Idaho Republicans block ban on child marriage

[Katganistan]

I am against child rape. Child marriages are child rape.

[Aellex]

One can consent to be shot at and have no problem with it.
At the end of the day, it won't change the fact he got shot at, tho.

No, but consent can change or remove what's normatively-wrong with the act itself. Adultery is morally-wrong because it involves a breach of trust and confidence. Ex ante consent eliminates the breach of trust element of extra-marital intercourse and hence eliminates the source of its wrongful or turpituous character.

It doesn't tho.

[Scomagia]

Just checking. I'm not fond of tax breaks for having kids, either.

Abolishing marriage is dumb, though. Marriage is a useful institution. I don't really want to have to sign dozens of contracts just so my wife can have the same rights to make medical decisions and other decisions for me if I need her to.

I'm just pulling your leg. It is dumb. It has been a rather useful institution for the past millennia. I do however disagree that a marriage should have incentives such as tax privileges.

I agree that the tax incentives are jacked and unnecessary for the institution of marriage.

[Purgatio]

No, but consent can change or remove what's normatively-wrong with the act itself. Adultery is morally-wrong because it involves a breach of trust and confidence. Ex ante consent eliminates the breach of trust element of extra-marital intercourse and hence eliminates the source of its wrongful or turpituous character.

It doesn't tho.

Well that depends, why do you consider adultery wrong, if not the breach of trust and deceit involved.

[Scomagia]

I am against child rape. Child marriages are child rape.

What would you call two minors getting married with parental consent? As someone who grew up in Idaho, I can confirm that a lot of the "marriages by parental consent" are minors getting married, usually because someone got preggers, or a minor getting married to someone only a few years past the age of majority to keep the elder party from going to jail for no reason.

[Purgatio]

It kinda is, I mean why would people desire to enter an unsustainable relationship that will inevitably collapse. If I see a boy and girl who are clearly incompatible in their interests and temperaments and I whisper to my friend 'they're so not gonna work out, just you watch' I'm clearly passing judgment on their relationship, right. I'm not saying its always wrong to pass judgment on a relationship I'm just saying let's call a spade a spade here.

The only one talking about inevitabilities is you. I'm talking about probabilities. A better example is if I whispered to my friend, "I'm not sure they're going to work out. I think they might have a hard time but I wish them well." That's not a value judgement.

This might be a slightly semantic debate but yes I would characterise that as a judgmental statement. It might very well be justified judgment, or a judgment supported and vindicated by the facts, but its still passing judgment on the relationship.

[Scomagia]

The only one talking about inevitabilities is you. I'm talking about probabilities. A better example is if I whispered to my friend, "I'm not sure they're going to work out. I think they might have a hard time but I wish them well." That's not a value judgement.

This might be a slightly semantic debate but yes I would characterise that as a judgmental statement. It might very well be justified judgment, or a judgment supported and vindicated by the facts, but its still passing judgment on the relationship.

And I disagree because I'm not assigning a value to the relationship. I'm not saying it isn't a viable pursuit for some, just that it's a tumultuous structure. I don't see that as a value judgement.

But we're drifting off topic.

[Telconi]

I am against child rape. Child marriages are child rape.

Odd definition of rape you have there, but okay...

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Given that society currently considers children far younger than fifteen able to consent to hormone treatments and sex-change surgery, why not marriage?

Of the two, it's the far less life-altering.

You have a point here, but 1 difference is in the examples you've given, the children consent to it. In the case of this we don't really know if the child consented to this kind of marriage.

I'm running out of snark for this sort of crap.



Like... what is even the logic here at all? What makes it so vitally important to be able to marry someone who cannot legally consent to it?

Children can't consent. They can't. When will peopne understand this?

>Implying that my generation are statutory rapists

Literally over half the students in my high school have fornicated before. Or are you talking about younger children?

They were actors.

I know, I read the caption, but the social experiment was intended to portray something that actually happens and to shock the public, and I'm saying my reaction to it was disgust.

See this is something I don't like. If your gonna talk about a topic as controversial as this, have an actual married couple, not some actors.

What's with conservatives and pedophilia? Can we talk about why so many conservatives have pedo skeletons in their closets?

Doesn't pedophilia involve underage people, and not just people under 18?

there may be some Muslims...who are for it, a lot aren't.

Which is why I'm on the fence about this subject. Here's what I think:

If people under 18 wanna get married, AlHamdulillah. But I recommend that they marry someone of equal/similar age. It shouldn't be "15 yr-old married 40 yr-old" imo.

marriage should be abolished.

why should I pay more when I file my taxes as a single man instead of joint filing taxes with somebody else. damn discrimination against the single people.

Um....or you could just adjust the laws?

I am against child rape. Child marriages are child rape.

