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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Novus America
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Postby Novus America » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:11 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
It is not very accomodating to making a buffet out of your beliefs and morals, true.

What's wrong with picking and choosing various beliefs from various belief systems?


Nothing. Because none of us knows what is the single perfect system, assuming such a thing even can exist, we can only try to make things better the best we can.
Because all human belief systems are almost certainly flawed, there is nothing wrong with taking the best parts of different ones to try to make a less flawed system.
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Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:13 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:So I decided, based on an earlier hypothetical, to run a game of Europa Universalis IV with our different societies as custom nations with their own heads of state, traditions, and forms of government based on each person's ideals. Because Conserative Morality would want to resurrect the ideals of the Republic and demonize its enemies, his form of government is American Republic, while the more militant and autocratic Oil Exporting Peoples runs a tribal despotist state.

The only thing I regret is that certain government types (regardless of whether I play the custom nation) are locked off. I couldn't make my own a daimyo because it wasn't located in Japan, and while I wanted to give Fahran and WRA's Firearms Association the government type “Pirate Republic,” it wouldn't let me through a lack of DLC. But it's a minor gripe at worst.

For once, Genivaria, you were included. Bad news: in Florida.



This was just a test run, hence why I didn't include a lot of people, and why their nations aren't all in the right place. First things first, actually learn where US states are located.


>TFW Geni's in Florida
>TFW I'm not despite being perhaps the closest to Mickey Mouse both physically and spiritually

Feels bad ;~;
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:14 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
You realize I'm speaking against Sharia slavery, right?

It is a shame Christians didn't regulate slavery as well.


I think it's evident that regulation hasn't stopped atrocities and cruelty in slavery.

Hell, allegedly, there were laws for the protection of black slaves, but masters often made it so it was impossible for their slaves to receive legal help.
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:15 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:So I decided, based on an earlier hypothetical, to run a game of Europa Universalis IV with our different societies as custom nations with their own heads of state, traditions, and forms of government based on each person's ideals. Because Conserative Morality would want to resurrect the ideals of the Republic and demonize its enemies, his form of government is American Republic, while the more militant and autocratic Oil Exporting Peoples runs a tribal despotist state.

The only thing I regret is that certain government types (regardless of whether I play the custom nation) are locked off. I couldn't make my own a daimyo because it wasn't located in Japan, and while I wanted to give Fahran and WRA's Firearms Association the government type “Pirate Republic,” it wouldn't let me through a lack of DLC. But it's a minor gripe at worst.

For once, Genivaria, you were included. Bad news: in Florida.



This was just a test run, hence why I didn't include a lot of people, and why their nations aren't all in the right place. First things first, actually learn where US states are located.


>TFW Geni's in Florida
>TFW I'm not despite being perhaps the closest to Mickey Mouse both physically and spiritually

Feels bad ;~;


What are you talking about, you're a cat. If you were close to Mickey Mouse, you'd probably eat him.
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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:16 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Salus Maior, does Christian slavery an equivalent to a mukaatabah?


Why are you citing Islam having an ok form of extortion as a good thing?
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:17 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>TFW Geni's in Florida
>TFW I'm not despite being perhaps the closest to Mickey Mouse both physically and spiritually

Feels bad ;~;


What are you talking about, you're a cat. If you were close to Mickey Mouse, you'd probably eat him.


The Mouse has powers not meant for the faint of heart, AKA non-Floridians.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:19 pm

Grenartia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Salus Maior, does Christian slavery an equivalent to a mukaatabah?


Why are you citing Islam having an ok form of extortion as a good thing?

>looks up
Mukaatabah =/= extortion
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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:19 pm

I have come to the realization that right-wing watch is one of the greatest fifth columns in existence. They serve at the behest of right-wing interests by giving them free advertising, and causing the mainstream culture to kvetch. Such as the current example with the rainbow flag being labeled a racial separatist flag.
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:19 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
What are you talking about, you're a cat. If you were close to Mickey Mouse, you'd probably eat him.


The Mouse has powers not meant for the faint of heart, AKA non-Floridians.

You’re an anarchist. Disney represents just about every corporate failure possible. In what world would you think giving you their mascot would be a good idea?
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Hanafuridake
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:20 pm

Grenartia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Salus Maior, does Christian slavery an equivalent to a mukaatabah?


Why are you citing Islam having an ok form of extortion as a good thing?


Because he doesn't care about facts or honesty, and he thinks we're all stupid enough to fall for his antics.
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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:21 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
It is not very accommodating to making a buffet out of your beliefs and morals, true.

What's wrong with picking and choosing various beliefs from various belief systems?

