2021 Israeli Elections IV: Now Without Netanyahu

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpattia]

It's why Trump will be re-elected.

Don't count your chickens before they actually hatch though. Sh!tlib centrists and neolibs were getting ready to coronate Hitlery as the "Madam President" when suddenly, Emailgate hit and the DNC was shook by the 2016 upset. Save your "coronation" of Donald Trump for when he actually passes 270 EV in 2020, will ya? Otherwise, once reality ensues and the scenario where Trump loses actually occurs (More likely if either Yang, Sanders, or Brown are the nominees, can bring back WI, MI, PA, and OH if they play their populist cards well), don't come hollerin' about "MUH ELECTORAL RIGGING BY THE DAMN LIBS COMMUNIST SJW PINKO MAFIA REEEEEEEEE!". After all, a loss has to be taken with proper grace.

[Shrillland]

There are plenty of valid arguments for and against the existence of Modern Israel. Carrying on 2000-year-old grudges against Jews and 1000-year-old grudges against the fall of Baudouin's kingdom isn't one of them

Yeah, I have to agree.
First of all a few Jews going along with some other groups on the crucifixion (some Jews were for it, others against it) does not mean the whole group can be blamed.

Second no Jews alive today had any involvement whatsoever.

Collective punishment against an entire race for the crimes of some members of done 2,000 years ago is bad.

By that logic we could legitimize any state or group.

Exactly. Hell, I don't blame the people of Israel today for the circumstances surrounding the modern country's founding, that was over 70 years ago...my problems with Israel today are how they're treating people in the West Bank, and a lot of that could be rectified if they could just get Likud out of there...but as Trumptonium pointed out, their support of Likud because of Israel's economic boom is proof that nobody cares about direction, just movement.

[Shrillland]

It's why Trump will be re-elected.

Don't count your chickens before they actually hatch though. Sh!tlib centrists and neolibs were getting ready to coronate Hitlery as the "Madam President" when suddenly, Emailgate hit and the DNC was shook by the 2016 upset. Save your "coronation" of Donald Trump for when he actually passes 270 EV in 2020, will ya? Otherwise, once reality ensues and the scenario where Trump loses actually occurs (More likely if either Yang, Sanders, or Brown are the nominees, can bring back WI, MI, PA, and OH if they play their populist cards well), don't come hollerin' about "MUH ELECTORAL RIGGING BY THE DAMN LIBS COMMUNIST SJW PINKO MAFIA REEEEEEEEE!". After all, a loss has to be taken with proper grace.

He was just trying to explain how Likud, despite all of its problems without and within, are still so popular and poised to keep their 30 seats and maybe gain a couple more. Plus, nicknaming isn't allowed on the boards. Let us return to Zion and Jerusalem, which is the point of this thread.

[Menassa]

Yeah, I have to agree.
First of all a few Jews going along with some other groups on the crucifixion (some Jews were for it, others against it) does not mean the whole group can be blamed.

Second no Jews alive today had any involvement whatsoever.

Collective punishment against an entire race for the crimes of some members of done 2,000 years ago is bad.

By that logic we could legitimize any state or group.

Exactly. Hell, I don't blame the people of Israel today for the circumstances surrounding the modern country's founding, that was over 70 years ago...my problems with Israel today are how they're treating people in the West Bank, and a lot of that could be rectified if they could just get Likud out of there...but as Trumptonium pointed out, their support of Likud because of Israel's economic boom is proof that nobody cares about direction, just movement.

There's also a strong feeling that making peace (Rabin) didn't bring them long term results. I worry that the inference from that is going to lead to a much worse situation than there already is. But, I'm not an Israeli citizen so all I can do is needlessly worry.

[Bienenhalde]

So you can't vote for Hamas?
Either the joint list or united torah judaism.

So you hate Israel so much that you would vote for an electoral list led by a literal communist? Tsk, I am disappointed in you.

[Novus America]

Don't count your chickens before they actually hatch though. Sh!tlib centrists and neolibs were getting ready to coronate Hitlery as the "Madam President" when suddenly, Emailgate hit and the DNC was shook by the 2016 upset. Save your "coronation" of Donald Trump for when he actually passes 270 EV in 2020, will ya? Otherwise, once reality ensues and the scenario where Trump loses actually occurs (More likely if either Yang, Sanders, or Brown are the nominees, can bring back WI, MI, PA, and OH if they play their populist cards well), don't come hollerin' about "MUH ELECTORAL RIGGING BY THE DAMN LIBS COMMUNIST SJW PINKO MAFIA REEEEEEEEE!". After all, a loss has to be taken with proper grace.