What would you call two minors getting married with parental consent? As someone who grew up in Idaho, I can confirm that a lot of the "marriages by parental consent" are minors getting married, usually because someone got preggers, or a minor getting married to someone only a few years past the age of majority to keep the elder party from going to jail for no reason.

I can agree with this. Except no one should be getting preggers before marriage and can't financially cafe for the baby.

[Aellex]

Well that depends, why do you consider adultery wrong, if not the breach of trust and deceit involved.

Because it's adultery. The breach of trust and deceit makes it all the more disgusting but at its core it's still wrong even if it is agreed upon.

[New Sukberia]

Given that society currently considers children far younger than fifteen able to consent to hormone treatments and sex-change surgery, why not marriage?

Of the two, it's the far less life-altering.

You have a point here, but 1 difference is in the examples you've given, the children consent to it. In the case of this we don't really know if the child consented to this kind of marriage.

Children can't consent. They can't. When will peopne understand this?

>Implying that my generation are statutory rapists

Literally over half the students in my high school have fornicated before. Or are you talking about younger children?

I know, I read the caption, but the social experiment was intended to portray something that actually happens and to shock the public, and I'm saying my reaction to it was disgust.

See this is something I don't like. If your gonna talk about a topic as controversial as this, have an actual married couple, not some actors.

What's with conservatives and pedophilia? Can we talk about why so many conservatives have pedo skeletons in their closets?

Doesn't pedophilia involve underage people, and not just people under 18?

there may be some Muslims...who are for it, a lot aren't.

Which is why I'm on the fence about this subject. Here's what I think:

If people under 18 wanna get married, AlHamdulillah. But I recommend that they marry someone of equal/similar age. It shouldn't be "15 yr-old married 40 yr-old" imo.

marriage should be abolished.

why should I pay more when I file my taxes as a single man instead of joint filing taxes with somebody else. damn discrimination against the single people.

Um....or you could just adjust the laws?

What would you call two minors getting married with parental consent? As someone who grew up in Idaho, I can confirm that a lot of the "marriages by parental consent" are minors getting married, usually because someone got preggers, or a minor getting married to someone only a few years past the age of majority to keep the elder party from going to jail for no reason.

I can agree with this. Except no one should be getting preggers before marriage and can't financially cafe for the baby.

Younger children of course. I was 16 when i had a relation with a 42 year old woman. She didn't rape me, nor would i call her a rapist ffs

[The Emerald Legion]

Huh. Interesting. The odd thing is this bill also backhandedly bans homosexual marriage.

Probably not why it was shot down. But interesting nonetheless.

[New Sukberia]

Huh. Interesting. The odd thing is this bill also backhandedly bans homosexual marriage.

Probably not why it was shot down. But interesting nonetheless.

Out of topic, but i like your "Enlighten the willing and exterminate the rest" quote

[Scomagia]

You have a point here, but 1 difference is in the examples you've given, the children consent to it. In the case of this we don't really know if the child consented to this kind of marriage.

>Implying that my generation are statutory rapists

Literally over half the students in my high school have fornicated before. Or are you talking about younger children?

See this is something I don't like. If your gonna talk about a topic as controversial as this, have an actual married couple, not some actors.

Doesn't pedophilia involve underage people, and not just people under 18?

Which is why I'm on the fence about this subject. Here's what I think:

If people under 18 wanna get married, AlHamdulillah. But I recommend that they marry someone of equal/similar age. It shouldn't be "15 yr-old married 40 yr-old" imo.

Um....or you could just adjust the laws?

I can agree with this. Except no one should be getting preggers before marriage and can't financially cafe for the baby.

Younger children of course. I was 16 when i had a relation with a 42 year old woman. She didn't rape me, nor would i call her a rapist ffs

I would call that woman a sexual predator.

[Andsed]

Younger children of course. I was 16 when i had a relation with a 42 year old woman. She didn't rape me, nor would i call her a rapist ffs

I would call that woman a sexual predator.

So would I.

[The South Falls]

You have a point here, but 1 difference is in the examples you've given, the children consent to it. In the case of this we don't really know if the child consented to this kind of marriage.

>Implying that my generation are statutory rapists

Literally over half the students in my high school have fornicated before. Or are you talking about younger children?

See this is something I don't like. If your gonna talk about a topic as controversial as this, have an actual married couple, not some actors.

Doesn't pedophilia involve underage people, and not just people under 18?

Which is why I'm on the fence about this subject. Here's what I think:

If people under 18 wanna get married, AlHamdulillah. But I recommend that they marry someone of equal/similar age. It shouldn't be "15 yr-old married 40 yr-old" imo.

Um....or you could just adjust the laws?

I can agree with this. Except no one should be getting preggers before marriage and can't financially cafe for the baby.

