¡Voto Plus Ultra 2: Boogaloo Eléctrico!(Spanish Election)

[Baltenstein]

So I was watching the Spanish news yesterday (having recently moved to Madrid) and saw an interview with Pedro Sanchez talking about a "gran coalición" and naturally assumed that he means the prospect of the big center-left party (PSOE) and the big center-right party (PP) forming a coalition government, as has been the case several times in other European countries. However, my neighbor informed me that gran coalición actually means an alliance beween PSOE and Podemos, so between the Center-Left and the Left.

Is this how pathetic the PP has become, that they are not even considered one of the big two anymore?

[Shrillland]

So I was watching the Spanish news yesterday (having recently moved to Madrid) and saw an interview with Pedro Sanchez talking about a "gran coalición" and naturally assumed that he means the prospect of the big center-left party (PSOE) and the big center-right party (PP) forming a coalition government, as has been the case several times in other European countries. However, my neighbor informed me that gran coalición actually means an alliance beween PSOE and Podemos, so between the Center-Left and the Left.

Is this how pathetic the PP has become, that they are not even considered one of the big two anymore?

Oh, they're still one of the big two, and they've rebounded some in the polls. No, it's just that Sanchez may finally have gotten the hint that the two-party system in Spain is all but dead and that the Left and Right parties will have to join forces. PSOE and Podemos have a path to government, as do PP, Cs, and Vox, but all paths run through the regional interest parties, which wasn't an issue last time becasue Sanchez didn't yet understand that the nation had moved beyond two-party politics.

[Forumland]

So I was watching the Spanish news yesterday (having recently moved to Madrid) and saw an interview with Pedro Sanchez talking about a "gran coalición" and naturally assumed that he means the prospect of the big center-left party (PSOE) and the big center-right party (PP) forming a coalition government, as has been the case several times in other European countries. However, my neighbor informed me that gran coalición actually means an alliance beween PSOE and Podemos, so between the Center-Left and the Left.

Is this how pathetic the PP has become, that they are not even considered one of the big two anymore?

that’s the only time I’ve seen anyone refer to an agreement between Podemos and the PSOE as a grand coalition. After a quick Google search it seems like most of the Spanish media uses it to refer to a PSOE-PP deal (still using it wrong, but whatever)

[Vivolkha]

So I was watching the Spanish news yesterday (having recently moved to Madrid) and saw an interview with Pedro Sanchez talking about a "gran coalición" and naturally assumed that he means the prospect of the big center-left party (PSOE) and the big center-right party (PP) forming a coalition government, as has been the case several times in other European countries. However, my neighbor informed me that gran coalición actually means an alliance beween PSOE and Podemos, so between the Center-Left and the Left.

Is this how pathetic the PP has become, that they are not even considered one of the big two anymore?

Both coalitions are possible, with the PSOE-Podemos one being by far the most likely in case of a PSOE victory. "Gran coalición" probably refers to a PP-PSOE coalition. Yes, the PP has lost a lot of popularity during and right after Rajoy's presidency*, but they seem to be rebounding after hitting a historical low.

*For international audiences, Spain's Presidente del Gobierno ("government's president") is usually referred to as a Prime Minister, as the role of the post is, in fact, head of government (the King being head of state). In fact, Spain has no position named "Prime Minister".

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Aye, it does need to die. Pero, ya sabes cómo son muchos de nuestros paisanos.

Pa que aprender del pasao. It’s disheartening, I feel.

Por eso ye que tamos cómo tamos. Atrás, cómo el rabu (cola) del perro. We need to learn from our past. We really need to. Otherwise, we’re going to keep fucking up, as we have. Sure, things are a little better nowadays but joder.

[Rio Cana]

Spain needs to toss out there current political system which is a failure. Time to become a federal republic, the United States of Spain. Bye bye Monarchy. The Bourbons are not even native to Iberia.

[Kowani]

Spain needs to toss out there current political system which is a failure. Time to become a federal republic, the United States of Spain. Bye bye Monarchy. The Bourbons are not even native to Iberia.

Fucking finally, someone.

[Forumland]

There are widespread protests and a general strike occurring in Catalonia after the Spanish Supreme Court sentenced 9 Catalonian separatist leaders.

Puigdemont has also been detained after Spanish prosecutors issued another arrest warrant against him.

not sure what to make of this

[Federal Spanish States]

Spain needs to toss out there current political system which is a failure. Time to become a federal republic, the United States of Spain. Bye bye Monarchy. The Bourbons are not even native to Iberia.

