Should There Be A Right To Discriminate?

[Tornado Queendom]

Thats different as it constitutes a health violation in theory

You dont have to sell to whomever no matter what. If someone is disruptive for example you can ask them to leave but you do not and should not have the right to ask someone to leave because of their race, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation

No one has a right to the services of another person. Get over it. If someone doesn't want to sell you stuff then they shouldn't be forced to.

I agree, and it's a bad idea to arrest people just because they have banned many customers with bad behavior who just happened to be minorities.

[The Lone Alliance]

Recently I have seen comments and heard several politicians say there ought to be a right to discriminate by privately owned business of which the rationale I dont understand

According to some the Civil Rights Act and anti discrimination laws should apply only to government owned business or essential services like a hotel, that it is the owners right to choose who they do business with or who they hire.

Where in the constitution is this alleged right?

No one should face discrimination simply because of what they look like or because they are LGBT. Everyone is equal under the law and deserves to be treated equally .

If you want to discriminate then open a private club though I dont think even a business like Costco would be able to get away with only allowing certain groups of people to shop there. If your open to the public you serve all or none at all.

What say you NSG? Should there be a right to discriminate?

So you believe it was wrong for that restaurant to kick out that Trump official for eating there?
Or is it okay if they hold political views you don't like?

Cause that was technically discrimination too.

[Tornado Queendom]

Recently I have seen comments and heard several politicians say there ought to be a right to discriminate by privately owned business of which the rationale I dont understand

According to some the Civil Rights Act and anti discrimination laws should apply only to government owned business or essential services like a hotel, that it is the owners right to choose who they do business with or who they hire.

Where in the constitution is this alleged right?

No one should face discrimination simply because of what they look like or because they are LGBT. Everyone is equal under the law and deserves to be treated equally .

If you want to discriminate then open a private club though I dont think even a business like Costco would be able to get away with only allowing certain groups of people to shop there. If your open to the public you serve all or none at all.

What say you NSG? Should there be a right to discriminate?

So you believe it was wrong for that restaurant to kick out that Trump official for eating there?
Or is it okay if they hold political views you don't like?

Cause that was technically discrimination too.

I disagree with Trump being kicked out, but that restaurant will go out of business anyways. I highly support trump, and it's the Feminist Extremists that are a threat to me.

[OGCuba]

Recently I have seen comments and heard several politicians say there ought to be a right to discriminate by privately owned business of which the rationale I don't understand.

According to some the Civil Rights Act and anti discrimination laws should apply only to government owned business or essential services like a hotel, that it is the owners right to choose who they do business with or who they hire.

Where in the constitution is this alleged right?

No one should face discrimination simply because of what they look like or because they are LGBT. Everyone is equal under the law and deserves to be treated equally .

If you want to discriminate then open a private club though I don't think even a business like Costco would be able to get away with only allowing certain groups of people to shop there. If your open to the public you serve all or none at all.

What say you NSG? Should there be a right to discriminate?

[San Lumen]

No one has a right to the services of another person. Get over it. If someone doesn't want to sell you stuff then they shouldn't be forced to.

I agree, and it's a bad idea to arrest people just because they have banned many customers with bad behavior who just happened to be minorities.

Sorry what are you talking about?

So you believe it was wrong for that restaurant to kick out that Trump official for eating there?
Or is it okay if they hold political views you don't like?

Cause that was technically discrimination too.

I disagree with Trump being kicked out, but that restaurant will go out of business anyways. I highly support trump, and it's the Feminist Extremists that are a threat to me.

Again what are you on about?

[The Lone Alliance]

Can you answer my question San Lumen?

Do you think places should be allowed to discriminate on basis of political views if you believe there is no right to discriminate?

Like if a person openly holding the views of something the owners found abhorrent walked in should they serve them?

[San Lumen]

Can you answer my question San Lumen?

Do you think places should be allowed to discriminate on basis of political views if you believe there is no right to discriminate?

Like if a person openly holding the views of something the owners found abhorrent walked in should they serve them?

I think that would depend on their actions. If they are disruptive than they can be asked to leave.

[Ors Might]

One holding prejudices does not guarantee that they’ll put them above making money, however.

Again, people are not rational... we do not live in a world full of Econs that follow literally every economic law and theory without fail.... people will be homophobic and racist, so we have laws to combat it

I understand what you’re saying here but I think you’re overestimating how much prejudice plays a part in determining how a person will act in a given circumstance among the great sea of bullshit that is the human subsconscious. Everyone has prejudice to some degree. I’ll admit to holding them myself. Greed, societal expectations, personal morality, all of these things and more factor into how people act. Prejudice does play a role, but how big a role depends on the individual, along with their state of mind and upbringing. It’s not as clear cut as “rational” and “irrational”.

One holding prejudices does not guarantee that they’ll put them above making money, however.

*Laughs in Jim Crow*

First off, Jim Crow laws were creations of the state governments. And while the line between what the population believes and what the state representative does can be hard to find at times, there were factors in place during Jim Crow that aren’t necessarily still in place today. Or, at least, to anywhere near the degree that they were back then. This assumption that Jim Crow is simply what happens when you allow businesses to discriminate demonstrates an understanding of prejudice and the human mind lacking in nuance.

[Katganistan]

In most of the UK private businesses do not have the right to discriminate against people for reasons of gender identity, race, religion, sexual orientation be it in providing services, employment or in other means.

This is a policy which I agree with and that I would oppose the repeal of.

The US has it too, but people like to moan about it and pretend that it's fair to say "I don't serve ______________."

[Katganistan]

Because then we have to sell to ./sarcasm

Even if this is sarcasm, could you censor it, the N word is really grating on the ears.

No. It's this thing called nuance.

