New Mexico militia's detaining migrants.

[The South Falls]

Someone who was part of the militia was arrested.

Okay, and....?

I guess news outlets are really scraping the bottom of the barrel for stories now that the Mueller Report is over with.

I mean, the militia is newsworthy, it's a leader was arrested, no?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Okay, and....?

I guess news outlets are really scraping the bottom of the barrel for stories now that the Mueller Report is over with.

Haven't you been listening to the President? There's a crisis at the border, apparently. Huge crisis, worst ever.

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I oppose this arrest and I think I'm heavily in favor of what this militia group is doing. The border patrol doesn't do a good job, because if they did- few to no people would be able to get across. What I'd aspire the US to have, is something akin to Soviet border guards. Actual militarization of the frontier.

You want a nearly 70 year old felon protecting America?

What have previous felon convictions got to do with anything?

[Elwher]

I oppose this arrest and I think I'm heavily in favor of what this militia group is doing. The border patrol doesn't do a good job, because if they did- few to no people would be able to get across. What I'd aspire the US to have, is something akin to Soviet border guards. Actual militarization of the frontier.

You think people should be allowed to falsely claim to be government agents?

Also who is going to pay for all that?

First, the arrest was for a firearms violation, not for the activities of the militia; and second, he never claimed to be a Federal agent this time. That was part of his previous conviction.

[Kowani]

Haven't you been listening to the President? There's a crisis at the border, apparently. Huge crisis, worst ever.

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You want a nearly 70 year old felon protecting America?

What have previous felon convictions got to do with anything?

I believe the 70 year old part is more relevant.

[Telconi]

What have previous felon convictions got to do with anything?

I believe the 70 year old part is more relevant.

Well that's just ageist of you.

[Blueflarst]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48000774

US authorities have arrested an alleged member of a militia that has been stopping migrants trying to cross the US-Mexico border.

Larry Mitchell Hopkins, 69, was detained in New Mexico as a felon in possession of a weapon.

It comes just days after a video emerged of militia members detaining dozens of migrants in the desert.

The group, United Constitutional Patriots, has been condemned by civil rights groups and local officials.

United Constitutional Patriots, a small volunteer group, argues it is helping US Border Patrol to deal with a surge in migrants crossing America's southern border. It is one of several militias operating in the region.

As details of this week's latest video emerged, New Mexico governor Michelle Lujan Grisham said on Twitter that "menacing or threatening migrant families and asylum seekers is absolutely unacceptable and must cease".

US Customs and Border Protection have previously said they are opposed to civilians patrolling the border in search of illegal crossers.

So, it appears that there are militias working on the US border, kidnapping people who crossed the border and detaining them until actual law enforcement can arrive.

This is of course a flagrant example of vigilante justice. These people do not have the legal authority to detain people. They lack any kind of oversight, cannot be held accountable via elections or by elected officials, and basically gain their authority just by buying guns. It's a clear violation of US law. Even if you agree that they are doing it for a good cause, which is highly debatable, you cannot claim that what they are doing is right.

In my opinion, the US should crack down hard on these militias, whenever they so flagrantly violate the law. Having armed gangs imposing their own will on people in your country is the sign of a war-torn developing country, not something you'd want to find in one of the most developed countries on earth.

So, what is your opinion, NSG? Are these batmen and women justified in what they do?

This type of militia must be encouraged they are a boost to the public order without payment, in Blueflarst cowboys drag illegal inmigrants to the frontier without need of state intervention. I do not see where is the problem on rightful people doing the things where the state can not reach. You are just an scared liberal worried more about his life and the illegal inmigrants than for havin things done

[Greater vakolicci haven]

What have previous felon convictions got to do with anything?

I believe the 70 year old part is more relevant.

America has a 72 year old president. If it's to do with his physical capabilities, if he can still do his bit, why not allow him to do it?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48000774





So, it appears that there are militias working on the US border, kidnapping people who crossed the border and detaining them until actual law enforcement can arrive.

This is of course a flagrant example of vigilante justice. These people do not have the legal authority to detain people. They lack any kind of oversight, cannot be held accountable via elections or by elected officials, and basically gain their authority just by buying guns. It's a clear violation of US law. Even if you agree that they are doing it for a good cause, which is highly debatable, you cannot claim that what they are doing is right.

In my opinion, the US should crack down hard on these militias, whenever they so flagrantly violate the law. Having armed gangs imposing their own will on people in your country is the sign of a war-torn developing country, not something you'd want to find in one of the most developed countries on earth.

So, what is your opinion, NSG? Are these batmen and women justified in what they do?

