Cultural Appropriation?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

A good deal of it (English language, founding myths, heritage, cultural attitudes, food, dress, etc.), and it's regularly "appropriated" often in joking/mocking/satirical ways around the world.

Europeans often throw American-themed parties where people dress up like this.

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Again, who cares?

That is actually disrespectful to the flag but ok.

You are implying that they care to begin with.

[The Blaatschapen]

A good deal of it (English language, founding myths, heritage, cultural attitudes, food, dress, etc.), and it's regularly "appropriated" often in joking/mocking/satirical ways around the world.

Europeans often throw American-themed parties where people dress up like this.

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Again, who cares?

That is actually disrespectful to the flag but ok.

Indeed.

Some of those people are kneeling.

[Andsed]

No it’s really not.

Yes, it is. Also, if you look closer, there is a women doing a hitler salute.

How is that any more disrespectful than what Americans do with the flag? Also I looked there is not a Hitler salute in there.

[Bruzenland]

I insist, Cultural Appropiation is a great indicator that we've hit rock bottom.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

How is that any more disrespectful than what Americans do with the flag? Also I looked there is not a Hitler salute in there.

American ultranationalists are hypocrites and frequently disrespect the flag.

[Andsed]

How is that any more disrespectful than what Americans do with the flag? Also I looked there is not a Hitler salute in there.

American ultranationalists are hypocrites and frequently disrespect the flag.

Okay? And? Because it just seems to me this is just looking for something to be offended by.

[Bruzenland]

How is that any more disrespectful than what Americans do with the flag? Also I looked there is not a Hitler salute in there.

American ultranationalists are hypocrites and frequently disrespect the flag.

As hypocrites like the left who advocate for free speech only if it's aligned with their own point of view? Also, how come an ultranationalist will disrespect their flag? An ultranationalist will see their flag as the most sacred thing in the entire history of the universe, they will not disrespect their flag; because an ultranationalist is a zealot. If you see a supposed "ultranationalist" who is disrespecting their flag, that's just polìtical prosecution and probably not an ultranationalist.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

As hypocrites like the left who advocate for free speech only if it's aligned with their own point of view? Also, how come an ultranationalist will disrespect their flag? An ultranationalist will see their flag as the most sacred thing in the entire history of the universe, they will not disrespect their flag; because an ultranationalist is a zealot. If you see a supposed "ultranationalist" who is disrespecting their flag, that's just polìtical prosecution and probably not an ultranationalist.

Well actually, I’m an economic centrist and I advocate free speech in every situation.

[Bruzenland]

As hypocrites like the left who advocate for free speech only if it's aligned with their own point of view? Also, how come an ultranationalist will disrespect their flag? An ultranationalist will see their flag as the most sacred thing in the entire history of the universe, they will not disrespect their flag; because an ultranationalist is a zealot. If you see a supposed "ultranationalist" who is disrespecting their flag, that's just polìtical prosecution and probably not an ultranationalist.

Well actually, I’m an economic centrist and I advocate free speech in every situation.

Good for you, too bad you advocate also for the death of logic and reason by believing in Cultural Appropriation, but hey, whatever rocks your boat man, more power to ya

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Good for you, too bad you advocate also for the death of logic and reason by believing in Cultural Appropriation, but hey, whatever rocks your boat man, more power to ya

Too bad you advocate the death of facts and logic by assuming that I do.

[Bruzenland]

A good deal of it (English language, founding myths, heritage, cultural attitudes, food, dress, etc.), and it's regularly "appropriated" often in joking/mocking/satirical ways around the world.

Europeans often throw American-themed parties where people dress up like this.

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Again, who cares?

That is actually disrespectful to the flag but ok.

Got ya! you sneaky weasel!

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Got ya! you sneaky weasel!

I said it was disrespectful, regardless of who did it. I didn’t say that only Americans can do it or that the FBI should go after anyone who flies the flag the wrong way. A simple statement saying that treating the flag like that is bad doesn’t have anything to do with cultural appropriation.