He was just trying to explain how Likud, despite all of its problems without and within, are still so popular and poised to keep their 30 seats and maybe gain a couple more. Plus, nicknaming isn't allowed on the boards. Let us return to Zion and Jerusalem, which is the point of this thread.

Yes, the economic success of Israel is probably the main reason people support Likud despite the corruption.

Likud will most likely come out the largest party based on the economic success regardless of the other concerns.

Also permanent peace with Palestine is considered a lost cause by many.
So it is not top priority compared to the economy.

[Somerville]

Bibi could be revealed to have actually murdered American soldiers, lynched children, and stolen money directly from Israeli taxpayers and he'd still win

[Len Hyet]

He was just trying to explain how Likud, despite all of its problems without and within, are still so popular and poised to keep their 30 seats and maybe gain a couple more. Plus, nicknaming isn't allowed on the boards. Let us return to Zion and Jerusalem, which is the point of this thread.

Yes, the economic success of Israel is probably the main reason people support Likud despite the corruption.

Likud will most likely come out the largest party based on the economic success regardless of the other concerns.

Also permanent peace with Palestine is considered a lost cause by many.
So it is not top priority compared to the economy.

True-State Solution when.

[Angleter]

He was just trying to explain how Likud, despite all of its problems without and within, are still so popular and poised to keep their 30 seats and maybe gain a couple more. Plus, nicknaming isn't allowed on the boards. Let us return to Zion and Jerusalem, which is the point of this thread.

Yes, the economic success of Israel is probably the main reason people support Likud despite the corruption.

Likud will most likely come out the largest party based on the economic success regardless of the other concerns.

Also permanent peace with Palestine is considered a lost cause by many.
So it is not top priority compared to the economy.

The impression I get is that, while Israel's economy has grown considerably over the last decade, a lot of Israelis are dissatisfied with the state of the economy for them, a lot like in most Western countries. There's been a fair few significant protests over the cost of living and housing, and a steady stream of parties focussed on those issues (Kulanu, Gesher, Yesh Atid to some extent, &c.).

Where Netanyahu seems to do particularly well, voter support wise, is security. Out of the last three decades at least of Israel's history, the last decade has probably been the most 'peaceful', which considering that things have gotten considerably less peaceful everywhere else in the Middle East, isn't to be sniffed at. There hasn't been an intifada, and the rocket fire is considerably less frequent than it was before the blockade of Gaza started in 2008. Also, the sporadic conflicts with Hamas in Gaza can quite easily be attributed to the Gaza disengagement, which Netanyahu (mostly) opposed.

Essentially, a lot of Israelis trust Netanyahu to not do anything in the pursuit of peace that might jeopardise their security, like the disengagement. The possibility of Hamas taking over the West Bank as they did Gaza, and then using it as a base for rocket fire and other attacks against Israel, is a particular concern.

Meanwhile, I've found Likud's theme tune. They haven't changed it for a long time.

[Angleter]

I'm not to worried about the winner of the elections.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/1206 ... elections/

The real question here is whether the Messiah will run alone or go for third place on Benny Gantz's list.

[Far Easter Republic]

The issue in Gaza is that The Iron Dome and the "Gaza as a open air prison" tactic is the only thing that keeps Jerusalem from being a Hamas dartboard.

[Menassa]

I'm not to worried about the winner of the elections.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/1206 ... elections/

The real question here is whether the Messiah will run alone or go for third place on Benny Gantz's list.

He probably wouldn't run in Shas or UTJ imo.

[The of Japan]

Political party in zionist country is zionist

literally shaking and spooked rn

HEZBOL GANG

Zionist NazBols...

Uh.

if nazbol is similar to nazi it makes as much sense as a nazi fur.

[The of Japan]

Political party in zionist country is zionist

literally shaking and spooked rn

HEZBOL GANG

Zionist NazBols...

Uh.

if nazbol is similar to nazi it makes as much sense as a nazi fur.

[Scherzinger]

oooh scrap backwards democracy and put a good ol dictatorship in order

[Menassa]

oooh scrap backwards democracy and put a good ol dictatorship in order

Then they'll just be like all their neighbors...

[Scherzinger]

oooh scrap backwards democracy and put a good ol dictatorship in order

Then they'll just be like all their neighbors...

and why should i care?