Bruh, are you sure that the problem isn't the fact that our politicians are incompetent/corrupt? Removing the Monarchy won't solve jack shit.

If anything, the same shit that we've got right now will happen...

[Vivolkha]

Spain needs to toss out there current political system which is a failure. Time to become a federal republic, the United States of Spain. Bye bye Monarchy. The Bourbons are not even native to Iberia.

Bruh, are you sure that the problem isn't the fact that our politicians are incompetent/corrupt? Removing the Monarchy won't solve jack shit.

If anything, the same shit that we've got right now will happen...

Well, it will stop us from tossing up millions to a corrupt gang that does absolutely nothing for the country. But yeah, not enough popular support.

Spain needs to toss out there current political system which is a failure. Time to become a federal republic, the United States of Spain. Bye bye Monarchy. The Bourbons are not even native to Iberia.

Spain has been in perpetual political, social and economic crisis for too long. But how many people would support a federal state or a republic?
Not enough. Hence why I don't think this country has any future for me. There's no will to fix what it is clearly broken.

Still don't know what to do on the upcoming elections but the events around the Barcelona riots will probably help me decide.

[Blueflarst]

LONG LIVE THE KING SYMBOL OF UNITY OF THE SPANISH PEOPLE
LONG LIVE THE CROWN
WITHOUT MONARCHY WE WOULD HAVE BECOME A MEXICO DRUG CARTEL ALREADY!

[Rio Cana]

LONG LIVE THE KING SYMBOL OF UNITY OF THE SPANISH PEOPLE
LONG LIVE THE CROWN
WITHOUT MONARCHY WE WOULD HAVE BECOME A MEXICO DRUG CARTEL ALREADY!

Seems the monarchy failed when it comes to the drug problem. They say Galicia is full of Drug Barons.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/04/10/in ... 74974.html

[Federal Spanish States]

LONG LIVE THE KING SYMBOL OF UNITY OF THE SPANISH PEOPLE
LONG LIVE THE CROWN
WITHOUT MONARCHY WE WOULD HAVE BECOME A MEXICO DRUG CARTEL ALREADY!

Seems the monarchy failed when it comes to the drug problem. They say Galicia is full of Drug Barons.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/04/10/in ... 74974.html

Huh, not in my area (Urban Vigo), apparently. Guessing it's a problem with the mayors of the Salnés area?

Just like the 80's I guess.

I mean... to be fair to the monarchy, so did the politicians (who were the ones who were supposed to have solved this in the first place). Guessing this is what happens when you're one of the two regions that have access to the Atlantic Ocean.

[Rio Cana]

Going back to the monarchy question. They have had unofficial votes in parts of Spain which indicate that the majority would prefer to abolish the monarchy.

Read - https://www.dw.com/en/spain-asks-is-mon ... a-46664399

Found out the new royal family member in line for the Spanish throne will be the current about to turn 14 year old Princess Leonor, the Princess of Asturias.

[Shrillland]

The whole mess in Catalonia has led to slumping numbers for Sanchez with PP and Vox gaining much of the balance, but there's still no clear mandate for either side.

Sanchez is also demanding that Torra condemn separatist violence knowing that he probably won't do so: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20191019/sanchez-exige-torra-condene-rotundamente-violencia-acate-ley-para-sentarse-dialogar/1983342.shtml

[Mettaton-EX]

LONG LIVE THE KING SYMBOL OF UNITY OF THE SPANISH PEOPLE

not doing a great job of it though

[Vivolkha]

The whole mess in Catalonia has led to slumping numbers for Sanchez with PP and Vox gaining much of the balance, but there's still no clear mandate for either side.

Sanchez is also demanding that Torra condemn separatist violence knowing that he probably won't do so: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20191019/sanchez-exige-torra-condene-rotundamente-violencia-acate-ley-para-sentarse-dialogar/1983342.shtml

Both sides have condemned the violence then blamed it on the other. Neither is exactly right.

LONG LIVE THE KING SYMBOL OF UNITY OF THE SPANISH PEOPLE
LONG LIVE THE CROWN
WITHOUT MONARCHY WE WOULD HAVE BECOME A MEXICO DRUG CARTEL ALREADY!

Seems the monarchy failed when it comes to the drug problem. They say Galicia is full of Drug Barons.

https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/04/10/in ... 74974.html

Spain has never had a drug problem Latin America-style, but still there are points for drug trafficking in the south and in Galicia.

Going back to the monarchy question. They have had unofficial votes in parts of Spain which indicate that the majority would prefer to abolish the monarchy.