Got ya! you lying snake!

[Bruzenland]

Got ya! you sneaky weasel!

I said it was disrespectful, regardless of who did it. I didn’t say that only Americans can do it or that the FBI should go after anyone who flies the flag the wrong way. A simple statement saying that treating the flag like that is bad doesn’t have anything to do with cultural appropriation.

Got ya! you lying snake!

You got me

[Sicaris]

Ok, I'll ask the same question, what aspects of American culture do you feel are important to you? Have value to you? I.e. help define you AS an American?

A good deal of it (English language, founding myths, heritage, cultural attitudes, food, dress, etc.), and it's regularly "appropriated" often in joking/mocking/satirical ways around the world.

Europeans often throw American-themed parties where people dress up like this.

Again, who cares?

That’s against the flag code reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

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You got me

Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EIph0BJNrxo

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Benny Goodman is an American. Americans can be of any race.

/Thread.

To be honest though cultural appropriation is a joke in and of itself.

[Herador]

Benny Goodman is an American. Americans can be of any race.

/Thread.

To be honest though cultural appropriation is a joke in and of itself.

I keep seeing this and it's really unfortunate. It isn't a joke, it's just an academic term describing a thing every culture does when interacting with another culture that was co-opted by teens doing what teens do and rebelling against whatever they can rebel against. Don't hate on the term because teens are gonna be teens.

[Jello Biafra]

I just returned from a performance by the BPO of Arron Copland's Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra with Anthony McGill as the featured clarinetist. It was excellent. However, a random thought passed my mind while enjoying it.

Copland, a white man, wrote this piece for Benny Goodman, another white man. Should the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra be condemned for cultural appropriation by featuring a Black clarinetist in such a piece, despite the fact that he was excellent? After all, this was a piece written by a white man for a white performer.

For those who believe that cultural appropriation is a thing, and wrong, is this an example of it? If no, why not?

No, this is not an example of it, because, even if you could actually argue that 'white' is a culture, the Concerto was something given away freely by that culture for other cultures to use. A similar example would be an Asian person making tacos.

[Ors Might]

I just returned from a performance by the BPO of Arron Copland's Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra with Anthony McGill as the featured clarinetist. It was excellent. However, a random thought passed my mind while enjoying it.

Copland, a white man, wrote this piece for Benny Goodman, another white man. Should the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra be condemned for cultural appropriation by featuring a Black clarinetist in such a piece, despite the fact that he was excellent? After all, this was a piece written by a white man for a white performer.

For those who believe that cultural appropriation is a thing, and wrong, is this an example of it? If no, why not?

No, this is not an example of it, because, even if you could actually argue that 'white' is a culture, the Concerto was something given away freely by that culture for other cultures to use. A similar example would be an Asian person making tacos.

I have to question how a culture would give something away freely for others to use. One can’t exactly give an entire culture a survey to fill out to see if they agree to it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I just returned from a performance by the BPO of Arron Copland's Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra with Anthony McGill as the featured clarinetist. It was excellent. However, a random thought passed my mind while enjoying it.

Copland, a white man, wrote this piece for Benny Goodman, another white man. Should the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra be condemned for cultural appropriation by featuring a Black clarinetist in such a piece, despite the fact that he was excellent? After all, this was a piece written by a white man for a white performer.

For those who believe that cultural appropriation is a thing, and wrong, is this an example of it? If no, why not?

Just for having a black man play the clarinet? I doubt that counts as cultural appropriation. Should we condemn Eminem and Elvis Presley for participating in music genres that were or are considered mostly black music? Should we condemn any orchestra that has a black pianist who dares play Beethoven since Beethoven was white?

[Pope Joan]

Elvia and Jerry Lee Lewis were part of that culture; it was what you listened to and danced to in Tupelo, and Memphis.

They did not have much else to fall back on. so that was their culture.

