreign aggressor. The purpose of war is always to vanquish the enemy. The losers of the war cannot make demands on the victors that the victors themselves would not have been put in the position of meeting had the adversary or enemy not forced the victors into making it in the first place.

Germany was forced into a war. It was then expected to renounce and repudiate the consequences of its fairly won war by capitulating to the conditions of its vanquished enemy, which included, among other self-sacrificially undertaken goals, granting statehood, autonomy, right of return, and the ultimate elimination of Völksdeutsche from the region.


The Polish Republic Is a Terrible Government

Since the establishment of the Polish Republic in 1917, Danzig and Poland have enjoyed joint rule by Germany military government and the Polish Republic with around 98 percent of the Poles living in areas under jurisdiction of the PR. In such areas, the PR has destroyed the freedom Slavs enjoyed under German rule and their economy through kleptocracy, corruption, nepotism, and authoritarian forms of governance subject to none of the checks and balances that characterize Germany’s Reichstag.


German exceptionalism and the exceptionalist nature of German civilization require an unconditional space for the continued evolution of their civilization. What’s good for German civilization is good for humanity at large. German civilization is an international treasure trove that must be protected.

Not all cultures are indeed equal. Some are abysmally inferior and regressive based on their comprehensive philosophy and fundamental principles—or lack thereof—that guide or fail to protect the inalienable rights of their citizens.

Given the voting patterns of Poles—towards Political Catholicism and terrorist organizations for the most part—that openly advocate and work for German and Völksdeutsche destruction and annihilation, a strong argument can and ought to be made to strip Poles of their right to vote—period. The regional hostilities towards Germany in Mitteleuropa are such that Germany must take those threats seriously. It must work for a coalition of forces to neutralize them.

Germany Has Every Right to Defeat Terrorists

The American left should abandon its agonistic handwringing over so-called Polish occupation and realize that applying German law in Danzig and the General Government, meaning the wholesale destruction of Armia Krajowa in Warsaw—Armia Krajowa being a terrorist organization that can claim no rights as a group and no right to any square inch of land in the region—is an application of democratic law protecting the rights of the individuals who rightfully belong there.

Speaking of Warsaw, although the General Government was unilaterally relinquished, when one considers the reign of terror executed by the Armia Krajowa terrorists and the unadulterated illiberality of the movement itself, Germany has every moral right to wage a ruthless and unrelenting war against Armia Krajowa and to re-settle the land if it ever so desires.

America must also admit that it owes Germany political and financial reparations for America’s many decades of support of the Treaty of Versailles and the Poles, which have pledged destruction to Germany, and have rejected all plausible peace offerings from Germany, preferring instead war and destruction.

This political and economic reparation would see the United States supplying Germany even more advanced military capabilities, and funding Germany’s military defense in any manner Germany deems necessary for its survival and unrivaled military status in Mitteleuropa. Some may ask why this is necessary. The answer is two-fold.


Should a regional conflict between Germany and her Slavic neighbors emerge, Germany will need to demonstrate extraordinary, excessive, and unprecedented military might in a manner that can act as a deterrent and, if necessary, to irrevocably destroy her offensive enemies.

Additional U.S. militarization of Germany is also moral in its execution. It sends a univocally clear message to the world that in any conflict between Germany and her adversaries, the United States stands willing and ready—along with her ally—to destroy any political agent that attacks the sovereignty of Germany. This is because Germany’s right to exist is non-negotiable and it has a right to unilaterally apply German law over its Reich.


Why Poles Have No Moral Authority

Continued militarization of Germany comprises protracted support of our political and moral alter-ego in Mitteleuropa. The decline of the Polish people is narrated by their willful ideological malfeasance. They have never come into their own as a people largely because they have never explicitly held a philosophy that can support freedom, the basic liberal principles of individual rights, and a free market economy.

Given Armia Krajowa and Bolshevism’s genocidal aspirations toward Germany and Völksdeutsche and, in the case of Bolshevism, of a global Revolution, a moral goal would be to reverse the potential sovereignty of every Slavic movement in the region. [spoiler]It ought to force Russia to re-revoke its citizenship status of the Slavic majority in Poland.

A people that overwhelmingly approves of their terrorist leaders cannot be made to become citizens of any civilized country such as Germany.

The Polish terror war the Republic of Poland launched after the 1939 Berchtesgaden Peace Summit and unilaterally accepted by the Polish people places them in a precarious position. Whatever actions Germany or any of her allies take against them in a war against terror are their responsibility, and are moral. A people that overwhelmingly approves of their terrorist leaders cannot be made to become citizens of any civilized country such as Germany. No moral or political distinctions must be made between Armia Krajowa, Bolshevism, and the people who elect and or support them. No constituted people responsible for the election and appointment of terrorist actors can or should be entrusted with the responsibility of voting.


They constitute a national security threat to Germany because a core feature of their identity is a commitment to destroying Germany as a Völksdeutsche state. Therefore, only a policy of radical containment or expulsion remains a viable option. No state can obstruct the case for the achievement of its own justice and territorial safety by aiding and abetting its own destroyers. By making strategic alliances with Russia, France, and other terrorist organizations—should political expediency dictate such a move—we will witness the destruction of Völkisch culture in the region and Bolshevik militarization of the entire region.