This type of militia must be encouraged they are a boost to the public order without payment, in Blueflarst cowboys drag illegal inmigrants to the frontier without need of state intervention. I do not see where is the problem on rightful people doing the things where the state can not reach. You are just an scared liberal worried more about his life and the illegal inmigrants than for havin things done

No, In Blueflarst nobody does anything, because Blueflarst doesn't exist. NSG is entirely OOC.

[Kowani]

I believe the 70 year old part is more relevant.

America has a 72 year old president. If it's to do with his physical capabilities, if he can still do his bit, why not allow him to do it?

Unreliability?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

America has a 72 year old president. If it's to do with his physical capabilities, if he can still do his bit, why not allow him to do it?

Unreliability?

Got a source he'll be definitely more unreliable than a 30 year old?

[East Germanic Countries]

They're just doing their civic duty to the USA.

[Ifreann]

Haven't you been listening to the President? There's a crisis at the border, apparently. Huge crisis, worst ever.

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You want a nearly 70 year old felon protecting America?

What have previous felon convictions got to do with anything?

He's clearly a danger to the public.

Do recall that most people value being alive and uninjured.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Larry Mitchell Hopkins, 69, was detained in New Mexico as a felon in possession of a weapon.

90% sure you are just fucking with our heads.

[The South Falls]

They're just doing their civic duty to the USA.

They are doing it illegally tho.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Okay, and....?

I guess news outlets are really scraping the bottom of the barrel for stories now that the Mueller Report is over with.

Haven't you been listening to the President? There's a crisis at the border, apparently. Huge crisis, worst ever.

No.

However, I did hear when Kevin K. McAleenan, the commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Patrol Protection said that an "unprecedented crisis" was in the works all along the entirety of the southern border.

You think people should be allowed to falsely claim to be government agents?

I fail to see anywhere in the linked article where he, or anyone, did what you are claiming here. Thought don't let pesky little facts get in the way of your well trodden and worn narrative Vass.

I mean, the militia is newsworthy, it's a leader was arrested, no?

I view it as about as newsworthy as any other countless arrests made daily of previous felons in violation of that particular law. The only reason why the news is even pushing it is because it fits whatever agenda they wish to push today.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

What have previous felon convictions got to do with anything?

He's clearly a danger to the public.

Do recall that most people value being alive and uninjured.

Not everyone with a felony conviction is 'a danger to the public.'

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I believe the 70 year old part is more relevant.

America has a 72 year old president. If it's to do with his physical capabilities, if he can still do his bit, why not allow him to do it?

A great point against ageism - being more than 70 years old doesn't stop a delusional idiot from committing felonies while claiming he's making America safer while really just stroking his own ego, and it hasn't stopped that militia guy either.

[Kowani]

As I've said. If you're just asking migrants to stay, and calling border patrol, fine. But if you are forcibly holding them, that is kidnapping.

Well, no.
Unlawful detention, or something like that.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

America has a 72 year old president. If it's to do with his physical capabilities, if he can still do his bit, why not allow him to do it?

A great point against ageism - being more than 70 years old doesn't stop a delusional idiot from committing felonies while claiming he's making America safer while really just stroking his own ego, and it hasn't stopped that militia guy either.

Source that Trump has committed felonies?

[Paddy O Fernature]

He's clearly a danger to the public.

Do recall that most people value being alive and uninjured.

Not everyone with a felony conviction is 'a danger to the public.'

Agreed.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

As I've said. If you're just asking migrants to stay, and calling border patrol, fine. But if you are forcibly holding them, that is kidnapping.

Well, no.
Unlawful detention, or something like that.

Are they preventing them from leaving completely or are they perfectly free to go back across the border?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Not everyone with a felony conviction is 'a danger to the public.'

Agreed.

Not that anybody, at all, should be barred from holding a gun, for any reason.

[The Two Jerseys]

They're just doing their civic duty to the USA.

They are doing it illegally tho.

The fact that they haven't been arrested for it says differently.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Agreed.

Not that anybody, at all, should be barred from holding a gun, for any reason.

Respectfully disagree with this point of order GVH.

[Ifreann]

Haven't you been listening to the President? There's a crisis at the border, apparently. Huge crisis, worst ever.

No.

However, I did hear when Kevin K. McAleenan, the commissioner of U.S. Customs and Border Patrol Protection said that an "unprecedented crisis" was in the works all along the entirety of the southern border.

So you understand why criminal gangs operating on the border are newsworthy. They're going to exacerbate this unprecedented crisis.

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He's clearly a danger to the public.

Do recall that most people value being alive and uninjured.

Not everyone with a felony conviction is 'a danger to the public.'

This man clearly is.