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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 02, 2019 1:28 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The Alabama Constitution is the longest governing document in the world. Many amendments deal with local matters as Alabama counties have very little self governing power.

Why they dont have a constitutional convention to rewrite the constitution is beyond me.


Too many Conservative groups are opposed to it because it would mean streamlining and potentially raising taxation.

What;'s wrong with streamlining it?

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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 02, 2019 1:31 pm

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Too many Conservative groups are opposed to it because it would mean streamlining and potentially raising taxation.

What;'s wrong with streamlining it?


What's wrong with raising taxes, which it ultimately boils down to, to a conservative? Well, let's see....
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Postby Telconi » Thu May 02, 2019 1:32 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What;'s wrong with streamlining it?


What's wrong with raising taxes, which it ultimately boils down to, to a conservative? Well, let's see....


Taking money from folks is bad friendo.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 02, 2019 1:39 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:What;'s wrong with streamlining it?


What's wrong with raising taxes, which it ultimately boils down to, to a conservative? Well, let's see....

How would rewriting the constitution and restructuring state government raise taxes?

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Postby Shrillland » Thu May 02, 2019 1:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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What's wrong with raising taxes, which it ultimately boils down to, to a conservative? Well, let's see....

How would rewriting the constitution and restructuring state government raise taxes?


Because by letting the counties have actual authority over such things, they would have the right to raise property taxes. Also, the current constitutional limits on how high things such as income taxes can be would be superseded by the new constitution and whatever limits or lack thereof would be imposed.
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Postby Kowani » Thu May 02, 2019 3:44 pm

Telconi wrote:
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What's wrong with raising taxes, which it ultimately boils down to, to a conservative? Well, let's see....


Taking money from folks is bad friendo.

Nah.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu May 02, 2019 4:00 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Taking money from folks is bad friendo.

Nah.

Keep in mind this is someone who said the peaceful transfer of power shouldnt be respected because they disagree with the outcome of an election

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Postby Kowani » Thu May 02, 2019 4:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:Nah.

Keep in mind this is someone who said the peaceful transfer of power shouldnt be respected because they disagree with the outcome of an election

Citation needed.
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Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Telconi » Thu May 02, 2019 4:06 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Taking money from folks is bad friendo.

Nah.


In that case, I'd like all of your money please.
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Postby Kowani » Thu May 02, 2019 4:29 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Nah.


In that case, I'd like all of your money please.

For what purpose?
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Postby Telconi » Thu May 02, 2019 4:31 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
In that case, I'd like all of your money please.

For what purpose?


Buying cool stuff.
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Postby Kowani » Thu May 02, 2019 4:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:For what purpose?


Buying cool stuff.

Such as?
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Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 02, 2019 5:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Because, technically speaking, it requires amending the state's Local Governments Code, and the Texas Constitution has very strict requirements on what the legislature can do to that code. This amendment would let the legislature authorize cities and counties to let animals go to their handlers. Texas has one of the largest constitutions among the states, only the infamous Alabama Constitution and Micromanaging Clusterfuck is larger.

The Alabama Constitution is the longest governing document in the world. Many amendments deal with local matters as Alabama counties have very little self governing power.

Why they dont have a constitutional convention to rewrite the constitution is beyond me.

Compare them to Georgia, who’s constitution is only roughly 30,000 words and is second only to Louisiana for the most state constitutions.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 03, 2019 1:15 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The Alabama Constitution is the longest governing document in the world. Many amendments deal with local matters as Alabama counties have very little self governing power.

Why they dont have a constitutional convention to rewrite the constitution is beyond me.

Compare them to Georgia, who’s constitution is only roughly 30,000 words and is second only to Louisiana for the most state constitutions.

Interesting. The reason the Alabama one is so long is because county governments have very little power and need to petition Montgomery to do the most mundane things that is almost any other state they would simply enact them.
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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 03, 2019 1:40 pm

Another initiative to the Plaza from Colorado.

Colorado: This second proposal will legalise sports betting and impose a 10% tax on all net proceeds. This'll definitely pass.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri May 03, 2019 1:47 pm

Shrillland wrote:Another initiative to the Plaza from Colorado.

Colorado: This second proposal will legalise sports betting and impose a 10% tax on all net proceeds. This'll definitely pass.

Why are you so certain?

Im bummed that New York will have nothing for the Plaza this year. We might for 2020 though

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Postby Shrillland » Fri May 03, 2019 1:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:Another initiative to the Plaza from Colorado.

Colorado: This second proposal will legalise sports betting and impose a 10% tax on all net proceeds. This'll definitely pass.

Why are you so certain?