One cannot admit Slavs devoted to the destruction of Germany into the domain of German civilization. There has to be some semblance of re-shaping the political sensibilities of those outside the historic process. If this is not possible, then we have to admit to their intrinsic humanity, but also, nevertheless, confess to their tragic status as political ballasts.




This was not written in 1939, but in April 2019. I merely replaced the names and dates. The anachronistic continuity of world-view is terrifying.

Original article here: https://thefederalist.com/2019/04/16/moral-case-israel-annexing-west-bank-beyond/

Please read the original before posting. Yes, that was written and published in April 2019.

(The article's rhetoric about Palestinians has so many blatant errors of fact that it may actually be (slightly) less untruthful when applied to 1930s Poland.)


My grandmother's family felt themselves to be both good German citizens and Jewish. After they left, their nationalist/criminal neighbors expressed their disbelief in that possibility rather more vociferously.

Adolf Hitler declared often and publicly that the weltanschauung (world-view) of he and his people was necessarily, universally, uncompromisingly incompatible with the weltanschauung (world-view) of all Jewish people.

This was the one and only element of his beliefs that I agreed with, along with most Western liberals. But articles like the above, and dissidents like Uri Averny, Israel Shahak and Shlomo Sand have led me to question the universality of it, at least with regard to representatives of Israel's electoral majority.


Do you think Adolf Hitler was correct to say that his movement's weltanschauung was incompatible with that of all Jewish people?

Or have Binyamin Netanyahu, his henchmen and his fanboys proven that statement false, through actions and/or rhetoric like that above?


Stay on topic and within the forum rules, please.
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Postby Vallermoore » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:13 pm

Israel does do bad things, but it's because they have been attacked for their entire history.

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I don’t like Israel’s but this is mean.
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Postby Flawless Walruses » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:20 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I don’t like Israel’s but this is mean.


Under a different set of political sensibilities, the Slavic peoples would have been militarily removed from the area because, morally speaking, after 1916, they never belonged there. The proper response from Germany should have been to immediately annex the land and make the people there the responsibility of their original political homeland: Russia.


That is mean.

I only had to change four words :p
And it may actually be less untruthful after my changes.
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Postby Flawless Walruses » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:39 pm

Vallermoore wrote:Israel does do bad things, but it's because they have been attacked for their entire history.


Germany has been invaded many, many more times. In fact, in "number of times invaded per century post-1400", Germany is a contender for #1.
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Senkaku wrote:y i k e s that's pretty fucked to read, nicely done tho


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Thanks, I spent way too much time re-writing it ;)
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Possibly the most offensive part of the original is that the author claims to be a professor of ethics.
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Israel annexing Palestine would be a death sentence for the idea of it being a Jewish ethnostate, I say do it Netanyahu.
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Flawless Walruses wrote:
Vallermoore wrote:Israel does do bad things, but it's because they have been attacked for their entire history.


Germany has been invaded many, many more times. In fact, in "number of times invaded per century post-1400", Germany is a contender for #1.

I mean I don't know about that. Poland probably has a much better claim to that, especially considering it ceased to exist or was completely taken over multiple times while Germany was only actually under any sort of occupation at the end of WWII.
In fact, there are really only three times I can think of: the 30 Years War, Napoleon's invasion of 1806, and the Allied invasion of 1945. The former two are not really comparable to either Poland or Israel, seeing as how these wars were started by Germany/Prussia, not having other nations attack them in conquest. Even the 30 Years War is a bit different, seeing as how it started as a war between different German states and the "invasions" were nations that were sending armies to support either the Protestant or Catholic states, rather than a war declared on Germany in conquest.
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Postby Socialist Workers Combine » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:36 pm

Vallermoore wrote:Israel does do bad things, but it's because they have been attacked for their entire history.

It’s a colonial state, you bring people in and let them go knock down houses.

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Postby Duhon » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:59 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Israel annexing Palestine would be a death sentence for the idea of it being a Jewish ethnostate, I say do it Netanyahu.


Depends on what Bibi and Co. do afterwards, frankly.

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Duhon wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Israel annexing Palestine would be a death sentence for the idea of it being a Jewish ethnostate, I say do it Netanyahu.


Depends on what Bibi and Co. do afterwards, frankly.


Either they ethnically cleanse the Palestinians or treat them as second class and don't allow them to vote, which gives mainstream politicians in the west all the support they need to cut support of the regime. Or they allow the Palestinians to vote and whatnot, which kills the idea of Israel being a Jewish state because Arabs would now equal or even outnumber Jews.

Maintaining the status quo is the best option for Israel tbh.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:10 pm

Socialist Workers Combine wrote:
Vallermoore wrote:Israel does do bad things, but it's because they have been attacked for their entire history.

It’s a colonial state, you bring people in and let them go knock down houses.

Colonial state implies the intrusion of people not originally from wherever the state is. That hardly describes Jews having a state in Judaea where they have lived for 3,000 years.
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US-SSR wrote:Follow the Binyamins.