You can do that so long as the belief systems at their core contradict each other greatly. I mean sure there is an argument to be made ascetic practices might have been influenced by traders coming from India, but Christian monks undoubtedly believe in a creator deity, unlike Buddhism which doesn't have one.
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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:21 pm

Kowani wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The Mouse has powers not meant for the faint of heart, AKA non-Floridians.

You’re an anarchist. Disney represents just about every corporate failure possible. In what world would you think giving you their mascot would be a good idea?

According to Shariah, the mouse must be killed, and his wealth distributed amongst the Ummah.
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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:21 pm

Kowani wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The Mouse has powers not meant for the faint of heart, AKA non-Floridians.

You’re an anarchist. Disney represents just about every corporate failure possible. In what world would you think giving you their mascot would be a good idea?

Disney failed the moment Disney, and his brother was out of the picture to be fair.
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The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:21 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
It is not very accomodating to making a buffet out of your beliefs and morals, true.

What's wrong with picking and choosing various beliefs from various belief systems?

Because that is coforming your beliefs to you rather than vice versa.
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7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:22 pm

Benuty wrote:I have come to the realization that right-wing watch is one of the greatest fifth columns in existence. They serve at the behest of right-wing interests by giving them free advertising, and causing the mainstream culture to kvetch. Such as the current example with the rainbow flag being labeled a racial separatist flag.

What are you talking about?
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Benuty
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Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:22 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kowani wrote:You’re an anarchist. Disney represents just about every corporate failure possible. In what world would you think giving you their mascot would be a good idea?

According to Shariah, the mouse must be killed, and his wealth distributed amongst the Ummah.

Well, who exactly is going to execute such a massive distribution? We are talking about a private entity that owns Florida alongside Publix.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:23 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kowani wrote:You’re an anarchist. Disney represents just about every corporate failure possible. In what world would you think giving you their mascot would be a good idea?

According to Shariah, the mouse must be killed, and his wealth distributed amongst the Ummah.

Dude stop this is getting cringy lol.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:24 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:According to Shariah, the mouse must be killed, and his wealth distributed amongst the Ummah.

Dude stop this is getting cringy lol.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:24 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What's wrong with picking and choosing various beliefs from various belief systems?

Because that is coforming your beliefs to you rather than vice versa.

That statement makes no sense whatsoever.
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Benuty
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
Benuty wrote:I have come to the realization that right-wing watch is one of the greatest fifth columns in existence. They serve at the behest of right-wing interests by giving them free advertising and causing the mainstream culture to kvetch. Such as the current example with the rainbow flag being labeled a racial separatist flag.

What are you talking about?

Right wing watch is a site that used to go after boomers making controversial statements about rape, and hell. They swallowed the black pill, and started reporting on everything from the ok hand sign being a white supremacist to memes being a vehicle to extremism. I recall an article somewhere that because 4chan was co-opting the rainbow to represent society as perfect when racially segregated. Suffice it to say people were reeing about it, and then you have the honk meme representing the absurdity of our clown world.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:25 pm

Kowani wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The Mouse has powers not meant for the faint of heart, AKA non-Floridians.

You’re an anarchist. Disney represents just about every corporate failure possible. In what world would you think giving you their mascot would be a good idea?


YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SORT OF DARK POWERS THE MOUSE HOLDS IN THESE LANDS.

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:25 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:Why is the nature of Christian morality so incredibly personal and arbitary instead of blatant and mostly.understood the same by everyone? Seems like even years of scholarship aren't enough to have a fine grasp of it.


It's not arbitrary.

The argument between me and UMN is evident of the diverging schools of thought between Eastern Christendom and Western Christendom.

Western Christendom, which I am, believes that war can be just. Eastern Christendom does not believe in just wars, and that soldiers commit sins if they go to war, and that is where UMN is coming from.
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Benuty
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kowani wrote:You’re an anarchist. Disney represents just about every corporate failure possible. In what world would you think giving you their mascot would be a good idea?


YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT SORT OF DARK POWERS THE MOUSE HOLDS IN THESE LANDS.

help

The mouse practically owns Florida because California has no redeeming qualities. Outside of Silicon Valley who the hell wants to own California?
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Bienenhalde
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:27 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
It is not very accomodating to making a buffet out of your beliefs and morals, true.

What's wrong with picking and choosing various beliefs from various belief systems?


You would probably come up with either an incoherent mess, self-serving sophistry, or both.

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Yusseria
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Ex-Nation

Postby Yusseria » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:27 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Yusseria wrote:You certainly seemed to insinuate it before with your drone comment. Don't backpedal now.


Evidently, when I said drone, I wasn't referring to the physical machine that launches missiles, but instead referring to people as mindless toys of the state.

Yeah... I kind of already knew that... that's why I said what I said.
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