Then the irony becomes that of black culture acculturating poor whites who then are forbidden to enjoy that culture but must adopt a white culture that has rejected them

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

I just returned from a performance by the BPO of Arron Copland's Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra with Anthony McGill as the featured clarinetist. It was excellent. However, a random thought passed my mind while enjoying it.

Copland, a white man, wrote this piece for Benny Goodman, another white man. Should the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra be condemned for cultural appropriation by featuring a Black clarinetist in such a piece, despite the fact that he was excellent? After all, this was a piece written by a white man for a white performer.

For those who believe that cultural appropriation is a thing, and wrong, is this an example of it? If no, why not?

This is not cultural appropriation.

If you want to see real, actual cultural appropriation then you need to look at North Macedonia; a country which wrongfully claims descent from a great civilization that it did not originate from.

[Katganistan]

I just returned from a performance by the BPO of Arron Copland's Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra with Anthony McGill as the featured clarinetist. It was excellent. However, a random thought passed my mind while enjoying it.

Copland, a white man, wrote this piece for Benny Goodman, another white man. Should the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra be condemned for cultural appropriation by featuring a Black clarinetist in such a piece, despite the fact that he was excellent? After all, this was a piece written by a white man for a white performer.

For those who believe that cultural appropriation is a thing, and wrong, is this an example of it? If no, why not?

Pretty sure it's not. It's music that does not have a religious significance, and I am pretty sure Goodman performed with musicians of color.

I would say that cultural appropriation is only when people take something that has a religious significance or cultural significance and wear them despite their doing so being disrespectful to the people it came from. Wearing am article of clothing with passages from the Quran printed on it would be tasteless cultural appropriation. Wearing a Native American warbonnet when one has not, in fact, been involved in the spiritual, ritual and/or political events that lead to it being awarded is cultural appropriation. It's insulting and tasteless.

I do not think it is cultural appropriation to by handcrafts from someone within that culture and then wear/display them. I do think people who are NOT from the culture and create replicas of crafts/clothes/whatever to sell are slimy for essentially profiting off a culture they are not part of and, by virtue of selling their goods, taking money from native artisans.

Especially in the case of Native Americans, where so much of their history has been struggling to survive against the people who poisoned them, shoved them off the best land into reservations, and tried to eradicate their language and culture in their children, it is at best naively crass and at worst malignantly indifferent to dress up as braves and squaws at Halloween.

[Herador]

No, this is not an example of it, because, even if you could actually argue that 'white' is a culture, the Concerto was something given away freely by that culture for other cultures to use. A similar example would be an Asian person making tacos.

I have to question how a culture would give something away freely for others to use. One can’t exactly give an entire culture a survey to fill out to see if they agree to it.

I'd argue that no one individual gets a say in this, it's sort of group cultural marketing. People "appropriate" European and American customs all the time because both of those cultural groups spread their cultures in some regards. Japan is working that way too, Anime is a huge cultural export and they work on exporting their culture in other ways too, one could argue that J and K Pop are cultural exporting to some degree. But this all rounds back around to "Cultural Appropriation" not being an inherently negative thing, just a term people can use to describe one culture incorporating elements of another.

This is not cultural appropriation.

If you want to see real, actual cultural appropriation then you need to look at North Macedonia; a country which wrongfully claims descent from a great civilization that it did not originate from.

This is an excellent example (in my opinion) of cultural appropriation being a negative. Contrasted with people dressing up in Kimono's or getting a Hena on their arms which, if you don't try and deliberately be a fucking chode about it, is a neutral form of appropriation.

[Katganistan]

a. There's nothing wrong with using and reinterpreting anything even if it's important to certain people, it's just whiny SJWs..
b. OMFG! they remade Ghostbusters with FEMALES!.. attaaaaack...

Don't even get me started on adult males drawing sexualized versions of cartoon characters created for six year old girls...... it's not My Little Pr0Ny.