Read - https://www.dw.com/en/spain-asks-is-mon ... a-46664399

Found out the new royal family member in line for the Spanish throne will be the current about to turn 14 year old Princess Leonor, the Princess of Asturias.

Not enough support (most comes from urban youth), including all Spain and all age groups support is still <50%. There's exactly zero political will, lese-majeste laws (and terrorism ones, but this is unrelated) have been broadly and aggressively enforced to counter any pro-republic speech, the king is now pretty much only focused on holding on his unfair privileges, and such a change in the Constitution would require a 2/3s vote.

[Outer Sparta]

The whole mess in Catalonia has led to slumping numbers for Sanchez with PP and Vox gaining much of the balance, but there's still no clear mandate for either side.

Sanchez is also demanding that Torra condemn separatist violence knowing that he probably won't do so: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20191019/sanchez-exige-torra-condene-rotundamente-violencia-acate-ley-para-sentarse-dialogar/1983342.shtml

I bet this means an even more deadlocked government since the projected polling will be closer than the past election results.

[Vivolkha]

The whole mess in Catalonia has led to slumping numbers for Sanchez with PP and Vox gaining much of the balance, but there's still no clear mandate for either side.

Sanchez is also demanding that Torra condemn separatist violence knowing that he probably won't do so: http://www.rtve.es/noticias/20191019/sanchez-exige-torra-condene-rotundamente-violencia-acate-ley-para-sentarse-dialogar/1983342.shtml

I bet this means an even more deadlocked government since the projected polling will be closer than the past election results.

Exactly what this country needed: more political crisis.

[Outer Sparta]

I bet this means an even more deadlocked government since the projected polling will be closer than the past election results.

Exactly what this country needed: more political crisis.

Not to mention the whole Catalonia mess already.

[Kowani]

I bet this means an even more deadlocked government since the projected polling will be closer than the past election results.

Exactly what this country needed: more political crisis.

What, did you expect competence?

[Major-Tom]

So I was watching the Spanish news yesterday (having recently moved to Madrid) and saw an interview with Pedro Sanchez talking about a "gran coalición" and naturally assumed that he means the prospect of the big center-left party (PSOE) and the big center-right party (PP) forming a coalition government, as has been the case several times in other European countries. However, my neighbor informed me that gran coalición actually means an alliance beween PSOE and Podemos, so between the Center-Left and the Left.

Is this how pathetic the PP has become, that they are not even considered one of the big two anymore?

that’s the only time I’ve seen anyone refer to an agreement between Podemos and the PSOE as a grand coalition. After a quick Google search it seems like most of the Spanish media uses it to refer to a PSOE-PP deal (still using it wrong, but whatever)

I loathe the PP, but it's equally satisfying to see the Cs collapse in the polls. Rivera is such an opportunistic, disingenuous, smarmy little crap - turned the Cs from a centre, liberal party to one bordering on a right-wing nationalist grouping just because he wanted more votes.

[Shrillland]

that’s the only time I’ve seen anyone refer to an agreement between Podemos and the PSOE as a grand coalition. After a quick Google search it seems like most of the Spanish media uses it to refer to a PSOE-PP deal (still using it wrong, but whatever)

I loathe the PP, but it's equally satisfying to see the Cs collapse in the polls. Rivera is such an opportunistic, disingenuous, smarmy little crap - turned the Cs from a centre, liberal party to one bordering on a right-wing nationalist grouping just because he wanted more votes.

Yeah, but Vox is taking their place, and Abascal is cut from the same cloth as folks like Wilders, Farage, and Trump.

[Blueflarst]

The monarch privileges are not unfair.
The monarch must be an enlightened person guiding the Kingdom through the future and maintaining the prosperity and the peace.

The monarchy has been damaged by bad kings people whom disrespected their duties and abused their power.
The republics would be no better a republican president is even more likely to abuse the power and to bring inestability than a president.

[Vivolkha]

Exactly what this country needed: more political crisis.

What, did you expect competence?

In Spanish politics? Never.

that’s the only time I’ve seen anyone refer to an agreement between Podemos and the PSOE as a grand coalition. After a quick Google search it seems like most of the Spanish media uses it to refer to a PSOE-PP deal (still using it wrong, but whatever)

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I loathe the PP, but it's equally satisfying to see the Cs collapse in the polls. Rivera is such an opportunistic, disingenuous, smarmy little crap - turned the Cs from a centre, liberal party to one bordering on a right-wing nationalist grouping just because he wanted more votes.

Sums it up pretty well. In fact, Cs is enormously centralized around Rivera. He even rigged his own party's internal elections when his favorite candidate didn't have enough support, which says a lot about the party's democratic tendencies.