Younger children of course. I was 16 when i had a relation with a 42 year old woman. She didn't rape me, nor would i call her a rapist ffs

That's statutory rape, though. Plus, she's a predator. That relationship shouldn't have happened to begin with.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Younger children of course. I was 16 when i had a relation with a 42 year old woman. She didn't rape me, nor would i call her a rapist ffs

I would call that woman a sexual predator.

Eeeh, here in Canada, 16 years old and a much older woman...

The make or break is usually if the woman is in a position of power or authority (for example, teacher or manager).

[Scomagia]

I would call that woman a sexual predator.

Eeeh, here in Canada, 16 years old and a much older woman...

The make or break is usually if the woman is in a position of power or authority (for example, teacher or manager).

When it comes to mid teenagers, if the older party is more than four years older or so it starts to look pretty exploitative.

[The Grims]

Younger children of course. I was 16 when i had a relation with a 42 year old woman. She didn't rape me, nor would i call her a rapist ffs

That's statutory rape, though. Plus, she's a predator. That relationship shouldn't have happened to begin with.

Varies from country to ountry. In many European countries 16 is the age of consent, so this relationship would not be illegal there, unless it was prostitution or she was a teacher/caretaker/etc of him.

[The South Falls]

I would call that woman a sexual predator.

Eeeh, here in Canada, 16 years old and a much older woman...

The make or break is usually if the woman is in a position of power or authority (for example, teacher or manager).

I stil think it's wrong. There are 42 year olds to choose from.

[The South Falls]

That's statutory rape, though. Plus, she's a predator. That relationship shouldn't have happened to begin with.

Varies from country to ountry. In many European countries 16 is the age of consent, so this relationship would not be illegal there, unless it was prostitution or she was a teacher/caretaker/etc of him.

I still think it, and the entire institution of child marriage is wrong. But you're right, on that one.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Eeeh, here in Canada, 16 years old and a much older woman...

The make or break is usually if the woman is in a position of power or authority (for example, teacher or manager).

When it comes to mid teenagers, if the older party is more than four years older or so it starts to look pretty exploitative.

The reasoning behind said law is exactly that, because most relationships with such large age gaps often involve a disparity in authority.

[Shofercia]

Given that society currently considers children far younger than fifteen able to consent to hormone treatments and sex-change surgery, why not marriage?

Of the two, it's the far less life-altering.

Posting blatant falsehoods to try and NO U this discussion to a close? That's weak.

He has a good point - sex change surgery can be much more invasive than marriage.

Eh, like somebody else said, this is less of a Republican thing and more of a Idaho thing lol

That’s just reject Montana for ya!

But WVC, we all have to say that Republicans are bad in this thread, didn't you get the memo?

I'm running out of snark for this sort of crap.



Like... what is even the logic here at all? What makes it so vitally important to be able to marry someone who cannot legally consent to it?

Children can't consent. They can't. When will peopne understand this?

So someone's 17 years, 11 months, 29 days, 23 hours, and 59 seconds old - they cannot consent. Suddenly, in the very next second, they turn 18, and now have the magical power to consent, just a second later. Were they visited by an angel in that very second?

The age of consent is partially based on the draft age, which varied. During the Civil War, the draft age was 20, during WWI, it was 21, and in 1940, it became 18. In response to that, and the Vietnam War, in 1971, a Voting Act was passed, making 18 the voting age. Did the people suddenly gain a better understanding of the Voting System in 1971, than in 1970? You can't just go around slapping blank statements, it makes you look very silly.

Are you actually claiming that no youth under fifteen are encouraged into hormone therapy/SRS? That's not a difficult claim to disprove.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sex-change ... -the-rise/

"Blatant falsehoods".

Notice how your article doesn't say anything about children being pushed towards getting SRS pre-AOC.

Also do you have anything that isn't six years old?

You do realize that you didn't invalidate anything that he said, right? Maybe his article's age of consent is six years old. And children, or adults being pushed towards marriage, is also wrong.

[The Grims]

When it comes to mid teenagers, if the older party is more than four years older or so it starts to look pretty exploitative.

The reasoning behind said law is exactly that, because most relationships with such large age gaps often involve a disparity in authority.

True, but the same can said about a difference in social status (the prince and the peasant girl), IQ or education (the professor and the cleaning lady), personality (extravert and introvert) etc.

[Cetacea]

That's statutory rape, though. Plus, she's a predator. That relationship shouldn't have happened to begin with.

Varies from country to ountry. In many European countries 16 is the age of consent, so this relationship would not be illegal there, unless it was prostitution or she was a teacher/caretaker/etc of him.

Even in nations where 16 is of age a relationship between a 42 yr old and a 16 yr old while Not illegal would still be frowned upon as exploitive. Hell, I was 25 when I meet my wife who was 34 and even then people commented on the age gap.