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Not sure you'd like living in a country where the air raid warning siren urging you to hide in a bunker is sounded twice a week.

Not sure you'd like living in a country where a foreign power's naval blockade controls whether you have enough food or not. Not sure you'd like living in a country where if someone who lives down the street from you commits a crime, you and everyone else in your neighborhood are evicted and your houses demolished. And I'm going to guess you wouldn't like living in a country where white phosphorous rains down from the sky burning the skin of whoever it touches.

[Menassa]

Not sure you'd like living in a country where the air raid warning siren urging you to hide in a bunker is sounded twice a week.

Not sure you'd like living in a country where a foreign power's naval blockade controls whether you have enough food or not. Not sure you'd like living in a country where if someone who lives down the street from you commits a crime, you and everyone else in your neighborhood are evicted and your houses demolished. And I'm going to guess you wouldn't like living in a country where white phosphorous rains down from the sky burning the skin of whoever it touches.

Relax there buddy, there is a thread to talk about all of Israel's heinous yet somehow entirely defendable war crimes. This is the thread to talk about the Israeli elections, so unless you've got an opinion about the political parties in the Knesset kindly take your accusations against the the world's most moral army there, thank you.

[Jakker]

Don't count your chickens before they actually hatch though. Sh!tlib centrists and neolibs were getting ready to coronate Hitlery as the "Madam President" when suddenly, Emailgate hit and the DNC was shook by the 2016 upset. Save your "coronation" of Donald Trump for when he actually passes 270 EV in 2020, will ya? Otherwise, once reality ensues and the scenario where Trump loses actually occurs (More likely if either Yang, Sanders, or Brown are the nominees, can bring back WI, MI, PA, and OH if they play their populist cards well), don't come hollerin' about "MUH ELECTORAL RIGGING BY THE DAMN LIBS COMMUNIST SJW PINKO MAFIA REEEEEEEEE!". After all, a loss has to be taken with proper grace.

"Sh!tlib" and "Hitlery" are clearly political nicknames which constitutes trolling. *** Warned for Trolling (Political Nicknaming) ***

[Painisia]

It seems likely that Netanyahu will rule for at least 3 years more before the corruption scandals get a hold on him and his popularity will plummet. The problem is that the opposition has been mutilated into several other small parties, so there is no clear opposition voice to Likud. However,Benny Gantz and his Israel Resilience Party is growing large at the opinion polls.

[Shrillland]

It seems likely that Netanyahu will rule for at least 3 years more before the corruption scandals get a hold on him and his popularity will plummet. The problem is that the opposition has been mutilated into several other small parties, so there is no clear opposition voice to Likud. However,Benny Gantz and his Israel Resilience Party is growing large at the opinion polls.

Gantz is soaring in the latest polls going to 24 seats, he could potentially form a coalition of his own if he continues rising like this.

[Novus America]

It seems likely that Netanyahu will rule for at least 3 years more before the corruption scandals get a hold on him and his popularity will plummet. The problem is that the opposition has been mutilated into several other small parties, so there is no clear opposition voice to Likud. However,Benny Gantz and his Israel Resilience Party is growing large at the opinion polls.

I am still a little vague on his substantive policies. Seems a little like he wants to be everything to everyone. I am all for radical centrism and non ideological pragmatism but you have to be careful that does not become a incoherent populist mess.

I want to like the guy, but I want to know more about the details of what he wants to do.

[Painisia]

It seems likely that Netanyahu will rule for at least 3 years more before the corruption scandals get a hold on him and his popularity will plummet. The problem is that the opposition has been mutilated into several other small parties, so there is no clear opposition voice to Likud. However,Benny Gantz and his Israel Resilience Party is growing large at the opinion polls.

I am still a little vague on his substantive policies. Seems a little like he wants to be everything to everyone. I am all for radical centrism and non ideological pragmatism but you have to be careful that does not become a incoherent populist mess.

I want to like the guy, but I want to know more about the details of what he wants to do.

His party is economically liberal, so he is not my guy. I`ll prefer The Kulanu

[Darussalam]

You’re such a lovely person. /sarc

They lost the right to any such land at the crucifixion. The Jewish attacks on Palestine should be treated the same as any other example of white people ethnically cleansing brown natives.

So they should get to keep the land? Forcibly expelling whites from places where they formerly ruled seem to end badly for non-whites in those places, funnily enough.

I agree that crucifixion was perhaps their worst mistake, it birthed a false god that loomed over the world until this very day.