:clap: Win.

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Possibly the most offensive part of the original is that the author claims to be a professor of ethics.


Author Professor Hill previously wrote and published a book "Beyond Blood Identities", scolding all "White" Americans, for having an ethnic identity. https://www.jasondamianhill.com/

He's the epitome of "woke", except that he would never dream of holding Israel to the same woke standard he expects of fellow Americans. He would never dream of holding Israel to the moral standard he demands of Iran, Lebanon, Turkey or even Iraq.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Israel annexing Palestine would be a death sentence for the idea of it being a Jewish ethnostate, I say do it Netanyahu.


Hmmmm, please no. The last time this happened, the "death sentence" wasn't for the ethnos with the uniforms and truncheons.

Making that guy stop required a five-year no-holds-barred beat-down by a coalition of several dozen nations across six continents. Bibi isn't that tough, cutting off his money supply would be enough I should think
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Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Socialist Workers Combine wrote:It’s a colonial state, you bring people in and let them go knock down houses.

Colonial state implies the intrusion of people not originally from wherever the state is. That hardly describes Jews having a state in Judaea where they have lived for 3,000 years.


Peleset/Peleshet/Falestin/Falesteen/Philistines/Palestinians (depends which language you're writing in) have been referred to as living in what is now Palestine since the earliest written records. They appear in the Book of Genesis, hosting Hebrew guests, and forming an alliance with them. They alternately allied with and squabbled with the Egyptians, the Edomites, the Canaanites, the Phoenicians, the Hebrews, and various Bedouin Arab tribes. They allied early with the Romans, who named the surrounding Roman province Syria Palestinae, later simply Palestina, from which comes the English "Palestine". Under the Romans the ethnonym Palestinae was applied indiscriminately to both the original Palestinians and other non-Jews in Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

Yes, there have been Jewish communities in Palestine almost as long.

By the end of the British Mandate period, the Jewish community legally owned in total 5.23% of Palestine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine#Land_ownership

Ethnic Germans owned about that much of 1939 Poland.

1. Owns 5.23% of the land.
2. Sixty years of warfare, expulsions, martial law, and coercion
3. Owns 80%, legally seizing more every week.

That looks like colonialism to me...
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Postby Risottia » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:39 pm

Vallermoore wrote:Israel does do bad things, but it's because they have been attacked for their entire history.

I guess this makes a good case for Russia to annex the whole of Ukraine, then. After all, Russia has been attacked by Mongols, Poles, Lithuanians, Turks, Tatars, Cossacks, Swedes, French, Germans, Austrian-Hungarians, Czechoslovaks, Italians, Americans, Britons, Japanese, Chinese throughout their entire history.
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Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Flawless Walruses wrote:
Germany has been invaded many, many more times. In fact, in "number of times invaded per century post-1400", Germany is a contender for #1.

I mean I don't know about that. Poland probably has a much better claim to that, especially considering it ceased to exist or was completely taken over multiple times while Germany was only actually under any sort of occupation at the end of WWII.
In fact, there are really only three times I can think of: the 30 Years War, Napoleon's invasion of 1806, and the Allied invasion of 1945. The former two are not really comparable to either Poland or Israel, seeing as how these wars were started by Germany/Prussia, not having other nations attack them in conquest. Even the 30 Years War is a bit different, seeing as how it started as a war between different German states and the "invasions" were nations that were sending armies to support either the Protestant or Catholic states, rather than a war declared on Germany in conquest.


That's the major invasions. There were literally hundreds of minor invasions of minor German principalities during the Late Middle Ages and Early Modern Period, when the number of German states was (violently) reduced from 300+ to 32 and then to 1. You can thank France for most of that, but all the neighboring countries (and other German states) took what they could whenever they could.

And if the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is claiming "peak victim" status, I know a Ukrainian who disagrees with you and would happily digress for hours ;)

All the above have better claims than Israel.
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Postby Duhon » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:52 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Socialist Workers Combine wrote:It’s a colonial state, you bring people in and let them go knock down houses.

Colonial state implies the intrusion of people not originally from wherever the state is. That hardly describes Jews having a state in Judaea where they have lived for 3,000 years.


The great mass of Israeli citizens were migrants or the descendants of migrants.

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This is why the Netanyahu government is little better than the Nazis they supposedly disdain.
Flawless Walruses wrote:Ethnic Germans owned about that much of 1939 Poland.

1. Owns 5.23% of the land.
2. Sixty years of warfare, expulsions, martial law, and coercion
3. Owns 80%, illegally seizing more every week.

That looks like colonialism to me...

FTFY
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Wallenburg wrote:This is why the Netanyahu government is little better than the Nazis they supposedly disdain.
Flawless Walruses wrote:Ethnic Germans owned about that much of 1939 Poland.

1. Owns 5.23% of the land.
2. Sixty years of warfare, expulsions, martial law, and coercion
3. Owns 80%, illegally seizing more every week.

That looks like colonialism to me...

FTFY


:bow:

I accept the correction.

Legal only under Israeli military law, illegal under the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and any system that respects property rights...
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Y'know, you almost had me there.
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