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Postby Neutraligon » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:03 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Withdraw government benefits from any person who is anti-vaxx. If that person is a biological donor, I refuse to call them parents, their children shall be taken in by the state and they should be sentenced to life imprison for child endangerment

Can we add those who refuse to let their kids use donated blood for religious reasons to that?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:06 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Withdraw government benefits from any person who is anti-vaxx. If that person is a biological donor, I refuse to call them parents, their children shall be taken in by the state and they should be sentenced to life imprison for child endangerment

Can we add those who refuse to let their kids use donated blood for religious reasons to that?

Sure. It’s child endangerment
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:09 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Withdraw government benefits from any person who is anti-vaxx. If that person is a biological donor, I refuse to call them parents, their children shall be taken in by the state and they should be sentenced to life imprison for child endangerment

Can we add those who refuse to let their kids use donated blood for religious reasons to that?


It's not religious reasons.. it's 'philosophical-belief' vaccine non-medical exemptions'.., the efficacy of medical solutions is really only based on your philosophical views donchano?
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Postby Bijju » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:09 pm

What does Singapore do? They're probably the most efficient country on Earth, so their method is probably a pretty good one. Singapore is also a pretty small Island, so their thoughts on contagious sicknesses are probably progressive.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:11 pm

Bijju wrote:What does Singapore do? They're probably the most efficient country on Earth, so their method is probably a pretty good one. Singapore is also a pretty small Island, so their thoughts on contagious sicknesses are probably progressive.


Under the Infectious Diseases Act and the Infectious Diseases (Diphtheria and Measles Vaccination) Regulations, it is compulsory for parents and guardians to have their child vaccinated against measles. The penalty for non-compliance is a fine of up to $500 for the first offence and up to $1,000 for the second or subsequent offence.
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Postby Polish Prussian Commonwealth » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:12 pm

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:22 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:I guess it is time for mandatory vaccinations, eh!?

Yes pls. I’d gladly line up for some of that sweet seeet disease prevention.
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Postby Xmara » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:26 pm

About time they were declared a threat.

I hate encountering anti-vaxxers online. It doesn’t matter how many studies, how many CDC and WHO articles you link, how many scientists and doctors you cite, it’s all fake news to them and Word of Facebook/Twitter/YouTube/[insert mommy-blogger] is the end-all source.
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:28 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Bijju wrote:What does Singapore do? They're probably the most efficient country on Earth, so their method is probably a pretty good one. Singapore is also a pretty small Island, so their thoughts on contagious sicknesses are probably progressive.


Under the Infectious Diseases Act and the Infectious Diseases (Diphtheria and Measles Vaccination) Regulations, it is compulsory for parents and guardians to have their child vaccinated against measles. The penalty for non-compliance is a fine of up to $500 for the first offence and up to $1,000 for the second or subsequent offence.


I can sort of confirm it, because I stay here, but I admit, this information is rather new to me. :blush:

Bijju wrote:What does Singapore do? They're probably the most efficient country on Earth, so their method is probably a pretty good one. Singapore is also a pretty small Island, so their thoughts on contagious sicknesses are probably progressive.


That too. That's why we have a crapton of emphasis on "sharing is NOT caring" when it comes to diseases. Even common flu can pass to someone, like you will normally see a bunch of people on trains with masks or just coughing/sneezing like there's no tomorrow.

I'm glad that we have this under control, but I will be happier if the entire world is devoid of the Anti-Vaccine Movement (I'm not wishing them ill-will or death; I just don't want the movement to exist in the first place).

Xmara wrote:About time they were declared a threat.

I hate encountering anti-vaxxers online. It doesn’t matter how many studies, how many CDC and WHO articles you link, how many scientists and doctors you cite, it’s all fake news to them and Word of Facebook/Twitter/YouTube/[insert mommy-blogger] is the end-all source.


One anecdote can out-correct and answer everything, after all. Anecdotes are much more accurate than science. /s
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:33 pm

The globalist WHO sure seems to be pushing vaccinations a lot. Almost as if these vaccines are more then just, well, vaccines. Hm.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:36 pm

The Black Party wrote:The globalist WHO sure seems to be pushing vaccinations a lot. Almost as if these vaccines are more then just, well, vaccines. Hm.

Or maybe it is just that vaccines save millions of lives making WHO want to spread them so people don't die of easily preventable illness. I swear why does everyone try to find a conspiracy theory in every thing these days.
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Postby The Black Party » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:38 pm

Andsed wrote:
The Black Party wrote:The globalist WHO sure seems to be pushing vaccinations a lot. Almost as if these vaccines are more then just, well, vaccines. Hm.

Or maybe it is just that vaccines save millions of lives making WHO want to spread them so people don't die of easily preventable illness.

I know they save millions of lives, I never denied that. That's what I've been told throughout my whole life. It just seems a bit excessive to declare all Anti-Vaxxers as a threat.
Andsed wrote:I swear why does everyone try to find a conspiracy theory in every thing these days.

It's called critical thinking.
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Postby Valentine Z » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:38 pm

Andsed wrote:
The Black Party wrote:The globalist WHO sure seems to be pushing vaccinations a lot. Almost as if these vaccines are more then just, well, vaccines. Hm.