People don't censor themselves when they say they're bigots, why should my language be comfortable when it's used to point out disgusting behavior? It's the behavior behind the words people should be angry about -- but they support it, and because it's cloaked in 'nice' words doesn't make it any less ugly.

[Azlaake]

There should not be a right to discriminate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Katganistan]

I don’t know about a right but businesses already discriminate in a way. You can be denied service if you’re not wearing shoes or a shirt in quite a few establishments.

Because that constitutes a health and safety violation.

Going shoeless in a place with things that can be dropped on them, including stepping on or dropping quite sharp things, is a danger.

Having your bodily fluids, skin flakes, etc. shedding directly where people need to eat and drink is gross.

Thus endeth the extremely obvious lesson.

[Katganistan]

They're old, and don't make enough money for the channels that previously paid for and run them.

They do make money for the stations that bought them in syndication.

MTV did make B&B though, during their experimental era when they were basically Adult Swim. (You know, Aeon Flux, 3D Spider-man, etc...)

I sit corrected. Then it's gravy for them -- just pull out of the vaults and run.

[Yusseria]

No one has a right to the services of another person. Get over it. If someone doesn't want to sell you stuff then they shouldn't be forced to.

So if I go to store I should have to wonder if I’ll be kicked out because I’m gay , denied a hotel room I payed for, or be denied or kicked out of an apartment because I’m gay?

He should have to give you your money back if you paid, but yes.

[Katganistan]

So if I go to store I should have to wonder if I’ll be kicked out because I’m gay , denied a hotel room I payed for, or be denied or kicked out of an apartment because I’m gay?

Yes, that’s what the discrimination means here.

And it's illegal. Just as illegal as refusing to sell a house to someone who has the money to purchase it because they have the wrong skin tone.

[Katganistan]

The American South exists, you know this right?

Yes, but I'm also aware it is 2019 not 1953, where you've had segregationists on the prowl.

Then perhaps you should read up some more. Shit still happens.

Or is it just a fluke that Flint, Michigan with its predominantly poor black population did not have drinkable water for four years, and had to sue the federal, state and municipal governments to get it?

And the suits are still in process.

[Katganistan]

No one has a right to the services of another person. Get over it. If someone doesn't want to sell you stuff then they shouldn't be forced to.

I agree, and it's a bad idea to arrest people just because they have banned many customers with bad behavior who just happened to be minorities.

Who said anyone was arrested?

[Katganistan]

Recently I have seen comments and heard several politicians say there ought to be a right to discriminate by privately owned business of which the rationale I dont understand

According to some the Civil Rights Act and anti discrimination laws should apply only to government owned business or essential services like a hotel, that it is the owners right to choose who they do business with or who they hire.

Where in the constitution is this alleged right?

No one should face discrimination simply because of what they look like or because they are LGBT. Everyone is equal under the law and deserves to be treated equally .

If you want to discriminate then open a private club though I dont think even a business like Costco would be able to get away with only allowing certain groups of people to shop there. If your open to the public you serve all or none at all.

What say you NSG? Should there be a right to discriminate?

So you believe it was wrong for that restaurant to kick out that Trump official for eating there?
Or is it okay if they hold political views you don't like?

Cause that was technically discrimination too.

Yep. It was wrong.

[Katganistan]

So you believe it was wrong for that restaurant to kick out that Trump official for eating there?
Or is it okay if they hold political views you don't like?

Cause that was technically discrimination too.

I disagree with Trump being kicked out, but that restaurant will go out of business anyways. I highly support trump, and it's the Feminist Extremists that are a threat to me.

https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-red-hen-lexington-3 Doubt it. They've got good reviews.

By the way you might want to actually check your facts. TRUMP was never kicked out of here, and Feminist Extremists have exactly nothing to do with the story.

[San Lumen]

So if I go to store I should have to wonder if I’ll be kicked out because I’m gay , denied a hotel room I payed for, or be denied or kicked out of an apartment because I’m gay?

He should have to give you your money back if you paid, but yes.

Why? What if I drove or flew in a long distance? I should now have to find a new hotel after I was already expecting to stay there?

[Borovan3]

Yes but do it on the inside. You can't regulate people's thoughts You can call someone any names or do what you want but it will cause stares but business and group discrimination should not exist

[Galloism]

Then why is ok to discriminate against the Church of the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan?

You need to have the courage of your convictions. If you don't believe anti-discrimination applies to religions you don't approve of, you do not have the courage of your convictions. If you believe Free Speech has to be curbed when we're talking about literal nazis, you do not have the courage of your convictions.

How do I not have courage of convictions?

Well, it is a religious symbol for a recognized church.

It is and I would not want to be seen as anti catholic so I probably would refuse their request

[Ors Might]

He should have to give you your money back if you paid, but yes.

Why? What if I drove or flew in a long distance? I should now have to find a new hotel after I was already expecting to stay there?

You had an agreement with the hotel, your currency in exchange for service. The hotel chose to exit that agreement after gaining information that they previously didn’t have and returned to you your currency. It sucks for you, yeah, but I don’t see how in this situation you’re entitled to stay at that hotel. They broke off the agreement you had and returned your currency to you.

[Ors Might]

Yes but do it on the inside. You can't regulate people's thoughts You can call someone any names or do what you want but it will cause stares but business and group discrimination should not exist

Why not?

[Galloism]

Why? What if I drove or flew in a long distance? I should now have to find a new hotel after I was already expecting to stay there?

You had an agreement with the hotel, your currency in exchange for service. The hotel chose to exit that agreement after gaining information that they previously didn’t have and returned to you your currency. It sucks for you, yeah, but I don’t see how in this situation you’re entitled to stay at that hotel. They broke off the agreement you had and returned your currency to you.

It's worth noting they could be liable in some circumstances for any unreasonable expenses he incurred as a result of them breaking the contract without reasonable notice.