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Postby Katganistan » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:57 am

Watch out. I've been told by an anti-vaxxer (who was herself vaccinated and has had her kids vaccinated but NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO BE VACCINATED!!!!) that this is a slippery slope to FEMA concentration camps for Real Americans (tm),

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Postby Xmara » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:00 am

Katganistan wrote:Watch out. I've been told by an anti-vaxxer (who was herself vaccinated and has had her kids vaccinated but NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO BE VACCINATED!!!!) that this is a slippery slope to FEMA concentration camps for Real Americans (tm),

People still believe that? I thought that was just an Obama-era conspiracy theory.

I remember seeing that once on Facebook. I was young and naive, and it freaked me out. Fortunately my parents didn’t believe it and were able to talk some sense into me.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:09 am

Xmara wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Watch out. I've been told by an anti-vaxxer (who was herself vaccinated and has had her kids vaccinated but NO ONE SHOULD BE FORCED TO BE VACCINATED!!!!) that this is a slippery slope to FEMA concentration camps for Real Americans (tm),

People still believe that? I thought that was just an Obama-era conspiracy theory.

I remember seeing that once on Facebook. I was young and naive, and it freaked me out. Fortunately my parents didn’t believe it and were able to talk some sense into me.

As long as the patriotic Republican Party lets its guard down like they did in the 2018 mid-term elections, this is an on-going threat. The leftist elite at the Electoral College must be overthrown and the continuing stain of "free" elections must be expunged from America! We do not need Electors in this country, a secret cabal that ignores the Will of the People to put people in office who are trying to destroy the very fabric of our values and the fabric of our bodies with their poisonous vaccines!

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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:19 am

The public policy debate on vaccination should just talk and act past anti-vaxxers. Just ignore their noise altogether. They're worse than a dead weight as far as public health policy is concerned. Make vaccinations mandatory. And for heaven's sake, implement some universal health care that covers it all.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:20 am

Liriena wrote:The public policy debate on vaccination should just talk and act past anti-vaxxers. Just ignore their noise altogether. They're worse than a dead weight as far as public health policy is concerned. Make vaccinations mandatory. And for heaven's sake, implement some universal health care that covers it all.


This.

At this point, putting on some earmuffs and ignoring the anti-vaxxers is the best course.

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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:58 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Xmara wrote:People still believe that? I thought that was just an Obama-era conspiracy theory.

I remember seeing that once on Facebook. I was young and naive, and it freaked me out. Fortunately my parents didn’t believe it and were able to talk some sense into me.

As long as the patriotic Republican Party lets its guard down like they did in the 2018 mid-term elections, this is an on-going threat. The leftist elite at the Electoral College must be overthrown and the continuing stain of "free" elections must be expunged from America! We do not need Electors in this country, a secret cabal that ignores the Will of the People to put people in office who are trying to destroy the very fabric of our values and the fabric of our bodies with their poisonous vaccines!

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:24 am

It's actually not solely the anti-vaxxers fault this time. Long story short, LA and SF have a homeless epidemic, and homeless spread deceases. There's a typhus epidemic on Skid Row, and as homeless move from Skid Row to other environs, such as UCLA's VA Center, they take their deceases with them. Here's a noble idea: why don't we have a comprehensive policy to end homelessness, and take the money away from Union Pensions; it's ok, I think they can survive on $60,000 a year, I don't think they need all $120,000. Also, why not tax the developers and landlords who drive up the price of rental units, thus contributing to the homelessness epidemic? And yes, there really is a typhus outbreak on Skid Row.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:32 am

Also, friendly reminder that all those anti-vaxxer moms named Karen with their blogs and minivans...are vaccinated themselves.

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Postby Kaystein » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:32 am

Was there any mention in any source of the people being anti-vaxxers?
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Postby Purpelia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:46 am

Shofercia wrote:It's actually not solely the anti-vaxxers fault this time. Long story short, LA and SF have a homeless epidemic, and homeless spread deceases. There's a typhus epidemic on Skid Row, and as homeless move from Skid Row to other environs, such as UCLA's VA Center, they take their deceases with them. Here's a noble idea: why don't we have a comprehensive policy to end homelessness, and take the money away from Union Pensions; it's ok, I think they can survive on $60,000 a year, I don't think they need all $120,000. Also, why not tax the developers and landlords who drive up the price of rental units, thus contributing to the homelessness epidemic? And yes, there really is a typhus outbreak on Skid Row.

All the homeless in the world won't be a problem as far as diseases go if they are all forcefully vaccinated as children along with the rest of the population.

Not that solving homelessness is not a noble goal. Although I think you should take money from services that don't need it like the military as opposed to impoverishing the working class after they are too old to work.
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Postby Estanglia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:06 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Also, friendly reminder that all those anti-vaxxer moms named Karen with their blogs and minivans...are vaccinated themselves.


