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by Cossack Khanate » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:20 pm
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by TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:20 pm
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by Duhon » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:23 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
For the authorities maybe. The problem I’m seeing with this is that this could potentially be exploited by the unscrupulous for doxxing and blackmailing people.
The authorities can already track an IP address. This is basically a power grab on behalf of media types.
by Duhon » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:25 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Anonymity protects the user from retaliation and danger when he wrongs someone or says something "politically incorrect", among other things both petty and serious. It's the same reason we don't disclose individual donators to political campaigns. It protects the privacy and location of the user and is invaluable in that sense.
Besides, how would Austria enforce this on websites that are not hosted in Austria?
by The New California Republic » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:29 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:The New California Republic wrote:It could even be possible to make some comments while pretending to be someone else, with the intent of trying to smear said person. I don't see how such a thing could be prevented in the proposed system.
I’ve only looked at the proposal briefly but I agree with your take.
by Shrillland » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:29 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:Anonymity protects the user from retaliation and danger when he wrongs someone or says something "politically incorrect", among other things both petty and serious. It's the same reason we don't disclose individual donators to political campaigns. It protects the privacy and location of the user and is invaluable in that sense.
Besides, how would Austria enforce this on websites that are not hosted in Austria?
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:31 pm
by Torrocca » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:32 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:If I could raise a point here, wouldn't this disrupt the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?
By doing so lead to a cleaner and more pleasant internet and the breaking down of echo chambers? Thus leading to a much more smarter and happier populis able to reject convenient half truths in the name of ideology?(Image)
by Shrillland » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:32 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:If I could raise a point here, wouldn't this disrupt the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?
By doing so lead to a cleaner and more pleasant internet and the breaking down of echo chambers? Thus leading to a much more smarter and happier populis able to reject convenient half truths in the name of ideology?(Image)
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:34 pm
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC
by Outer Sparta » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:36 pm
by The New California Republic » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:38 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:How is this even possible to enforce? If the government knows your name is "Hans Zimmerman" but your online name is something else?
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:38 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:How is this even possible to enforce? If the government knows your name is "Hans Zimmerman" but your online name is something else?
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC
by Duhon » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:38 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I’ve only looked at the proposal briefly but I agree with your take.
Say for example someone uses my name and address (both of which are fairly easily obtainable nowadays) to create an account on a forum, with which they post links to terrorist material. When that shit is reported to the police, it would be nigh on impossible for me to prove conclusively that I'm innocent. It'd be impossible for the police to prove my guilt conclusively either, but the damage would already be done by that point; as I'd be getting interviewed by the police, and my employer would likely get wind of the whole thing and sack me, and my friends and family would be questioning whether I'm telling the truth or not; regardless of being entirely innocent.
by Shrillland » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:39 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:How is this even possible to enforce? If the government knows your name is "Hans Zimmerman" but your online name is something else?
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:41 pm
Torrocca wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:If I could raise a point here, wouldn't this disrupt the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?
By doing so lead to a cleaner and more pleasant internet and the breaking down of echo chambers? Thus leading to a much more smarter and happier populis able to reject convenient half truths in the name of ideology?
Counterpoint: Facebook.
Shrillland wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:If I could raise a point here, wouldn't this disrupt the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?
By doing so lead to a cleaner and more pleasant internet and the breaking down of echo chambers? Thus leading to a much more smarter and happier populis able to reject convenient half truths in the name of ideology?
The cost of people's privacy is too great to allow disruption in such a manner, no matter how it would improve or damage the internet.
by Outer Sparta » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:42 pm
Shrillland wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:How is this even possible to enforce? If the government knows your name is "Hans Zimmerman" but your online name is something else?
Just because you change your online name on a site doesn't mean your account changes completely. I'm guessing that's the principle to be applied.
by TURTLESHROOM II » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:58 pm
Duhon wrote:Less social credit, more indiscreet terror for those stepping out of line in today's regressing Austria.
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by Shrillland » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:02 pm
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:04 pm
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Counterpoint: Facebook.
Because there is a resistance to enforcing any sort of action on FB posts.
That's why they can't just take down anti vaxxer groups who spread misinformation and lies to the benefit of a few scam artists at the top. Also why calls to violence on facebook stay up.
Because no consequences. The hard truth is, consequences need to be doled out.Shrillland wrote:
The cost of people's privacy is too great to allow disruption in such a manner, no matter how it would improve or damage the internet.
It wouldn't just be an improved internet, it would be an improved democracy by disbanding echo chambers and increase society's ability to diagnose problems.
Kojima warned us, its either we have real names and consequences now or surender total freedom to an AI later.
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by Abarri » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:08 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:How is this even possible to enforce? If the government knows your name is "Hans Zimmerman" but your online name is something else?
It's impossible to enforce. This proposed law is created by people who clearly don't have the slightest fucking clue as to how the internet works.
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:16 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Because there is a resistance to enforcing any sort of action on FB posts.
That's why they can't just take down anti vaxxer groups who spread misinformation and lies to the benefit of a few scam artists at the top. Also why calls to violence on facebook stay up.
Because no consequences. The hard truth is, consequences need to be doled out.
It wouldn't just be an improved internet, it would be an improved democracy by disbanding echo chambers and increase society's ability to diagnose problems.
Kojima warned us, its either we have real names and consequences now or surender total freedom to an AI later.
Consequences that potentially put you at risk with your personal information? Are you seriously suggesting this is an acceptable consequence of the potential implementation of such a proposal? I understand the desire to get those who post hate speech but this can easily lend itself to abuse and can put innocent people at risk. Think this through.
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