Or maybe it is just that vaccines save millions of lives making WHO want to spread them so people don't die of easily preventable illness. I swear why does everyone try to find a conspiracy theory in every thing these days.


Agree. Even going by the Big Pharma path, it is a stretch. It's definitely cheaper to get a vaccine, than to spend a lot on a cure once someone got it.

And the AVers are threats for the most parts. Some are just misunderstood and just needs a push, but some are super insistive on their wrongness.
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Postby Steampunk World War 1 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:40 pm

Not sure if this would be off topic, but I noticed that last year in the United States lots of kids were killed by the influenza virus and most of them weren't vaccinated. And now this year measles is becoming a epidemic across the United States.

Honestly I'm worried since the United States is a hot spot of anti-vaxxers and if those numbers keep growing we may have a Polio epidemic next year.

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Postby Andsed » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:41 pm

I know they save millions of lives, I never denied that. That's what I've been told throughout my whole life. It just seems a bit excessive to declare all Anti-Vaxxers as a threat.

They kinda are. I mean because they are not immune to diseases they are able to spread them and by not getting their kids vaccinated they put their lives in danger. It may be a little excessive but mostly accurate.

It's called critical thinking

No it's called being paranoid and finding some ulterior motive in every little thing even if there is nothing backing it.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:45 pm

The Black Party wrote:The globalist WHO sure seems to be pushing vaccinations a lot. Almost as if these vaccines are more then just, well, vaccines. Hm.


It must be really frustrating to be a doctor and know that simple vaccinations help to eliminate a disease only to see it growing in incidence because people are spreading anti-science bullshit with scare tactics.

Reported measles cases spiked in 2017, as multiple countries experienced severe and protracted outbreaks of the disease. This is according to a new report published today by leading health organizations.

...reported cases increased by more than 30 percent worldwide from 2016.

The Americas, the Eastern Mediterranean Region, and Europe experienced the greatest upsurges in cases in 2017, with the Western Pacific the only World Health Organization (WHO) region where measles incidence fell.
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Postby Toaslandia » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:45 pm

Well it's about time! With the resurgence in people thinking the Earth is flat and believing crystals will heal them this is a step in the right direction.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:46 pm

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Yeah, because we definitely don't have to worry all that much about cancer or diabetes or HIV or superbugs. :roll:

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:47 pm

There are valid reasons to refuse certain vaccines and not be in any rush to just accept every new one that comes out. But I'd say that it is more correct to at least be willing to get the vaccines that've been out for decades and thus have been means tested enough for it to be taken as reliable and having utility. Any vaccine that is younger than 10 years, I want to wait until it is at least 5 years old.

It'd also help if it doesn't cost money or is subsidized for low cost at point of delivery. Its a disincentive if it's beyond a certain price point for a lot of people.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:51 pm

If anything this’ll just give ‘em more ammo: Big Pharma’s in bed with the WHO. These people’ll twist anything.
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Postby Aeritai » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:56 pm

Steampunk World War 1 wrote:Not sure if this would be off topic, but I noticed that last year in the United States lots of kids were killed by the influenza virus and most of them weren't vaccinated. And now this year measles is becoming a epidemic across the United States.

Honestly I'm worried since the United States is a hot spot of anti-vaxxers and if those numbers keep growing we may have a Polio epidemic next year.


Lets not forget the fact that once a virus has entered multiple un-vaccinated people the virus could mutate making the vaccinated people targets of this new mutated virus.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:58 pm

The Black Party wrote: It just seems a bit excessive to declare all Anti-Vaxxers as a threat.

Not really, they are a threat, diseases like measles were pretty well under control in the US, Canada and Europe until relatively recently when a bunch of anti-vaxxers allowed it to pretty much have the biggest resurgence of the disease in decades.
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Postby Steampunk World War 1 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:00 pm

Aeritai wrote:
Steampunk World War 1 wrote:Not sure if this would be off topic, but I noticed that last year in the United States lots of kids were killed by the influenza virus and most of them weren't vaccinated. And now this year measles is becoming a epidemic across the United States.

Honestly I'm worried since the United States is a hot spot of anti-vaxxers and if those numbers keep growing we may have a Polio epidemic next year.


Lets not forget the fact that once a virus has entered multiple un-vaccinated people the virus could mutate making the vaccinated people targets of this new mutated virus.


But Viruses don't mutate that quickly last time I checked the influenza virus mutates once a year during the winter which means vaccines can still fight against the virus no matter how many times it mutates.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:03 pm

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Andsed wrote:Or maybe it is just that vaccines save millions of lives making WHO want to spread them so people don't die of easily preventable illness.

I know they save millions of lives, I never denied that. That's what I've been told throughout my whole life. It just seems a bit excessive to declare all Anti-Vaxxers as a threat.
Andsed wrote:I swear why does everyone try to find a conspiracy theory in every thing these days.

It's called critical thinking.

They are a threat. Herd immunity is a thing and people who don’t vaccinate risk destroying that.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:07 pm

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They probably could, if the parents were held accountable for any infections spread by non-vaccinated children.


And what the fuck are corporations gonna do that's somehow better than the government responses that've been cropping up to combat this shit?


Corporations lean on the government for more vaccination contracts, governments pass legislation requiring mandatory vaccinations, government issues vaccine contracts to pharmaceutical corporations.

That's how Congress works, right?
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