Im bummed that New York will have nothing for the Plaza this year. We might for 2020 though


It just seems like something that would pass...at the moment, I am guessing more than I should.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat May 04, 2019 9:11 pm

In the Dallas and San Antonio mayoral elections no one reached 50 percent therefore a runoff will be held on June 8th. Texas municipal elections are by law nonpartisan.

In Dallas, State Senator Eric Johnson and City Council member Scott Griggs will compete in the runoff. Both candidates are registered democrats.

In San Antonio, incumbent Ron Nirenburg will go to a runoff with City Council Member Greg Brockhouse. The incumbent mayor is a independent but is the de facto Democrat as he has lead a very progressive administration. Councimember Brockhouse is a registered Republican.

Interestingly the Dallas Mayorship is a largely ceremonial position as Dallas uses the council manager system of government. in this system the day to day things a mayor would do is handled by an appointed city manger. Dallas is one of the largest cities in the US to use this system of government.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sat May 04, 2019 10:26 pm

Telconi wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
What's wrong with raising taxes, which it ultimately boils down to, to a conservative? Well, let's see....


Taking money from folks is bad friendo.



Having bad infrastructure, education and environment is worse friendo.
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Postby Gormwood » Sat May 04, 2019 10:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.greeleytribune.com/news/colorado-secretary-of-state-approves-petitions-paving-way-for-signature-gathering-in-galindo-recall-effort/

The Colorado Secretary of State approved the recall petitions for state Senator Rochelle Galindo. The new GOP party chairman says he plans to use them frequently which comes off as nothing more than a sore loser tactic. They can’t win at general elections and therefore want to exploit the system. Recalls should be outlawed in my view

A recall was effectively banned in the 2000 election and look how that turned out.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun May 05, 2019 4:45 pm

Gormwood wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://www.greeleytribune.com/news/colorado-secretary-of-state-approves-petitions-paving-way-for-signature-gathering-in-galindo-recall-effort/

The Colorado Secretary of State approved the recall petitions for state Senator Rochelle Galindo. The new GOP party chairman says he plans to use them frequently which comes off as nothing more than a sore loser tactic. They can’t win at general elections and therefore want to exploit the system. Recalls should be outlawed in my view

A recall was effectively banned in the 2000 election and look how that turned out.

I dont see the relevance here nor do I understand your post.

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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 07, 2019 7:06 pm

Well, the major races have been called. First, the Democrats hold Bridgeport Central in the Connecticut House.

In Denver, both ballot initiatives fell, IO 300(urban camping) was overwhelmingly shot down with 84% voting no while IO 301(decriminalise magic mushrooms) was much narrower, being rejected at about a 55-45 margin against. No Overall Majority in the Mayoral race, so Micheal Hancock and Jamie Giellis will be going to a June 4 runoff.

In Indianapolis, incumbent Mayor Joe Hogsett for the Democrats and State Senator Jim Merritt for the Republicans both won their respective primaries as expected and will go on to November.

And that's the major ones for this week, here's my take on next week.

US House: The NC-9(Charlotte-Fayetteville) byprimary is next week after the November election was nullified due to allegations of absentee voter fraud on the part of the GOP Candidate Mark Harris. Harris isn't running in this primary, and the most likely Republican winner is State Senator Dan Bishop. Bishop has the Club for Growth and the NC Values Coalition backing him. In second place is Union County Commissioner Stony Rushing, 14 points behind Bishop, and in third at only 9% is former Mecklenburg County Commissioner Matthew Ridenhour, who has the backing of Rand Paul and the last Congressman in this seat, Robert Pittenger. Anyway, Bishop, at 31% in the polls has a semi-decent chance of avoiding a runoff. On the Democratic side is Dan McCready, who ran against Harris last year. He's already fighting for the close general election and burnishing his credentials as a Blue Dog, even going so far as to return a $2,000 donation sent to him by Congresswoman Ilhan Omar back in April. I can't say how the general will go as of yet.

And....that's actually it for next week.
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Postby Telconi » Tue May 07, 2019 7:18 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Taking money from folks is bad friendo.



Having bad infrastructure, education and environment is worse friendo.


Debatable.
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Postby Shrillland » Tue May 07, 2019 7:21 pm

Telconi wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Having bad infrastructure, education and environment is worse friendo.


Debatable.


Well, good education means more opportunity for your kids, Tel. And that means a better future for them. But we need to make sure the schools are properly funded to make sure that they get that good education, unless, of course, you choose to go the private way.
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Postby Telconi » Tue May 07, 2019 7:28 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Debatable.


Well, good education means more opportunity for your kids, Tel. And that means a better future for them. But we need to make sure the schools are properly funded to make sure that they get that good education, unless, of course, you choose to go the private way.


I live in California, the state's idea of "good education" is probably not anything I want my child exposed to.
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