Oh the irony of the very thing saving them from easily preventable diseases that their kids may end up dying from is the very thing they hate with a passion.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:35 pm

There have been several measles outbreaks in the UK too. The main reason? The babies that were around when Andrew Wakefield started talking complete bollocks about vaccines and autism are now of university age...
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:52 pm

Page wrote:Maybe there ought to be a public health campaign targeted towards newly turned 18 year olds. "Did you have stupid fucking parents who didn't vaccinate you, it's not too late, get vaccinated!" Put it on MTV with a trendy dubstep song about how it sucks to have measles.

Or you just have mandatory vaccinations
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:55 pm

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Meanwhile Pakistan has halted its polio vaccination drive after a vaccination worker was shot dead. The third death linked to the campaign this week. Fake news spread on social media and hardline Islamists claiming the vaccination teams are cover for western spies are blamed for the hostility.

Actually the bit about western spies is grounded in some truth unfortunately. For decades the CIA would use vaccination drives as covers for many of their intel operations, that’s how they found Bin Ladin actually
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:56 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Azlaake wrote:UMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........................................
How about we just make vaccinations mandatory?????


And if someone refuses, they get jailed (or fined) and the kids go live with the other parent of foster until the parent is out of jail and ready to get vaccinated


Or you could just vaccinate the kids and let the whole family get on with their lives. Throwing people in jail does not improve anything.

The parents abused their children. That shouldn’t go unpunished
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Postby Loben » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:32 pm

A homeless problem? In California? The liberal utopia? The American soviet?

The grand poobah of bullshit? Satans own playground?

Nooooo...really?

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Postby Telconi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:37 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:The public policy debate on vaccination should just talk and act past anti-vaxxers. Just ignore their noise altogether. They're worse than a dead weight as far as public health policy is concerned. Make vaccinations mandatory. And for heaven's sake, implement some universal health care that covers it all.


This.

At this point, putting on some earmuffs and ignoring the anti-vaxxers is the best course.


That's generally not how democracy works though, people get to vote, no matter how stupid or selfish or against vaccination they are.
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Postby The Democratic Nation of Unovia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:45 pm

Mandatory vaccines, such as Measles, are mandatory for a reason...to keep people safe.
There are some voluntary vaccines, but the viruses that killed thousands and millions are nothing to mess around with.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:06 pm

Loben wrote:A homeless problem? In California? The liberal utopia? The American soviet?

The grand poobah of bullshit? Satans own playground?

Nooooo...really?

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:07 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Anti vaxxers, not even fucking once.


owo is it anti-anti-vaxxer cwusade time?

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Postby Telconi » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:32 pm

Liriena wrote:
Loben wrote:A homeless problem? In California? The liberal utopia? The American soviet?

The grand poobah of bullshit? Satans own playground?

Nooooo...really?

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Postby Nazbolshevia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:39 pm

I feel that imposing fines , such as in this example https://theweek.com/speedreads/835747/new-york-county-introduces-2000-fine-combat-spread-measles , sounds like a reasonable course of action . Quarantines also seem to be in order , yet seem to be facing successful legal challenges in the courts . From the article ,
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:20 pm

Purpelia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:It's actually not solely the anti-vaxxers fault this time. Long story short, LA and SF have a homeless epidemic, and homeless spread deceases. There's a typhus epidemic on Skid Row, and as homeless move from Skid Row to other environs, such as UCLA's VA Center, they take their deceases with them. Here's a noble idea: why don't we have a comprehensive policy to end homelessness, and take the money away from Union Pensions; it's ok, I think they can survive on $60,000 a year, I don't think they need all $120,000. Also, why not tax the developers and landlords who drive up the price of rental units, thus contributing to the homelessness epidemic? And yes, there really is a typhus outbreak on Skid Row.

All the homeless in the world won't be a problem as far as diseases go if they are all forcefully vaccinated as children along with the rest of the population.

Not that solving homelessness is not a noble goal. Although I think you should take money from services that don't need it like the military as opposed to impoverishing the working class after they are too old to work.


I don't consider dropping pensions from $120k to $60k as impoverishing workers, and the problem with homelessness is that most of them are not vaccinated as kids, well, at least one of the problems. They either have poor or mentally ill parents, and those aren't the best parents to get vaccines. I'm all for taking money form wasteful military programs, like the F-35, but I wouldn't take money from R&D.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:33 pm

Liriena wrote:The public policy debate on vaccination should just talk and act past anti-vaxxers. Just ignore their noise altogether. They're worse than a dead weight as far as public health policy is concerned. Make vaccinations mandatory. And for heaven's sake, implement some universal health care that covers it all.


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